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I confronted my rapist (warning tmi)

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Bobits · 28/05/2012 23:21

In 2009 I had started dating my partner.
About 2 weeks later, I was at a party at his house.
I had far too much to drink and passed out.
He had sex with me while I was unconscious.

After I woke up I asked him and he admited we'd had sex and he'd used a condom I was confused and still under the influence.
Afterwards I had to ask was it 'rape' or 'exploitation' i.e. exploitation of a vulnerable situation.
This question is an illusion of course. It 'minimises' intent on my partners behalf and subsequently placed more 'blame' on myself.
Why did I do this - I think because for me it made what had happened more safe. It made me feel that I had more control and that I could prevent it happening in the future.

The reality is that I never had control. when I passed out I gave away my choices and control. A huge mistake and error of judgement on my part.
My then partner was in the position of having complete control and choice.
He made the decision to rape me.

Although I know this now, at the time I believed that he had 'exploited a vulnerable decision' in order to feel more safe.
Sadly I stayed with him and seperated in Oct 2011.
At this stage I had a dd2 with him.

I made the decision to confront him.
I asked him what happened.
He told me other events of the night and I had to push him until he admitted 'he tried to have sex with me'.
I corrected him, in that he had said we'd had sex and used a condom.
I asked him why he had sex with me when I was unconscious.
He alledged he didn't know I was full passed out.
I corrected him by reminding him I couldn't move, speak or open my eyes indicating unconsciousness.
He alledged that we had had sex before that night.
I corrected him and sais that didn't give him the right to have sex with me when I was unconscious.

He finally admited he did it because he was angry.
Because he was angry at the situation.
Because I had made a fool of him for getting drunk.

I compared what he'd done to necrophilia - the only difference being the temperature.
I also highlighted that he had a porn addiction and is a rapist and that all paedopliles start somewhere.

I confronted him a second time.
I asked if he'd had too muck to drink and passed out,
If because he was ugly and thet he made a fool of me when we went out - that I robbed him how he would feel?
He said he would feel disgusted.
I suggested what if I had gone futher?
I told him after being with me officially for 2 weeks, he had no right to punish me by raping me for making a fool of him.
That he had no right to use my vulnerability to make him feel better about his own inadequacy.
I suggested a strong, confident, assertive man would have put a blanket over me and had words the next day.
I told him I would always be his first and mother of his child.
I told him to me he will always be a rapist.
I told him he had made a fool of himself.
He got it.

These confrontations have made no practical difference.
As he had always known what he had done, he just thought he had got away with it. He has, as I never reported and now there is zero chance of conviction.
It has made a difference to me as I have reminded him that I know exactly what he did and who he is.

I would appreciate that due to the sensitivity of my post, anyone who reads and replies be gentle xx

OP posts:
CailinDana · 29/05/2012 14:23

Alsteff you were not responsible for being raped. It makes me so sad to see that you think that way. I don't think I'm going to change you mind about that, but you have to see that coming on a thread where a person is declaring something so personal, where she asks for posters to "be gentle" and telling her she that she made a mistake and thus is partly responsible for what happened to her is way out of order?

Ok you feel responsible for your rape, and that make you feel better. But the OP doesn't need you to devalue her feelings by you telling her that she has to take some of the blame for her rape. It would be good if you could leave this thread now, please and perhaps start your own thread where you advise women on how not to get raped. That's not what this thread is about, it's about supporting a woman who has already been raped.

Heyyyho · 29/05/2012 14:24

facing up to what "facts"?

alsteff · 29/05/2012 14:35

In the OP's own opening words: "The reality is that I never had control. when I passed out I gave away my choices and control. A huge mistake and error of judgement on my part.
My then partner was in the position of having complete control and choice.
He made the decision to rape me."

I disagree, I think this is very much a part of the initial discussion. Rather, it is you who have taken this on an irrelevant and elongated tangent by "re-editing" and taking things out of context in order to vent your spleen. At no point have I been insensitive to Bobits, nor lacking in support. Anyway, she sounds like a strong woman who can speak for herself.

bejeezusWC · 29/05/2012 14:39

alstef it is common for rape victims to believe it is their fault in some way...because of our culture of victim blaming. It is the reason many rapes go unreported

Those thoughts (which are haunting) do not need re-enforcing

because they are not true

AreWeHavingFunYet · 29/05/2012 14:40

Bobits I have just re-read your OP and I am amazed by how dignified and succinct you were, not to mention brave, not once but twice.

