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Am I at fault or is OH being totally unreasonable??

97 replies

Dunnowotshappened · 28/05/2012 14:13

I need some advice please, I've got no one to talk to in rl & talking to myself only gets me so far! Sorry this might be long!

I have been with dp for 7.5yrs & we have 2 ds, 23 mo & 12 wo. Over the past few weeks dp has become increasingly distant & even hostile towards me. I have also noticed he has started to guard his phone & is on it a lot more. It comes across that he has little regard for me & while I have approached the subject to him, he has dismissed my attempts to talk.

There were various instances while I was pregnant. One in particular upsets me still. 2 days before I was due for my c-sec we arranged that after our son was in bed (we live with my parents) we would go to get him a present from the new baby. As I was putting ds1 to bed dp announced that he wanted to go to his mums (she lives 10 min drive away) as well, I wasn't up for this as being 38 weeks preg I just wanted to get home and go to bed. So I told him I didn't want to go & he said he didn't care that I didn't want to go, he was going so we argued & he refused to see my reasoning & kept saying he didn't care what I thought he's going to see his mum. So he went & I didn't. He came back with some toy car that I wouldn't have chosen for ds1 & while I was awake most of the night upset at the total lack of empathy from him he went to sleep.

Fast forward to one Sunday he was cleaning out the house rabbit on the top landing, I was below looking after the bunny who wasn't interested in me & just lied down. Both ds were napping & I had left my phone on with ds2. So asked dp if I could use his phone to have a look on the Internet (I had seen dp with his phone minutes earlier). He said he hasn't got it, I said I just saw u with it, he says I haven't got it, must be downstairs. So I go downstairs & it's not there. I tell him & he says I don't know where it is, its not on me, I haven't got any pockets. I l knew he was blatantly lying but why? Anyhow I caught him out, while I could hear he'd stopped 'cleaning' I quietly went up the stairs & there he was on the phone quickly stuffing it into his shorts. I confronted him, he said yeah so, I can do what I want with my phone, I'm using it. It's not that he was using his phone, it's that he lied to me. Still don't know why he lied.

Now 6 weeks & things between us are rapidly going down hill. He hardly talks to me, is still being secretive with his phone & taking it everywhere with him, not showing any interest in me or our boys - never asks about our day, no phone calls during the day (when he has always called before), no texts, coming home late, being snappy & angry towards me, not wanting to spend time with me & kids, he's hardly formed any relationship with our 12 week old son, which I find heartbreaking & he keeps putting off talking about our relationship. I dunno if I'm going nuts but somethings wrong & it all points to one thing to me!!!!

I know the 2 instances aren't that bigger deal but they were hurtful. I practically begged him one night to tell me what's wrong & he says he's not talking bullshit relationship stuff cos he's got nothing to say. Every weekend he wants to do nothing but at lunch time (b4 naptime) says he's going out for something i.e. Pet shop & he goes for hours. Today he left at 1 & came back at 4! Said he was driving around. The atmosphere is awful, my poor boy (2.5) has hardly seen his daddy & we often argue when he does.

Last night he refused to kiss our 12 wo son goodnight & I got really angry. So later I said why this change in your behaviour, he's adamant he's not changed. He responds with back chat you'd expect from a teenager. He said maybe you've changed. He went to walk off, I begged him to talk, tried to reason with him that we have to sort this our for our boys, but he carried on walking, saying he's not listening to this bullshit. I was so angry that I told him to go to his mums if he's not gonna talk to me. And he did, he left & didn't talk to me. I called him last night and he cancelled my call & again this morning. Am I imagining all this or is he being totally unreasonable to me??

Sorry for length but I need to hear other opinions.

OP posts:
Dunnowotshappened · 28/05/2012 18:21

He just phoned, said he was coming home to see Ds1, no mention of ds2, getting some clothes & going. I asked to talk & he said no, you kicked me out. I answered but he cut me off saying he was at work. I feel sick. Oh Jesus I feel sick.

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IvanaNap · 28/05/2012 18:24

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CaveMum · 28/05/2012 18:27

Agree with Ivana, pack a bag for him and leave it on the doorstep. Lock the doors from the inside and do not answer the phone/door.

He is trying to wriggle out of it and shift the blame onto you.

bumbleymummy · 28/05/2012 18:30

Sorry Dunno, I agree with the others. :( I think I would also out his stuff outside and then invite a good friend over to keep you company tonight.

bumbleymummy · 28/05/2012 18:30

Although part of me also thinks that that's too bloody easy for him! I don't know what I would do. I'm so sorry! :(

clam · 28/05/2012 18:32

Agree with ivana and cave etc.. leave a bag outside. You'll feel bad, but believe me, you'd feel even worse if you let him in to play happy families with ds and he blanks you again.

KatieScarlett2833 · 28/05/2012 18:32

God, he was just looking for an excuse wasn't he?

Pack his stuff in bin bags and leave outside. Do not engage,

clam · 28/05/2012 18:34

Have you confirmed he's at his mum's?

clam · 28/05/2012 18:35

It's time you got angry. He's behaving appallingly.

