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Am I missing the point?

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Convicto · 19/06/2012 20:42

Mumsnet,

Maybe, I am a too serious. Maybe, I taking this the wrong way around.
I`m thinking, I would need new insight in this.

So, I write to you. If you have not noticed yet, I am a guy, I am 22 years old and a bit uncertain about the path that he`s taken. I know that this is a place for woman and that men will easily be shown the door. However, I believe we will hopefully share some convictions.

From a young age, growing up in my culture (the Netherlands), we men are thought, that; Education means money, with money you will have a good life; A good life with involve a house, a car and have a woman and kids. At least, if you want to be one of the "good guys". A good guy will be reserved in his choices to woman, he will keep his distance and respect her, he will not approach her unless otherwise invited (trough signals or what not).

However, me, thinking about life and... what is the purpose; have concluded, that my purpose, if any, should be to have children, a wife and be the as best prepared for this as I can be. I know I wont be the "best dad ever" but I can try the best I can. This comes, mostly, with responsibility, in my humble opinion.

So, I tailor my life to be, responsible. Which is were I am really in doubt if it is still " the right way ". Me thinking; that should I show, any deeper affection for a girl, I should be prepared, in full for what might happen (you know what). As such I am very serious, when it comes to dating.
Yes, I kid around and try to be as charming I think I should be. However I show no illusions about what could come and thus set my standards quite high, I wouldn't want to stand by someone I could not really love. (however, I will, that's the point).
So I am septic, so I avoid girl that I would consider irresponsible.
I know what comes from this, for I am like my dad. He has told me that he was too serious. He found my mother at the age of 40, she was 42.

My mother, who is a great vassal of wisdom in everything that she does, says to me. You should not wait too long, for you will have a woman who already has had... a child. She is the mother of 4, 2 which are from my father, including me.

Now, even though "love conquers all" and I would be prepared to make sacrifices and look the other way, I want my children to be of my blood. The thought of being "2nd chance", makes me feel degraded. So, I should heed my mothers advice and do something about it.

I have no idea what, though. The only thing that this "plan" has never seemed to get is where to find the girl to fit the picture. No, she is not just a "part of the plan", I want a girl who I can admire and who admires me. Whom I can talk with and share. I have no idea where to find her though.

Woman I met, are not like this at all. They drink, they smoke, they have sex with random guys, they dress in 3-4 layers of make-up so you never really know who they are. These are not the girls I am looking for.

Some.. "candidates" do walk by "metaphorically" speaking. However I find that I am doing something seriously wrong to "scare them off".
Its not like I'm saying "I like you, wanna have a happy life together?". But my educate has thought me, once you are interest yourself in a girl. You ... "show interest", you listen, you talk, you write poems, you are a gentleman. And without saying why or.. anything, they will suddenly be gone. And I'm here thinking.
Wait! what?, I'm doing everything right, Right? I am this... gentleman, this chivalrousness knight, who comes bravely on his horse (I can actually ride one) to safe the lady and have the "happy ever after". And she... runs the other way? The book never mentioned that.

So, what is this, am I living in a fairy tale? Is chivalry truly dead? Do I have the wrong idea what "good men" are suppose to be? Am I totally going the wrong way here and should I just "give up" this sense of "responsibility" for sake of not having anyone at all?

Your thoughts?

OP posts:
henrysmama2012 · 20/06/2012 06:35

Seriously, when you ask girls about their hobbies they say 'going out drinking'?! Are you meeting all these girls in a bar?? I'd suggest getting to know girls as friends first then something will naturally develop on a deeper level.

MaleLurker · 20/06/2012 10:11

You are not Lancelot and you won't find Guinevere.

Women are just like men, with both good and bad sides. They even poo sometimes, dress sexy and like flirting.

Find someone that makes you laugh and smile, and then just enjoy your time with them. If you do respect her, don't put her on a pedestal, just do your best to make her smile by finding out what she likes.

PS: Chivalry isn't dead, but remember that dangerously chivalrous is in demand, boringly chivalrous isn't.

SpottedGurnard · 20/06/2012 13:32

Sorry to anyone who thinks my posts were a bit harsh.OPs writing style is exactly the same as the guy who stalked me and got my back up .Believe me, it's not nice to have to tell your family "If I disappear please check his house first".

Sorry for any offence.

AKissIsNotAContract · 20/06/2012 14:07

When I was 22, if someone had asked me about my hobby it would have been clubbing. It doesn't make me shallow, people just change as they get older. If you really want to settle down at 22 it will be harder to find someone who wants the same thing as you, because it is so young. Maybe look for an older woman.

DuelingFanjo · 20/06/2012 14:21

You know what? I was very old (older than you) when I settled down. 12 years later I settled down and married a completely different person and had a baby (our first), I was in my mid to late 30s and my now husband does not have any children. Perhaps because you are just 22 you are meeting other 22 year olds who like to party a bit too hard. Maybe stop looking for people on that scene? Or maybe just have fun (This doesn't have to mean shagging everything) and wait until you are older to meet someone. Perhaps at about 30 women of your age will have calmed down a bit and will be looking for someone to be a father and a husband.

ProfCoxWouldGetIt · 20/06/2012 14:40

The one bit of advice I was given at your age, was be yourself, don't try to be anyone else. DO the things that you enjoy, hobbies, out door persuits etc and you'll bump into someone who has the same interests.

Be a friend first and a lover second, coming across too strong, poems, declarations of undying love will scare people off - especially at your age, you sound like you have a mature view on life, but at 22 now is your time to live and make mistakes and learn from them.

Maybe it's a Dutch thing (I was brought up with a strong dutch influence) but I was very serious far too young, I had my life planned out but struggled as you seem to. Take a step back and enjoy life, love yourself and when you least expect it the right person will pop up in your life.

lazarusb · 20/06/2012 18:10

I wouldn't have been my dh's (and definitely not my MIL's Grin) idea of an ideal girlfriend. I was older than him, had a child, was flirty and lacking in self-esteem. But we clicked, instantly, and have been happy together ever since. He was unlike any man I'd ever been interested in before too.

Put your checklist away and take life as it comes, enjoy yourself. You may find someone special who doesn't tick all your boxes but she will be wonderful anyway.

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