Your rapist may be sure that there will be no conviction, but your words have given him nowhere to hide in his conscience. You can at least now be sure that he knows what he did.

CailinDana · 29/05/2012 14:43

You have taken what the OP said out of context. She also said

"After I woke up I asked him and he admited we'd had sex and he'd used a condom I was confused and still under the influence.
Afterwards I had to ask was it 'rape' or 'exploitation' i.e. exploitation of a vulnerable situation.
This question is an illusion of course. It 'minimises' intent on my partners behalf and subsequently placed more 'blame' on myself.
Why did I do this - I think because for me it made what had happened more safe. It made me feel that I had more control and that I could prevent it happening in the future."

She says herself that she was looking for ways to blame herself and for ways to convince herself she could prevent it in future. It is extremely common for rape victims to find ways in which they were responsible for being raped. It is one of the worst, longest lasting effects of being raped, that constant merry go round of trying to find a way in which you had some control over what happened. And you are helping to perpetuate that torture for the OP by saying "Yes you could have prevented it, what you did was wrong." How do you think that is helpful?

Akermanis · 29/05/2012 14:45

I'm sure it would be easy but, would you reconsider the decision not to report this to the Police? the CPS will make a decision about the chances of conviction.

Hope you are ok

Dirona · 29/05/2012 14:46

I was raped in broad daylight last october, in a park with people about 15ft away, I was stone cold sober as was he.

It was our 2nd date, we'd known each other about 2months.

HE CHOSE to rape me, there was nothing I could have done to stop it.

To anyone who has been raped please contact rape crisis.

To anyone who has been mugged please contact victim support.

No one is responsible for these crimes except the perpertrators.

kahlua4me · 29/05/2012 14:54

I was raped at a party and in some ways I Do understand what Alesteff is saying.
Yes my rapist was responsible and in no way should he have raped me, but also I should not have been so drunk that I could not protect myself.
Sometimes it is unavoidable as the perpetrator sets out to rape and nothing will stop them, but other times, like mine, could maybe have been prevented if I had more control over the situation. Even the ability to say no, or shout may have stopped it happening.
I have confronted him and he apologised in front of everyone who was at the party for his behaviour.
I am fine now and see it as something in the past but I do always watch out for me and my own safety.

waltermittymissus · 29/05/2012 14:58

alsteff I'm very sorry for what happened to you. It's horrendous. And made doubly so, I think, because you feel any sort of responsibility for what happened.

A rapist will rape no matter what the circumstances. This cannot be stressed enough to society at large. A man who is not a rapist WILL NOT HAVE SEX WITHOUT CONSENT NO MATTER HOW DRUNK THE VICTIM.

bobits you are truly brave and I believe you will in time feel better for having let this animal know that you know it is 100% HIS fault and HIS crime.

One thing though I picked up on is your reference to paedophiles. Do you think he's a danger to young children? Sorry if I read it wrong.

Dirona · 29/05/2012 15:01

I'm sorry but rapists will find any oppourtunity they can to rape. Being sober and "responsible" does not take the threat of rape away.

I was more than responsible last october, he spotted a window of oppourtunity to take what he wanted and he took it. That's what rapists do. Being drunk does not mean it was your mistake.

CailinDana · 29/05/2012 15:05

How can someone possibly take responsibility for something another person does to them? It doesn't make sense. It seems to imply that women should be able to see into the future and be able to judge in advance all the conditions that could lead to rape. It's just not possible. I could say "I wouldn't have been raped if I hadn't been asleep," what good does that do? I was asleep and I happened to be asleep next to a rapist. Should I stop sleeping in future? Should all women stop getting drunk in case they get raped? Should only men be allowed to drink? What on earth good does it do to imply that women are responsible for rape when they don't actually do any raping themselves? I just can't understand.

Plenty of people who are raped don't shout or say no. Does that mean they're responsible, even if they weren't drunk?

waltermittymissus · 29/05/2012 15:05

Maybe drinking less would have made a difference in your situations, in that you would have got away/he wouldn't have attempted it. But all that means is that maybe your rape wouldn't have happened. He would still be a rapist, he'd just be someone else's rapist. Still a monster. Still a criminal.

