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How do I change myself to make friends?

67 replies

CarpeJugulum · 02/06/2012 13:32

I was going to post a huge long post with reasons, but it was taking too long. So in a nutshell, I stink at making friends.

I never get invitations (despite issuing them!) for my DS to play with other DC's and I get ignored and talked over at playgroups - with other mums walking away from me mid conversation.

I know that similar aged DC does not mean immediate friendship, but I'd like to at least make superficial acquaintances so DS does not get left out.

As a small bit of background, I am an only child and was badly bullied - so my confidence is zero at best.

How can I change things so I am friendly, approachable and people want to talk to me?

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SkinnyVanillaLatte · 04/06/2012 09:02

I agree with those who said that getting involved or volunteering is the best way.
I find myself,although quite confident in myself normally,incredibly shy,both in initiating and continuing conversation.

It needn't be formal (difficult I know with 2 to watch also),but just helping with chairs,mopping up spills,or whatever.It helps give me a level on which I find it easier to engage with others.It also helps you become more of a part of things,and raises your profile with others.

hidingbeneathanamechange · 04/06/2012 09:11

I am shy too, and not exactly brimming with self confidence, but I have learnt how to make friends through putting on a bit of a front.

If someone asks you what your weekend plans are, and you haven't anything special planned - don't make something up, you'll fall over yourself and look stupid when they ask further questions, or even worse ask you how it went a while later and you've completely forgotten your 'lie' so have no clue what they are on about.

Me, I'd just laugh and say 'oh you know, the usual. Catching up on sleep probably, dcs are exhausting at this age aren't they' ' how about you?' Obviously not that precise script, but something light hearted and then draw them in by turning the conversation around to them.

Everyone likes someone who looks happy, and not perfect. Perfect people are intimidating, closed in shy people are awkward to be around, but people who look happy, and open are attractive.

Good luck, and remember you are just as good as anyone else, and if they are up their own, fk 'em Grin

sleeplessinsuburbia · 04/06/2012 09:23

Just one thing, if they ask what you have planned, if you say you don't know and ask what they're doing they might think you're trying to get an invite/ hang out with them. It takes me a while to warm to people that much and I'd avoid someone I thought was desperate (sounds really mean I know) but after awhile it would be natural to say you're going to x park if they want to go too??

sleeplessinsuburbia · 04/06/2012 09:26

Ooh and btw, your interests are right up my alley so you sound cool to me (but I'm in a different country ).

JollyGoodFun · 04/06/2012 09:35

Carpe, I am in NE Scotland. I live in Aberdeenshire and am quite often in the city. We have not been out for a meal just the two of us since before DS was born (he's 13months). If you're not too far away then we could meet up? If you're not up for that then NCT has quite a lot on in Aberdeen and I'm told can be good.

Our local toddlers group is not approachable at all. Was at a soft play yesterday just DS and I and there were 3 families from the local toddler group there. We have been about 4 times. Not one of them said hello although 2 (of the 3) did smile when I smiled and said hello.

twirlyagogo · 04/06/2012 09:48

JollyGoodFun - have just messaged OP too as I'm also NE Scotland.

Thought I was the only one - I've definitely struggled since moving here, but am now feeling, as time goes on, that it isn't entirely my fault.

JollyGoodFun · 04/06/2012 09:51

I would be so amused if we all live in the same place and have encountered the same cliques!

twirlyagogo · 04/06/2012 09:52

Maybe we're talking about each other Grin!

Enragia · 04/06/2012 09:54

can we stop saying @Mummy friends@ though?

Mumsyblouse · 04/06/2012 10:07

Your son sounds entirely normal at this age, indeed quite sociable. Some children are really shy, but it's become common to think children should be outgoing, when in fact this differs between different children.

I have never made a friend at toddler group, I think something about them encourages superficial interactions and all you really have in common is the children's age. I reckon if you get out there, perhaps volunteer somewhere, or even run one of the groups, or join a club, ask a mum you see in a playcentre for a coffee, you'll find likeminded people.

Zorra · 04/06/2012 10:23

YY to finding a different group. I've always made friends easily, but I used to take DS to WaterBabies and the women there were total alphamummies. They all talked about restaurants / salons / planning their next holiday, and I had nothing to talk to them about. After about a month I decided that I didn't care, and would greet them most politely but never bothered trying to talk to them again as there was really no connection. I met lots of lovely people at other events, drop-ins and children's centre, and made probably five really good friends which is plenty!

cheeseandpineapple · 04/06/2012 10:57

Carpe, your posts have made me laugh, not at you but with you. You have a way with words.

That place you went to for lunch sounds good, could you organise a lunch with a few of the other mums and their kids to go there one day?

Or do something at home, invite someone over for tea and be open with them, the way you have been on this thread. I've noticed that much like on MN, in RL, people are always willing to hear you out and be sympathetic if you have an issue. My son had major separation issues, like you I couldn't go to the loo without him stressing big time even if I was at home or he was at a play centre he'd been going to every week for weeks on end.

But I found that if I spoke to the other mums about it and say I was struggling with it a bit, they were really sympathetic and supportive.

People like to impart their pearls of wisdom and feel wanted or needed.

Don't mean turn into the local whinging whiner but maybe open up a bit more, it sounds like you might be more reserved than you mean to be. Sometimes that can come across as aloof, unfriendly or possibly even arrogant which you sound far from.

