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What would you do?

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someoldfrenchslapper · 22/05/2012 18:12

I'm 37 weeks pregnant and have been married for 6 years. I've been out with DD (3yo) all day as we have workmen in trying to finish the house before the new baby arrives.

We came back from the park and she wanted to watch tv (currently covered in a dustsheet whilst the plasterer works around it!) so I set her up on my laptop in the soon-to-be baby's room where DH has been sleeping whilst he work goes on. Thought I'd browse a couple of baby bits on his iPad whilst I had the chance to put my feet up.

DH mentioned last night that he was deleting Facebook from his iPad as the application is crap on there. So when I clicked on the link I thought it would take me to a general FB login page but it didn't, it took me to his page. And his inbox.

Seemingly last night after he'd gone to bed he emailed an ex-colleague from years ago (1997). Basically some old french slag that he once shagged when he was 23. She is, by all accounts, still an old slag.

The conversation started off innocently enough - where do you live now, are you married etc etc but then they started talking about 'that night'. The tone got flirtier and he mentioned that he's in London most week nights and she joked that they should have a menage a trois (she also shagged one of his mates way back then). He kept saying that he would get into trouble and that his iPad wasn't very private. The conversation ended with him saying they should take it to email and delete the FB conversation. He'd mentioned me earlier in the conversation and asked if she knew me (I used to work for same company), he also told her we have a dd and another on the way and said I was 'great'. that was before the flirting started.

I was shaking when I found all of this and inside I'm fuming. Initially I was tempted to reply to their conversation on his part so he'd see it and know that I knew but part of me wants to leave it another night and see if the conversation carries on and if they actually plan anything. It will be so hard not to say anything tonight though. What would you do? Confront him now or wait until there's more,if any, ammunition. Or if it's gone quiet are they carrying on over email?

God, he's such a male cliche.

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HypercriticalOaf · 23/05/2012 10:04

Thinking of you today SOFS.

someoldfrenchslapper · 23/05/2012 11:23

Thank you. No FB activity last night, I suspect he was too tired or carrying on over email.

I have however managed to forward the conversation from the point it changed tone to my own FB account. His mailbox now shows the last message as being a forwarded message to me with the entire contents. I can't decide whether to leave it there and make him sweat or whether to delete it. He's pretty inept on FB as it is so I don't even know if and when he'd check his inbox anyway. Things will more than likely come out before then.

If I did want to draw his attention to it (and be really spiteful and conniving) I could fwd it to his friend mentioned in the 'menage a trois', that would probably prompt a wtf are you doing getting involved with her email from his friend but I'd rather not implicate anyone else at this point. I don't want to stoop that low.

I feel sickened that this was going on whilst I was at an antenatal class and he was sitting at home (with a ton of things around him needing doing ready for the birth) trying to cajole her into have email sex with him. And if it did carry on over email it was in the new baby's bedroom. Yuk.

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HypercriticalOaf · 23/05/2012 12:28

Delete the forwarding marker as he will no doubt delete all or any emails if he does become aware of it and if you intend to ask to see these, you may want to prevent that from happening.

It is sickening lovely but try (and I do know how nigh on impossible it is!) to restrain your mind from making it feel all the more so by imagining where/how far it went/ etc, until you speak with him and see all the evidence you request.

Try to deal with facts alone at this stage as you are in a particularly vulnerable place right now and your mind and emotions need to be protected in any way possible. Try to avoid slipping into a decline, hold on, keep as level headed as possible. You are going to be ok. Your baby is just fine too sweetheart! Try not to worry about them and banish any guilt you feel in being aware that they haven't had your undivided attention. It is quite normal to feel like that way, in pregnancies subsequent to the first and this particular distraction is not down to you at all.

someoldfrenchslapper · 23/05/2012 19:44

I've deleted the forwarding marker now. He's a bit subdued at present, not sure if he suspects that I know or if he has a guilty conscience.

