It is possible to make a women pregnant even if the man dosn't come in her isn't it?

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Sorry a bit much for a Tuesday night. I was with a tosser bloke recently who tried to convince me that even though he disn't have a condom it was ok as he couldn't get me pregnant if he didn't come in me. I politely declined. I am right aren't I? Semen is released before the actual orgasm.

Also just out of interest; has anyone actually concieved in this way?

Yes you are right, but it is amazing how many men either don't know, refuse to believe it or just down right lie about it.

Yes you are right. You don't need anyone to prove this to you. It's the first rule of why withdrawl method does not guarantee against pregnancy or obviously stds.

Tosser averted.

"I promise I'll pull out in time" is as believable as "The cheque's in the post" and "Despite me being the editor of the News of the World, I knew nothing about phone hacking."

And, yes, sperm can be released before orgasm. As can HIV, herpes, chlamydia etc.

I suspect I might have conceived this way . Practising good ol' withdrawal method with long-term DP - either something like this happened, or I'm fertile on about day 5 of my cycle.

You are absolutely right.

Lexies, how do you count the days of your cycle? (I'm asking because a friend counted them wrong)
You might not have been fertile on day 5, but sperm can last a few days inside the woman (>5!).

We learn this at school. Did he not go to school

If the man withdraws early enough it should be pretty safe, of course.

But why would you trust him to do that? "Accidents" happen...

.a woman I knew said that she'd got pregnant without actual penetrative sex, he came obviously very close to her.

You did the right thing.

I thought you could get preggers if a man literally put it in and pumped 5 times. Theres that clear liquid they call 'pre cum' that has sperm in isnt there? God, i feel like a kid again now!

Yup - withdrawal is unreliable. Partly because some sperm may be floating around before he properly blows his load, and partly because, in the words of Billy Connolly, "At the moment of ejaculation, withdraw?? Let me tell you, at the moment of ejaculation there isn't a team of wild horses could make my arse go in

There is sperm in a pre ejelaculatory liquid only if the man ejaculated shortly before and had not peed to clear it out of the urethra. There is no sperm in pre cum per se iyswim, only wht's left after the last ejacuation.

But yes, it's not very reliable.

Thanks for setting the record straight. What I feel iffy about is the fact that this is the main reason why I've binned him off.

We had a lovely date; lots of shared interests and as he said we get on really well but when it came to the sex the fact that he said this put me off him. Plus he said he couldn't see me for 6 weeks after the first date. His dad has cancer etc and he works all over.

Was I right to bin him for the condom thing and if so, why do I feel so sad?

I just feel like even when I meet a man I like and get on with there will be one alarm bell that ruins everything. I have done the right thing havn't I?

I think we mutually called it off ; one of his reasons is that we get on amazingly well and he feels so comfortably but we aren't compatible in bed. Well we aren't going to be compatible after one shag during which he wouldn't/couldn't wear a rubber. When I like someone that much I give the sex thing a bit more of a chance to steam up.

He's a tosser and I'm well rid aren't I? I need to stop feeling sad about these tossers I really do. I tend to see the good side of people.

Basically he has made an excuse as he didn't get what he thought he was entitled to in bed and wants to shag girls who don't mind not using condoms.

Plenty of men do know all about the risks involved but yet try and use any mechanism possible to go bareback. If you do fall pregnant you will probably find out that the tosser does not give a shit and will either dump you or tell you to abort it. Men like this are not worth it and they are selfish. You have done the right thing by binning him, try and find someone who respects you and your health.

OP, sex without protection is obviously dangerous for so, so many reasons. No bloke who wants sex without a condom of the first date is worth it.

Lueji, I think I counted it from the 1st day of my period. Basically, we only ever had 'risky' sex during the first few days of my period finishing, and my periods were very short. Whatever actually happened, I was obviously fertile far earlier than that standard day 13-17

Thanks all. I know deep down I have done the right thing. Third sodding condom dodger in a row. What is wrong with them. First condom dodger was a longish term boyfriend and I stupidly let him shag me but he didn't come. when I missed a period he was so quick to mention abortion. took me another month to dump him.

I feel good about my decision now. I hate condoms and I would much rather do away with them but a few months in when we are both protected and screened.

BTW; has anyone demanded that their dp get an std test or is it very unromantic?

I wasn't pregnnat btw so no abortion needed. I'm just getting bored of these types of men.

You can get pregnant without penetrative sex at all. Semen on hands, semen very close to the vagina, and if you have unprotected sex after he has come once and there is still some semen under his foreskin or somewhere.

In any case, he has sacked himself for his general attitude and stupidity, hasn't he?

And as a biologist he knows damn well that it is possible to get preggers in this way. Plus he knows that I used to be a biologist too; he made me doubt myself.

Requesting a mutual Sti check is not unromantic, it's obligatory.

How many people actually request the sti test though? Honestly? I will from now on. And what happens if you find out that your dp is infested?

Yep well rid!

i requested the sti test. definitely.

If you find out your dp has chlamidia for example what do you do about it?