If people walk off mid sentence, they are not the people to be befriending.

Talk to the person you think is most likely to be sympathetic. You could start off by saying, don't know if you've noticed, but my ds is quite clingy and insecure if I leave the room. I'm trying to help him overcome it, your child seems confident, what do you do at home if you have to go to the loo or something, I'm really struggling with it etc etc.

It's not necessarily that you're looking for advice but it's a way to open things up and get more in depth conversations going.

Or start off by saying, I need to pick someone's brains, and then ask whatever it is you want to ask -people are very receptive usually if you have something specific to say/ask.

If small chat doesn't come easily to you, wouldn't suggest you try faking it but try and move the subject to a topic you can talk about comfortably.

How about forming a book club if you can't go out in the evenings but assuming some of the people near you can get out and leave dh/dp with the children? You could ask for some book recommendations and gauge who likes reading and then sound people out on whether they'd be interested in a book club or a film club, organise a night out when you could go to the cinema and your dh look after your ds.

I'm an organiser and a doer, I know it's not something that comes naturally to everyone but maybe get the ball rolling a bit yourself if you can, no guarantee that people will reciprocate but you never know. You mentioned that people haven't returned playdates, that's a shame and quite rude. Again people to avoid if it's a regular thing but if you genuinely like the person or your son likes their child, wouldn't give up on organising playdates, if you repeat an invite, people usually twig and say oh hang on, it's my turn to host etc.

When you have a clingy child, it can be incredibly draining. Hope you can get some time to yourself to do other things, when your dh can help out with your ds otherwise you really do lose sight of who you are too.

You mentioned you like baking -maybe ask people for some recipes and say you want to try something new out and ask if they want to come over and try it out with you, but choose the people you genuinely like and want to develop a friendship.

You sound like you would make a lovely friend. Be selective and discerning, you don't sound like you're desperate or need to be, it can be lonely working from home and looking after children but doesn't mean you want to be friends with anyone or everyone!

Decide who you like and if people from the playgroup aren't on your wavelength, agree you need to consider other activities until you find people who are on your wavelength and have your sense of humour!

Cripes, another bloody long post -sorry! It's a quiet work day today as the UK's closed!

CarpeJugulum · 04/06/2012 11:53

Glad I've made someone laugh in a good way Smile

I think I will try a few different groups after the summer holidays. Quite a few groups are term subs, and now DS is older and his naps can be pushed about a bit more (no longer rigidly from x to y) then I can try some other sessions.

I do have a bit of an issue in that I should be working in the morning, but if things are scheduled, then I can work round stuff IYSWIM.

I suspect that I am maybe expecting too much from these groups and should maybe take a step back from people; rather than trying to make friends I should make acquaintances that I can chat with then go our separate ways.

I guess I'm also a bit rigid about trying to keep weekends as family time due to DH's working hours which means that he sees DS for only about 1-1.5hours per day during the week. Obviously he sees me for longer, but I'm also trying to become more healthy (in preparation for the school gates-- Wink so do want to go out of an evening to swim for a bit etc.
If I'm honest, I have turned down invitations because I want DH to have the time with DS - maybe I need to chat with DH about that; I'd probably find he'd welcome peace every now and then!

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CarpeJugulum · 06/06/2012 19:01

Quick update:

Texted another mum and tried to arrange a playdate but left it up to her to pick dates/times - sort of "do you fancy a get together in the next week or so - anytime is good for us coz of the Jubilee, and it'd be nice to have a chat and coffee while the DC played"

She replied, and we ended up going round there this afternoon for a couple of hours (made sure I didn't overstay my welcome!). Was really nice and the DC seemed to "play" nicely together and my DS didn't cause that much chaos! She's talked about getting together next week too!

Conversation was a bit stilted at first - sort of testing it out thing, but I complemented something of hers and asked a leading question and it seemed to break the ice a bit.

Maybe there is hope for me yet!

Back to the toddlers group that caused me grief tomorrow - but I'm hoping to go down a bit early and see if I can help with the setup to try to engage people in chat.

Wish me luck!

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alana39 · 06/06/2012 19:33

That sounds great Carpe. Hopefully now you've got the ball rolling you'll feel a bit more confident tomorrow and it will start to feel a bit less like hard workSmile

exexe · 07/06/2012 08:59

:-) Really pleased for you and good luck!

JosieZ · 07/06/2012 19:00

What alot of helpful suggestions there are here.
My problem with friend-making was that I just wasnt' being myself. I felt I should be an intelligent, articulate, active individual with interesting views on a myriad of subjects. When in fact I was an ordinary spud who liked listening to Radio4.
And when I stopped being the intelligent, articulate person and was just a spud who actually listened to what other people were saying to me, instead of thinking desperately of what riveting response I was going to make to their comment, I got on much better.

So try to take the attention away from yourself and put it onto the other person. If your attention is on yourself you are horribly aware of whether or not someone responds to you and whether they 'walk away in mid sentence'.
If your attention is on them you might think 'she's suddenly remembered something she has to do' or 'she heard her phone ring,' rather than that she is walking away and being rude to you, and you then turn to the person on the other side and chat about something else.

You feel you should be a socialite who knows about the local clubs and restaurants whereas if you just said to someone 'did you see X factor last night' you will get plenty of response, even if it is 'I don't watch that crap'. But at least you are being honest and not pretending to be something you're not.

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