He's playing tennis tonight, he left his blackberry in the bedroom so thought I would have a chance to try and work out password whilst he was out but it had vanished minutes later. He's not leaving it far from his side at the moment (he usually slings it down on the sofa when he first gets in.)

Think I am going to confront him when he gets back. My Mum is coming to stay for a week on Friday and I need to have this out with him before then.

Thank you hyper for your kind words. Do you mind me asking at what point you confronted your DP after you found out? And did he come to the birth with you?

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xkatyx · 23/05/2012 20:34

I'm so sorry you are going through this!! I went through it myself 7 years ago when I was 34 weeks pregnant!!

My dh always seamed to be the ideal man, never in my widest dream thought else would cheat!!

He actually bought a phone just to text her on!!!
I copied her number on my phone and messaged her saying "hi this is my phone has broke this is my new number .. I held my breath waiting for reply and then she texted back saying "hi babe missed you how was work today bla bla" anyway I kept texting her till I got what I needed to know!!!

Confronted dh he obviously denied everything so I texted her saying can you call me .. So I asked dh one more time to tell me the truth .. Nope .. So at that time she called I handed him the phone and walked out!!!

This was 7 years ago and I had him at the birth and we did eventually work everything out!!! Today we are closer than we have ever been.

I wish you all the best, I know after all this suffered terribly with pnd!! Was awful time.

I was very sneaky!! The daft git has put her name in his actual mobile so

someoldfrenchslapper · 23/05/2012 21:01

I'm sorry you had such a tough time katy. These men have amazing timing don't they? Did it take you a long time to be able to trust him enough to work things out afterwards?

I was thinking earlier this evening how I could imagine pnd happening after this. At a time when you really need support and when your hormones all over the place the one person you really need behind you has broken all your trust and made you feel humiliated, vulnerable and alone.

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xkatyx · 23/05/2012 21:11

It took forever to trust him!! I used to feel sick looking at him!!

This is awful but when I found out I used to think "because of this baby I have to stay with him" and I resented her for it!!

We split up and he tried everything to get back together .. I said we will just leave things lie until after the birth (as I just couldn't deal with it all at once)

Then pnd kicked in and my poor dd used to cry all the time and so did I just awful!!

And then things got better but he really really tried!! He moved jobs .. We spent more time together I went on antidepressants to help with pnd .. We have since had more children and in a odd way that kind of gave us the kick we needed to make more of an effort with each other!!

Also dh never slept with this woman!! I found that out trough my texts to her from"him" had there been sexual contact for me I don't think I could of gone back!!

It's so hurtful isn't it knowing that they are thinking about another woman and being pregnant just makes you feel so in attractive anyway and I don't know about you but I just wanted to drink a bottle of wine and feel sorry for myself (dot drink usually) and obviously being pregnant I didnt!!

That pain you are feeling now is awful and all I can say is do what you can do to find the truth because he won't admit it (very rarely do!!) and it will drive you nuts not knowing the truth!!

Lovemy3kids · 23/05/2012 21:27

Whilst I wasn't pregnant when my STBX decided to contact an old friend on FB,we did have 3 children together. Like u my STBXH said he wasn't using FB but, by sheer accident, I logged onto the main computer in the house and it too went into his mailbox on FB. There were several messages from women where I could read the conversation and see that there was nothing in it, but on the one lady all the messages had been deleted....apart from the last one-which wasn't really incriminating at all...it just "lol xxxx". However, alarm bells rang as he had tried to delete this persons messages and, the fact that he'd had 2 affairs in our 11 yr relationship (married 7) was enough to tell me that I wasn't going to put myself through his lies again. I also found out that he'd been ringing her , texting her and emailing her...and looking through his mobile phone bill, he did a lot of txting when he was sat with me of an evening. I left him and took our 3 DC with me. He's always denied it, but the fact that he also didn't fight for us to stay showed me that we were better off with out him.....and we are. I know after his affairs that I never truly trusted him100%, but I sooooo wanted to because I loved him and wanted to be with him, and of course I iwantecto make it work for the kids....seems he didn't though. I'll never truly know what was said in the messages between him and his friend, I could contact her but I chose not to as this was his doing.

