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I confronted my rapist (warning tmi)

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Bobits · 28/05/2012 23:21

In 2009 I had started dating my partner.
About 2 weeks later, I was at a party at his house.
I had far too much to drink and passed out.
He had sex with me while I was unconscious.

After I woke up I asked him and he admited we'd had sex and he'd used a condom I was confused and still under the influence.
Afterwards I had to ask was it 'rape' or 'exploitation' i.e. exploitation of a vulnerable situation.
This question is an illusion of course. It 'minimises' intent on my partners behalf and subsequently placed more 'blame' on myself.
Why did I do this - I think because for me it made what had happened more safe. It made me feel that I had more control and that I could prevent it happening in the future.

The reality is that I never had control. when I passed out I gave away my choices and control. A huge mistake and error of judgement on my part.
My then partner was in the position of having complete control and choice.
He made the decision to rape me.

Although I know this now, at the time I believed that he had 'exploited a vulnerable decision' in order to feel more safe.
Sadly I stayed with him and seperated in Oct 2011.
At this stage I had a dd2 with him.

I made the decision to confront him.
I asked him what happened.
He told me other events of the night and I had to push him until he admitted 'he tried to have sex with me'.
I corrected him, in that he had said we'd had sex and used a condom.
I asked him why he had sex with me when I was unconscious.
He alledged he didn't know I was full passed out.
I corrected him by reminding him I couldn't move, speak or open my eyes indicating unconsciousness.
He alledged that we had had sex before that night.
I corrected him and sais that didn't give him the right to have sex with me when I was unconscious.

He finally admited he did it because he was angry.
Because he was angry at the situation.
Because I had made a fool of him for getting drunk.

I compared what he'd done to necrophilia - the only difference being the temperature.
I also highlighted that he had a porn addiction and is a rapist and that all paedopliles start somewhere.

I confronted him a second time.
I asked if he'd had too muck to drink and passed out,
If because he was ugly and thet he made a fool of me when we went out - that I robbed him how he would feel?
He said he would feel disgusted.
I suggested what if I had gone futher?
I told him after being with me officially for 2 weeks, he had no right to punish me by raping me for making a fool of him.
That he had no right to use my vulnerability to make him feel better about his own inadequacy.
I suggested a strong, confident, assertive man would have put a blanket over me and had words the next day.
I told him I would always be his first and mother of his child.
I told him to me he will always be a rapist.
I told him he had made a fool of himself.
He got it.

These confrontations have made no practical difference.
As he had always known what he had done, he just thought he had got away with it. He has, as I never reported and now there is zero chance of conviction.
It has made a difference to me as I have reminded him that I know exactly what he did and who he is.

I would appreciate that due to the sensitivity of my post, anyone who reads and replies be gentle xx

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AnyFucker · 31/05/2012 18:19

thanks, Rebecca

mathanxiety · 06/06/2012 15:01

Bobits, I am amazed at your strength and I would like to second the comment from upthread that you could seriously think about becoming a counsellor or an advocate for victims of this sort of violence. There is such a clear moral force to your words here. And wisdom.

mathanxiety · 06/06/2012 15:14

'She says herself that she was looking for ways to blame herself and for ways to convince herself she could prevent it in future. It is extremely common for rape victims to find ways in which they were responsible for being raped. It is one of the worst, longest lasting effects of being raped, that constant merry go round of trying to find a way in which you had some control over what happened.'

I agree Cailin. I don't think you can grow until you accept the horror, and taking partial responsibility is fighting the black and whiteness of it, fending off the truth that you were absolutely worthless in the eyes of another human being for the length of time it took for him to commit his crime. In order to grow you have to look at what happened from the point of view of the rapist, to see yourself as the rapist saw you, and as Bobits said, you have to accept that there was intent there and that he saw you as a collection of suitable orifices and nothing more.

This is a crime of intention that has a mindset accompanying it, and it is very often a crime of habit - much more often than anyone really wants to believe.

MashedPoetaytoe · 06/06/2012 16:04

Well said Math.

Offred · 06/06/2012 20:55

See I feel like I maybe need to do this, go over it and analyse it like this. Wobbling today, all over the place, have found the simplest things hard.

MashedPoetaytoe · 06/06/2012 21:09

You ok Offred? I was hrhdirona.

Offred · 06/06/2012 21:11

Just really not, feel in the mire. All mixed up, on the edge, want to run away.

Offred · 06/06/2012 21:13

Feel attention seeky... Not a word anyway... Thought we needed a support thread but didn't want to start one after the drinking thread and attract the apologists.

Offred · 06/06/2012 21:14

*but anyway...

MashedPoetaytoe · 06/06/2012 21:43

I'm on a survivor of childhood sexual abuse but most have also been raped as adults if you need a safe place now, there's some lovely women there. Wobblys are normal.

