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I confronted my rapist (warning tmi)

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Bobits · 28/05/2012 23:21

In 2009 I had started dating my partner.
About 2 weeks later, I was at a party at his house.
I had far too much to drink and passed out.
He had sex with me while I was unconscious.

After I woke up I asked him and he admited we'd had sex and he'd used a condom I was confused and still under the influence.
Afterwards I had to ask was it 'rape' or 'exploitation' i.e. exploitation of a vulnerable situation.
This question is an illusion of course. It 'minimises' intent on my partners behalf and subsequently placed more 'blame' on myself.
Why did I do this - I think because for me it made what had happened more safe. It made me feel that I had more control and that I could prevent it happening in the future.

The reality is that I never had control. when I passed out I gave away my choices and control. A huge mistake and error of judgement on my part.
My then partner was in the position of having complete control and choice.
He made the decision to rape me.

Although I know this now, at the time I believed that he had 'exploited a vulnerable decision' in order to feel more safe.
Sadly I stayed with him and seperated in Oct 2011.
At this stage I had a dd2 with him.

I made the decision to confront him.
I asked him what happened.
He told me other events of the night and I had to push him until he admitted 'he tried to have sex with me'.
I corrected him, in that he had said we'd had sex and used a condom.
I asked him why he had sex with me when I was unconscious.
He alledged he didn't know I was full passed out.
I corrected him by reminding him I couldn't move, speak or open my eyes indicating unconsciousness.
He alledged that we had had sex before that night.
I corrected him and sais that didn't give him the right to have sex with me when I was unconscious.

He finally admited he did it because he was angry.
Because he was angry at the situation.
Because I had made a fool of him for getting drunk.

I compared what he'd done to necrophilia - the only difference being the temperature.
I also highlighted that he had a porn addiction and is a rapist and that all paedopliles start somewhere.

I confronted him a second time.
I asked if he'd had too muck to drink and passed out,
If because he was ugly and thet he made a fool of me when we went out - that I robbed him how he would feel?
He said he would feel disgusted.
I suggested what if I had gone futher?
I told him after being with me officially for 2 weeks, he had no right to punish me by raping me for making a fool of him.
That he had no right to use my vulnerability to make him feel better about his own inadequacy.
I suggested a strong, confident, assertive man would have put a blanket over me and had words the next day.
I told him I would always be his first and mother of his child.
I told him to me he will always be a rapist.
I told him he had made a fool of himself.
He got it.

These confrontations have made no practical difference.
As he had always known what he had done, he just thought he had got away with it. He has, as I never reported and now there is zero chance of conviction.
It has made a difference to me as I have reminded him that I know exactly what he did and who he is.

I would appreciate that due to the sensitivity of my post, anyone who reads and replies be gentle xx

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 29/05/2012 16:20

oops, posted too soon

fwiw, I am not reporting your post, I am in favour of both sides of an argument being left for posterity

am having a similar conversation "Site Stuff" atm

CailinDana · 29/05/2012 16:23

I haven't reported your posts either alsteff because I do believe you are coming from a good place and that your posts are not motivated by malice. By challenging you I'm not trying to back you into a corner I'm trying to get you to see how what you say is perpetuating an idea that women are responsible for preventing rape, even though they don't commit it. That is a myth that drags so many victims down into a pit of blame and self hatred and it must be debunked.

AnyFucker · 29/05/2012 16:26

I totally agree with cailin, plase don't take this personally, alsteff

CailinDana · 29/05/2012 16:30

I did get angry earlier and was a bit more forceful than I should have been, so I'm sorry about that.

TheWomanFormerlyKnownAsSGM · 29/05/2012 16:30

Bobits - that was an incredibly brave thing you did. You are truly amazing:)

Thank you for sharing your story with us.

HereIGo · 29/05/2012 18:28

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waltermittymissus · 29/05/2012 18:34

I think you'll find that everyone has been supportive of the OP HereIGo and have commended her strength and courage!

wild · 29/05/2012 18:43

It is good to hear this op. I was raped at a party when drunk many years ago. I was a virgin and had not a clue what was going on. I remember saying no. His friend locked us in and he did it, even as it happened I couldn't believe it. Afterwards I had to go to GP for morning after pill and she was v disparaging, wrote drunk at party on my notes and told me to forget about it. Soon after I married the first man I met and he told me it wasn't rape at all. I did try to forget about it but there's no doubt it affected me for years. You are brave to say what you said op. My rapist, all I know is his name was John and the day after he went away to Italy. With his girlfriend.