It will be hard for you to trust him and believe him again but it can be done. I hope things work out for you and that the impending birth goes well. Take care of yourself and your new bundle of joy when it arrives....your hormones will be all over the place! Good luck and take care x

someoldfrenchslapper · 23/05/2012 21:41

The curse of FB eh?!

One of the silly things is that we haven't even decided on names for this baby. We didn't really have a shortlist ready when DD was born and after we named her I agonised over it through all of the sleepless nights for about a year.

Now this baby will arrive and I guess we'll discuss it but if we don't agree (which we haven't until now) part of me thinks the baby will remain nameless again. Or I'll just think sod you, I'm calling him/her x. I can't imagine the happy birth announcements and congratulations to us both etc - and there will be a lot - I've had two mc and then we had to terminate my last pg at 13 weeks because the baby had a lethal defect and she wouldn't have survived birth.

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augustajones · 24/05/2012 00:12

Oh, OP you have been through the mill without this!

Keep your chin up. x

HypercriticalOaf · 24/05/2012 09:26

SOFS, I truly wish that I'd had Lovemy3kids presence of mind and just trusted my instincts and brought an end to it.

I found out for sure (a video of them at it, on his phone) the day before my EDD. The video was from about two weeks prior.

Prior to me having the absolute in concrete evidence, he completely that anything had happened.

He was at the birth. By then I was running on shock and adrenaline alone.

HypercriticalOaf · 24/05/2012 09:26

~completely denied

someoldfrenchslapper · 24/05/2012 15:27

Hyper that is horrendous, you must have felt absolutely sick when you found that, a total rat. I'm so sorry to hear what you had to go through, I can;t begin to imagine how you must've felt at the birth - and how on earth to explain that one to your DC when they are old enough??

I confronted him last night. I just picked up his two phones then sat down and asked him for the passwords. I said I wanted to show him something. He unlocked them both straight away. Then came the comical part - for some reason I just cannot work the flippin' Blackberry. I try to use it like an iPhone, get it all wrong and can't seem to navigate around the bloody thing. So I sat there, shaking trying to find her emails. I eventually found a couple of messages but only managed to click on one (hopeless!) before I started talking.

I asked him why he'd initiated the conversation in the first place, why he flirted, why he tried to make it dirtier, why he sent his email address and why he felt the need to take it to private email.

He said because he's an idiot, straight up. It was a ridiculous, stupid thing to do and he apologised. He said he was drunk, home alone, a bit bored and it was easy to just type away anything really without thinking what he was doing. Mindless. She means absolutely nothing to him (I didn't doubt that) He agreed that it was just cheap thrills although at one point he tried to suggest it wasn't just him that initiated it. Having read their conversation about 10 times though I know that it was entirely him (whether she then played game and got dirty on bbm, I don't know) I pointed out that she was in no way to blame because of x and y etc and he agreed.

He said he had deleted most of the emails but could probably retrieve them from work. I asked for them today but he says they were in fact deleted and he can't ask IT for them because it was to an external address (non-work related, obviously!) He wishes he did still have them because he maintains that I could then see that it wasn't email sex, it was just stupid banter, they chatted about the night they slept together but not much else. He said that what was on FB was about as ridiculous and senseless as it got.

He then offered some 'excuses' if I was willing to hear them. He said that he has been worried for a while that he has a problem with alcohol and has been trying to let me know or hoping that I would challenge him about it so he could talk to me. I have questioned on occasion why he always needs to take a drink to bed and when I found a rucksack full of empty miniature wine bottles he just fobbed me off saying it was rubbish to get rid of etc. Denial being the number one sign of a problem! He was afraid to talk to me about it because of my Dad (history of drink problems) and because of all I have been through with the miscarriages etc he has felt that I have been fragile recently and not strong enough to deal with it. Not true, I am very resilient but hey. He feels he has mentally had a lot on his plate (he went back to a counsellor not long ago as he feels the need to talk about his emotions on a constant basis and didn't feel like he could talk to me at times or that I cared when he did.) I'm ashamed to say he does have a point there.