Dunnowotshappened · 28/05/2012 18:41

I haven't told anyone cos I don't know what's going on. And I'm scared to let the floodgates open in front of my ds. My world has come crashing down & I want it back to how it was. I feel desperately lonely as I don't have any friends nearby & he's also my best friends brother. He has never seemed like the sort of man to cheat, I'm still hoping it's something else. He's had stress financially but I know deep down his behaviour towards me is wrong & there is prob a woman behind it. How can someone u were best friends with do this? My heart is breaking. SadSadSad

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ThatVikRinA22 · 28/05/2012 18:42

he wants you to kick him out so it can all be your fault.

reality is he is seeing someone else and does not know how to extract himself with any dignity (he cant!!)
so he is making it all your fault - in his head anyway.

he is a bastard. i would no engage with him and do not play his game - he has pushed you to do exactly what he wanted you to do.

i would not give him his clothes or access to the kids until he levels with you. I would also phone his mother and tell her what is going on.

he is seeing someone - the phone stuff screams it
he wants out
he wants you to do it.

he is a coward, a pathetic coward.

VanderElsken · 28/05/2012 18:43

You have done absolutely nothing wrong. He is constructing reasons to be angry with you in order to justify his actions and avoid a confrontation based on the truth. Either say this to him or detach completely. See it for what it is. You are utterly wronged against here. There is nothing wrong with anything you've done, it can't be faulted. Deep down he knows this and he wants you to act irrationally to provoke the situation.

ThatVikRinA22 · 28/05/2012 18:43

oh, and i would not have any contact with him at all until you have got some decent legal advice.

he has done this - dont let him con you into thinking this is your fault.

CogitoErgoSometimes · 28/05/2012 18:48

"How can someone u were best friends with do this?"

Selfishness. Best friends really wouldn't treat each other like this, no matter what the reason for it is. Few people go into a relationship with someone they expect to cheat but a lot find that's exactly what they've ended up with. If he's your best friend's brother, it may be worth getting a phone-call in to explain what's happening otherwise the 'she kicked me out' story will be the only version she hears.

heartstillthumping · 28/05/2012 18:54

He is a complete and utter fucking nobhead bastard OP and I am so sorry about this. I don't use those words lightly.

He has checked out, he is blatantly having an affair and he has managed to turn it into, "She kicked me out! Boo hoo!"

I know it's a shock but you are better off getting rid of this lowlife. And get some legal advice pronto about finances.

It might be worth talking to his mum and sister if they are on your side, just so they know the real situation. Won't bring him back and you wouldn't want him but if they know what he's up to it might shame him into being responsible financially etc for kids. It worries me he has detached from them too.

LapisBlue · 28/05/2012 19:12

Oh dear, this doesn't sound good but then neither will my response: OP, you must realise and perhaps you do already that small children, babies really, and more than one of them, are sometimes VERY hard for a bloke to deal with. Not all blokes but many.

I don't approve of this situation, obviously and in good and proper world all men would be mature enough to cope with perhaps no longer being number one and maybe coming much lower down in the pecking order and in all likely hood being just a little bit ignored by their partner.

Large loud klaxon! Do NOT ignore you partner and keep putting him first and make sure that he keeps putting you first, too (in case I get flamed for being a Stepford Wife!!). Your relationship is soooooo important and it seems to me that women put their babies first, second, third and fourth and that a great many men (not sensible enough to cope) will be straight into the arms of another woman.

I don't quite understand why the difficulties that babies bring to a relationship are nowhere mentioned in the media nor in any mainstream magazines.

So...you are where you are. You need evidence.

I'm so sorry you're going through this.

LapisBlue · 28/05/2012 19:15

And just in case I get flamed for the above, yes...I know LOTS of couples who were on "date nights" 8 weeks after baby was born and whose family set-up is very strong and committed.

Having a baby is totally knackering and stressful and not many can cope with it, I know. Least of all immature men.

IvanaNap · 28/05/2012 19:25

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LaMeuf · 28/05/2012 19:28

Lapisblue why on earth would you think that blaming the OP would be helpful here? I should add that my initial response was somewhat more strongly worded but I am trying to keep things within the guidelines. Suffice to say your post made me very Angry indeed.

OP, none of this is your fault. I am so, so sorry you're having to deal with this. My advice would be to make sure everyone - your in laws for example - knows of th strange behaviour, especially wrt his phone. That way when he suddenly has introduces a new woman in a couple of months time they can put 2 and 2 together for themselves.

LapisBlue · 28/05/2012 19:33

La Meuf - I regret that you're cross at my post- I'm not blaming the OP - not at all. Why on earth would I do that?

Your post reminds me of the mean girls at school saying "well, I COULD say something..."

I'm just conscious of the fact that having babies and all that goes with it is very hard indeed, is generally ignored by the media as something to work at regarding your relationship and is, in my opinion, an aspect not often enough acknowledged on this Forum.

FWIW, I think that the OP is dealing with horrible circumstances and that her OH is a plonker. Hope that doesn't make you too angry.

AnyFucker · 28/05/2012 19:34

Lapis did you realise that you completely blamed the OP there

it's her fault for paying the dc too much attention ?

shame on you

LapisBlue · 28/05/2012 19:35

No, I didn't say that either!! I give up!

AnyFucker · 28/05/2012 19:38

Lapis your post reminds me of the these idiots that GMTV wheel out every so often, who come along and make outrageous statements like "you need to keep showing your man he is 100% your priority and put him before your kids or he will leave you"

it is designed to get attention and viewing figures

for all the wrong reasons

Tortington · 28/05/2012 19:39

i think lapis has a point that is being willfully missed

AnyFucker · 28/05/2012 19:39

probably best, Lapis

did you think the Op wasn't already (mistakenly and futilely) blaming herself ?