Rape is a CRIME. Not merely "bad behaviour". A murderer doesn't get to kill someone and then apologise and everyone gets on with it. His victim is still dead and a rapist's victim has still been raped.

rubycon · 29/05/2012 15:11

what makes you think he would get away with it if you reported it?

CailinDana · 29/05/2012 15:13

It just saddens me so much to see women who have been victims of such a horrible crime saying "I shouldn't have been drunk," "I shouldn't have gone to the party," "I should have said no." NO NO NO NO. Your RAPIST SHOULDN'T HAVE RAPED YOU. You were an ordinary person doing ordinary things, having fun, having a drink, going to a party, going for a walk whatever. A rapist saw you as a target and he chose to rape you. You did not in any way make that happen.

alsteff · 29/05/2012 15:14

I am in no doubt whatsoever who is to blame for me being raped, and that person is not me. Yet, personally, I'm going to continue to take personal responsibility and precautions to avoid making myself any more vulnerable to certain types of crime than I already am. Only by learning from the past, and taking responsibility for the mistakes / errors of judgement, I have made can I make an attempt to avoid them in the future. I will not be raped like that, in that way, again, and I can prevent that. And that's the kind of control I like and can only hope for over this kind of situation. I choose to do that.

AnyFucker · 29/05/2012 15:31

alsteff, your resolve seems strong that you will be able to prevent yourself being raped in the future

I sincerely hope that is the case, and I see it has been 9sadly) hard-won

but what you need to understand is, that if someone decides to rape you, there is no "control" you can exercise that will prevent it from happening if he is intent on it

so, I'm sorry, but deluding yourself that rape is "preventable" may work for you, but I think you shouldn't be promoting it to others because is it a false premise

AnyFucker · 29/05/2012 15:32

it is

CailinDana · 29/05/2012 15:41

To add to what AF said alsteff, I don't think your advice is helpful to the OP. No one wants to get raped. Everyone wants to be safe. Unfortunately not drinking doesn't keep you safe. Like I said, I was raped in my own bed by my boyfriend.

What could I have done to prevent that?

alsteff · 29/05/2012 16:01

yes, sadly i know that is the case which is why i was specific about 'in that way again'. If I'd not been drunk, I would have been able to prevent that one, I really believe that. And that would have been one less statistic at least.

People who are intent on many things can thrown be off their tracks - sometimes and it's worth trying.

I don't think we should promote not looking after or protecting ourselves either, and making sure that if we are going to get blind drunk for example, we should be with people we trust and who will look out for us. This is just common sense.

I am not confused about who is to blame in a rape scenario, this is not me deluding myself and absolving my rapist.

sigh......I'm really bored of being dragged up a chat cul-de-sac here. So much anger and vitriol misdirected.

CailinDana · 29/05/2012 16:06

The OP obviously trusted her rapist alsteff, otherwise she wouldn't have been in his house, drinking.

Of course it's common sense not to put yourself in dangerous situations. But unless all rapists go around with "rapist" tatooed on their forehead, how do you know who's dangerous and who's not? I'm sure after her awful experience she's very unlikely to be in that situation again. How does implying that she "made a mistake" help her? She trusted her boyfriend, and she went to a party. Normal things that people do every day. Not a mistake.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 29/05/2012 16:12

I'm not sure it's so much vitriol as sadness.

waltermittymissus · 29/05/2012 16:13

Yy Cailin. She made no mistake! She got drunk, with her boyfriend. Not a big deal!

I do see what you're saying alsteff. I just think yours is a common opinion that MUST be changed by society as a whole. It's not a woman's responsibility to take steps to lessen the chance of rape. It is a man's responsibility to not be a rapist. It really is that simple.

Akermanis · 29/05/2012 16:18

sorry I mean't to say wouldn't be easy

AnyFucker · 29/05/2012 16:19

alsteff I don't have any vitriol towards you, I am acutely sorry about what happened to you

but what you are posting is a rape myth, and if it gets reported, it would probably get deleted in accordance with the "I believe you" ethos of Mumsnet's approach to victim-blaming

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