MashedPoetaytoe · 06/06/2012 21:51

safe place

Bobits · 07/06/2012 00:30

Offred - so sorry you are struggling at the moment :(
With the difficulties you face regarding the fact you have dc's with your ex makes dealing with what has happened.
Like mashed said - there are people there to offer support and guidance and a way to find peace for yourself. All you have to do is reach out. We have all been there, in that dark place - there is hope, as a victim of sexual assault - it doesn't make you the woman you are - you had no choice in the matter. The only choice to take is how you percieve it. Best wishes xx

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Offred · 07/06/2012 00:35

Thanks bobits. Do just feel a bit overwhelmed right now although I have arranged to talk I through with my counsellor friend soon. I feel exhausted, not looking forward to DH being away tomorrow. This is literally probably the most freaked out I have ever been about it but I am calming down.

Bobits · 07/06/2012 01:03

The step from denial to realisation was the hardest for me.
In that period of time I felt most vulnerable - in that the truth of what happened hit me and I felt very unsafe and at risk.
This is also a time to gain control of the situation now - at a time when the danger is over.
There are so many emotions to work through - Feelings for me were of being violated, of being robbed - that something had been taken that my rapist had no right to do. I felt very angry.
But sex is just sex. What he did doesn't reflect on you - It says more about him. I wish you luck with speaking to your councellor xx

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booklova09 · 07/12/2012 03:10

I have been raped repeatedly throughout my 21 years of life, by immediate and extended family members (father, cousins, aunts, uncles, grandmothers), college friends, neighbors, and complete strangers. First rape occurred at 13 months old by my biological father( who was also a rape victim) and unfortunately I can remember it like it was yesterday. I blocked out a lot of what happened for years, but I'm finally come to grips with the fact that none of the rapes were my fault in the least.

Recently, I've been having this urge to confront one of my rapists from high school. He was my favorite teacher and I had a huge crush on him. My class would study for the AP exams on the weekends sometimes in his classroom. He went to get food for our class during our break and within 2 hours of eating what he brought for me I was exhausted. I couldn't keep my eyes open to finish the last few problems for the pre-test. By this time, all of my other classmates had left early to go to work and to other obligations. He left the room to pop some popcorn and when he came back I was sleeping on yhe countertop. He places the popcorn in front of me and continues to chit chat..trying to determine when and if I was fully inebriated. I couldn't open y eyes, but I could hear him clearly. He left a second time and when he returned, he led me to the side room to have his way with me for the next few hours....After he was done, he rushed out of the school parking...he couldn't face my mom smh.

After that incident, I seriously thought that it was my fault and that I had led him on because I did have a crush on him. I now know that I was never responsible. I went to visit him today in the classroom that that took place in and he made sure there was always someone present so that we couldn't talk about the private details...I brought up another incident where he raped me away from school and he denied that he even went to the same event as me.

He says he has a terrible memory, but he is still a teacher and I think he thinks I'm going to tell the principal on him. I'm quite close with the principal, he would believe my story. I don't want to get him in trouble, if I was the only victim, but if there are more then f* him, I'm telling. I want to confront him again without anyone present and hopefully, I get the response that I was looking for, remorse. I want to know, WHYYYY? Like he was my favorite teacher and all, so how could you take advantage me? I'm going to wake up and see him before his morning class...wish me luck

P.s. i apologize for any grammatical errors...I just had to get it all out as quickly as possibly.

Hearing all the stories from you all helps me alot. I got pregnant from one of my rapist with my first born son and I had to abort him a month ago, because I wasn't sure whether he was fathered by a stranger, a relative, or by a neighbor. The hardest decision I've ever had to make...;{...

With much love to all the women who can relate!

BreakOutTheTinselSantasAComing · 07/12/2012 07:19

Book, I'm so sorry all that has happened to you. Just wanted to let you know that it doesn't matter, if he has done it to any other students, YOU are important enough to warrant a punishment. If you feel strong enough to report him to the principal, then do it- that terrible man will not feel remorse for what he did, the fact that he raped you more than once, and drugged you so that he could speaks volumes.

YOU are important, Booklova, I hope you believe that.

HisstletoeAndWhine · 07/12/2012 19:51

Booklova, you have to get away from these abusers. Please let professionals help you, please call Rape Crisis and ask for help and guidance.

You do matter and you are worth so much more than this.

You are so young and have a whole life ahead of you, you can leave all of this dreadful stuff behind.

Please keep posting, please ask for help, we will be with you and here for you for whatever you need. You're 'home' now. We'll not let you down ((((HUG))))

izzyizin · 07/12/2012 20:19

Whereabout are you, Book? Are you in the USA or Canada?

BadLad · 08/12/2012 02:29

"I am also learning, sadly, that even with a normal healthy upbringing and value system - girls and women are given much blame that is not theirs at 'society's' level.

People ask why she stayed in an abusive relationship.
People aks why she didn't leave."

I'll bite. I think it's ignorance and lack of information mostly - I am not sure most people set out to blame the victim. I certainly used to wonder about these two questions when I read about people in abusive relationships. It's hard trying to remember how I thought at the time, but I think it is very hard to empathise and think of everything that the abuser is doing if the situation is very far removed from one's own.

I used to wonder why on earth a woman whose husband was beating her up wouldn't just take the kids and leave him.

Now I am more aware of such issues as financial abuse and that way of doing something subtly over a period of time so the abused partner begins to see it as the norm (can't remember what it is called), and I realise that these relationships are infinitely more complex than I imagined. Hopefully, with this being the information age, there will be more and more widespread discussion.

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