He also finds it hard that DD and I are so close - she's very much a Mummy's girl and it can be hard for anyone else being with her if I'm around. She is v clingy with me and can push others away - sadly my amazing Mum being the latest victim for no apparent reason (but that's another thread entirely!)

Without boring you with all the ins and outs we agreed that we have given everything to our DD this past 3 years but the downside is that we have neglected our own relationship. We probably do something jusy the two of us about four times a year - usually a birthday or wedding anniversary! It felt good to talk and there is lots more to be done. He desperately wants to be a good husband and a good father and by all accounts he genuinely is. As he no longer has the emails he will have to put up with me grilling him over the contents of them (which I'm sure he will find worse than actually having kept them). Only then can I work things through in my head.

The alcohol thing I have experienced my whole adult life (apparently he was really drunk when I came back from the antenatal class but I didn't even notice - he said because he is hiding it) so we can deal with that separately. This may sound ironic but one of the reasons I married him is because he is so open and very easy to talk to (the exact opposite of my dad). He wants to talk and needs to talk so will always admit to something and open up if asked. He said he wanted me to notice him again, to draw attention to himself so that he/we could talk. He's certainly done that, albeit in the worst and most untimely way possible!

I feel like I've gone on for long enough now, if you're still reading then thank you and thank you to everyone who posted, you've all really helped me get through these last few days. If I'm being shortsighted and missing something blatantly obvious, and need a slap around the chops then please feel free to point it out! I'm officially full term today so baby brain is still very much a cause!

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KirstyWirsty · 24/05/2012 15:41

That sounds to me like you have managed to have the discussion at the right time to get you both re-engaged but does he understand that you are about to have a baby and won't be able to give him a lot of attention for a while? Have you asked how he is going to cope with that?

You are doing so well - not putting up with the crap and confronting right away - I'm glad he opened up to you x

izzyizin · 24/05/2012 15:48

Aw poor diddums. The only problem is that it's all about him when, so close to the birth of his 2nd dc, it should all be about you.

Initiating clandestine correspondence with an old flame would seem to be the least likely way for him to 'draw attention to himself'.

If he really wanted you to notice him why didn't he dress up in a clown suit?

MadAboutHotChoc · 24/05/2012 16:26

Just read this thread.

Well done for confronting him.

I would get Shirley Glass's Not Just Friends - mainly because I feel that there are several vulnerabilities that make him susceptible to infidelity and until he has addressed these, this kind of thing may happen again. Things are going to be even more difficult with two little ones...

AnyFucker · 24/05/2012 21:55

wow !

he's a master of deflection, isn't he ?

Houseofplain · 24/05/2012 22:24

Wow! To nick the above exclamation. So it's the alcohols fault. It's your relationships fault as you don't get time together. So don't forget to reward him with plenty of sex and time! Oh and the most outrageous. You and your dd are too close!?!? WTAF?

None of it is him then? What's gonna happened when you are run ragged with two dc's? Believe me going from one to two is an awful shock. Its great you've confronted him. But I dare say from his responses you are going to be back here sooner rather than later. Call me a cynic.

AnyFucker · 24/05/2012 22:33

I would call you a realist, HOP Sad

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BelieveInPink · 25/05/2012 09:13

He's done a number on you hasn't he, and that's the end of that.

Except it won't be.

SaraBellumHertz · 25/05/2012 09:36

OP since you specifically ask: yes I am afraid you're spectacularly missing what is going on.

Even before your last email alarm bells were ringing, particularly in reference to "I know him well enough to know he doesn't give a toss about this woman".

If that is true, and I suspect it is a case of he doth protest too much, how can you feel comforted by the fact that he is behaving like this in relation to someone "meaningless" that he is prepared to throw away our relationship for someone he couldn't care less about.

As for the rest you're being spun a line. Sorry.

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