AnyFucker · 29/05/2012 19:10

that is horrible wild

that bloke, his mate, that rotten GP, the man you married

wild · 29/05/2012 19:15

yes, horrible. The GP was just vile. i think the morning after pill was against her religion and she treated me like a bit of a slapper, until I told her it was my first time and then she looked all shocked and shut me up fast, she couldn't get me out fast enough.
I wish I could have been as clear sighted as the op is now, I am in my mid 40s and a lot of things are only now beginning to make sense.

waltermittymissus · 29/05/2012 19:15

Oh wild that is just disgusting. And exactly the type of thing that happens all too often. You're very brave to share your story, as are all the women posting on this thread.

AnyFucker · 29/05/2012 19:15

I am really sorry wild

wild · 29/05/2012 19:16

it was 25 years ago. I'm hoping things might have changed a bit in terms of support .. but so many still go unreported.

wild · 29/05/2012 19:17

thanks af (we've talked before, I name changed for personal stuff)

CotesduRhone · 29/05/2012 19:19

You are so brave OP to share your story, and I'm sorry for all of you for who have been in the same position.

I'm also sorry for 12-year-old me, who was sexually assaulted by a much older teenager (who would definitely have raped me had he had just a few minutes more time) in full view of people I thought were my friends, and endured three subsequent years of having "frigid bitch" shouted at me at school.

I thought that was my fault too. I really wish there had been more attention paid to rape myths back then, so I could have told my wee self that I hadn't done anything to deserve it, and that they were wrong, not me. Sad

PeahenTailFeathers · 29/05/2012 19:27

Bobits, I salute you for your bravery and dignity. Your scars will take time to heal but, because you've shown that you may be hurt but you will not be defeated, you will be all the stronger.

Best wishes to all the brave women sharing their stories on this thread.

Bobits · 29/05/2012 22:01

Thankyou for all your messages of support,
It means alot xx

Victim blaming is not an agressive act.
It is an act of defence.
If 'we' suggest fault/blame lies with the victim,
It makes our world feel a little bit 'safer'.
Again this is an 'illusion'.
It reinforces the power and control that the real perpetrator has.

My rape didn't occur because of alcohol.
It wasn't about having a penis in my vagina.

In the 14 days of being in a relationship with this man,
He had such a weak ego and sense of self esteem prior to being with me
And had invested so much in me.
As I represented something he didn't have.
A way of filling something missing in his being.
He put me on a pedestal soo high.
And I fell off (as most humans are not perfect.)
This shattered his ego and he saw it as such a personal attack
He desperately had to seek revenge.

My crime could have been to simply pick my nose in front of his friends.
Drinking too much had nothing whatsoever to do with intent.

OP posts:
Bobits · 29/05/2012 22:21

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Dirona · 29/05/2012 23:11

Bobits that has just sent a shiver of dark cold fear down my soul.

That's exactly how they think.

My best wishes to you.

No one on this thread has been vitriolic or aggressive, we are all trying to live with what has happened to us.

waltermittymissus · 30/05/2012 09:30

Oh Bobits that has given me goosebumps :(

I can't praise you enough. What a lonelt road it must have been to get to where you are.

You're so right about victim blaming and this has to change. It just has to.

waltermittymissus · 30/05/2012 09:30

*lonely

RebeccaMumsnet · 31/05/2012 11:10

Hi all,

After several reports about posts made on this thread that contain Rape Myths, we wanted to post a link to information on our We Believe You campaign

Mumsyblouse · 31/05/2012 11:19

Bobits, I think that what you did in terms of confronting your rapist is really admirable, I simply don't know how you had the courage to do it.

Of course you should be able to get very drunk, pass out on a bed and have no-one touch you. I can't believe this needs spelling out.

I think you are very very brave and I also feel, in a strange way, that your rapist has been punished by this in a very forceful way by having to confront that he did it. In some ways this may have been more punishment than going through a court system which, as you say, statistically may have found him 'not guilty'. You shattered his secret and exposed him for what he is to himself, which is a very powerful thing to do. Well done.

waltermittymissus · 31/05/2012 15:24

I'm glad to see HQ has stepped in here!

Dirona · 31/05/2012 16:43

Thankyou RebeccaMNHQ

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