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Can your dh cuddle you without groping you - mine can't...

64 replies

Nina456 · 03/05/2012 07:10

and it's fucking infuriating. My dh has a higher sex drive than me, we do have sex just not as often as he would like. I just seem to be constantly 'fighting him off' - that being a turn of phrase, he is a thoroughly decent, kind bloke - no issues whatsoever with being forced/DV etc.
This morning he was doing it and I said 'I just want a cuddle' (sorry, that is a nauseating word but I can't think of a better one)' and he's now stropped off downstairs to have breakfast and then go to work.

Will this ever change?

OP posts:
blackteaplease · 03/05/2012 09:15

Ah yes, the old waiting until you are in bed then making a move. It's very annoying. As is the knowledge that you have the lower sex drive. It;s like a constant pressure.

I have told DH that by the time I go to bed, all I want to do is go to sleep. I too have insommnia. If I cuddle DH in bed he always expects more, but if we cuddle elsewhere in the house then it's just a cuddle.

We have comprimised by one of us suggesting an "early night" where we slope off to bed early and shag. That way we both get what we want. Would this work for you?

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 09:17

Have any of you tried saying to your partners that they should assume you are not interested in sexual contact unless you indicate otherwise?

ie the reverse of the situation that you have at the moment

NoMoreMarbles · 03/05/2012 09:18

It depends on how long it's been since we had sex TBH

If it was the day before...cuddles and no groping... 3 days and groping aplenty.

I don't like it or dislike it- rather flattering that he finds me so sexy stillGrin I just say I'm not in the mood so he doesn't feel I'm rejecting him and he reverts to a cuddle and sleep Smile

blapbird · 03/05/2012 09:23

I think you are really lucky, my DP just sleeps and sleeps and sleeps and if e happens to wake up he just gets up straight away I wish he would be more bothersome!

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 09:35

It is not an either or.

A partner can become aroused while having a cuddle yet not pester you if you don't want sex.

If I don't want sex and we are cuddling and DH gets an erection, he just takes care not to poke me with it while he's cuddling me!

kmdwestyorks · 03/05/2012 09:37

DP does cuddle a lot (personally i think it's bed space grabbing technique as cuddling always seems to happen on my side of the bed)

We're a boring pair though and have very clear "groping is currently welcome positions" along with "touch me and you'll hurt posiitons" and the comfortable, loving and more usual "lets cuddle with non progressive groping, my hand is comfortable resting here and i quite like it when your hand is resting just here"

DadIsSad · 03/05/2012 09:53

I hope a man's perspective on this might be appreciated?

"I have suggested that if he is in the mood to suggest something earlier in the evening but he says he doesn't because he doesn't want to be rejected and so it goes on and on and on and on..."

I can't help but feel that's a big part of the problem right there. Of course you feel that it's his problem, not yours, but if it's something you want to solve then you both have to work at it. Do you ever initiate sex, or is it just that sometimes his advances do lead there? If he feels like he gets rejected, then no wonder he doesn't want to do it - how about you suggest something earlier in the evening when you're in the mood (from the sounds of things that's more likely to be the critical factor than him being in the mood - chances are he'll be in the mood almost all the time if you approach it right)? Are you worried that if you do that he'll expect even more sex? In which case you need to calmly point out to him that's not the case, but you thought he might appreciate you making the first move - I don't think I'm at all atypical in that I'd really appreciate it working like that, as it would take the pressure off. I don't know if those women who have lower sex drives than their partners (as appears to be the norm, especially those with children) appreciate that it's not all that nice to feel that the only way to ever get sex is to keep making advances, but get rejected most of the time. One of the ironies of society that men are expected to make the first move, but at least IME men are far less likely to reject women if they make the first move.

For those who might have read my other posts on here I should point out this is all theoretical at the moment, but my situation has led to a lot of soul searching about how these things work. I do also actually really like just having a cuddle, even if more often than not I'd like it to move on to other things - in my current situation it's something I've learned to appreciate. Maybe you just need to readjust your DP's expectations on this - at least make him aware that he'll get just as much sex if he does stop groping you (otherwise there's always likely to be the feeling that if he does do that you'll have less - and whatever you do, if he does start just cuddling you, don't start having less sex as a result!)

"Maybe suggest they wank more or something?"

Just lovely, SardineQueen. Think of some of the phrases which might really put you off a bloke, and that's right up there. In any case, if he has a higher sex drive, chances are he already is.

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 09:55

Better they have a wank than pester their partners.

ladyintheradiator · 03/05/2012 09:56

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blackteaplease · 03/05/2012 10:01

Nice to have a man's perspective.

IMO, i do know that I am hurting my DH's feelings by rejecting him but I don't ever seem to be in the mood and the more he pressures me the less I want to have sex. It's a vicious circle and once you are in that negative midset it's not good for anyone.

I have found that having good sex makes me want more sex if that makes sense. That's why we have the early nights, but then our dd is only young and we have the evenings free.

DadIsSad · 03/05/2012 10:01

"Better they have a wank than pester their partners."

Not that it really works like that - at least not for me (not that I pester my partner, but getting rid of the immediate hormones doesn't get rid of the basic desire). Still a horrible thing to say IMHO.

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 10:04

Why is it a horrible thing to say?
There's nothing wrong with masturbation Confused
If one person is feeling up for it and the other isn't, and close physical proximity is making one overly frisky and the other isn't interested, then having a wank is surely the obvious solution. Otherwise you are in a situation where one is gagging and the other isn't interested and that is not going to be comfortable for either of them.

TheOneWithTheHair · 03/05/2012 10:13

Unfortunately wanking doesn't always sate the desire for intimate contact though SardineQueen.

Of course there is nothing wrong with masturbating but I don't think doing it more frequently would stop the pestering. In fact it leads to more because his feelings are more heightened.

The more sex one has the more they want. If he stopped masturbating for a while or trying to turn all physical contact into sex then op is more likely to initiate as the pressure is off both parties.

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 10:17

But he's not going to stop pestering her
That's the whole point of the OP
I doubt he will agree to give up wanking as well Confused
OP has a bloke who "strops off" when she declines sex. She feels like she is always "fighting him off". How do you think she should deal with that.

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 10:19

If DH is getting a bit fruity with me and I don't fancy it then I suggest he has a wank.
I really don't understand what is wrong with that.
The alternatives are him feeing terribly frustrated or me having sex I don't want. Neither of them are good.
I think the same the other way around if it is the woman who is feeling frisky and the man who is not.
I think that anyone pestering for sex is wrong.

TheOneWithTheHair · 03/05/2012 10:22

I don't know. I am in a similar situation. I posted up thread.

I wish I did know the answer. I was just putting forward an apposing point of view as I've already tried the wank more often thing and it made my dh worse.

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 10:24

Have you tried saying to him to assume you aren't up for sex, and you will initiate when you are frisky?

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 10:28

TBH most of my boyfriends have taken no for an answer and been happy just to cuddle so I'm probably not the best person to ask! I just feel so sorry for those out there who have pesterers, and also those who are in a situation which makes them feel jealous of pesterers. Both not great situations to be in.

claireinmodena · 03/05/2012 10:31

Hi Nina

we've also been together for 20+ yearsSmile

To answer your question, we talked A LOT. I gad to spell it out to him how it made me feel and how it put me off even more, he explained it made him feel rejected and unloved Sad

So, we both made an effort to compromise, me by initiating sex more often and occasionally having sex when I thought I didnt feel like it (but I found out that I did actually enjoyed it in the end), and him by backung off a bit and actually offering me the chance to initiate proceedings.

As someone says it can be a vicious circle in both ways:
The less you do it the less you want to do it and viceversa!

Eventually my libido increased and I slso found that having more sex made me feel sexier (at least in his etes) and that in turn made me more likely to want sex etc etc et

Its important to take the pressure off on both sides and try and really understand each others needs.

Hth and you find a way to make it work for you Smile

DadIsSad · 03/05/2012 10:33

OP has a bloke who "strops off" when she declines sex. She feels like she is always "fighting him off". How do you think she should deal with that.

Well personally I'd suggest for a start by not telling him to "wank more or something". Just my opinion, if you don't want to know how a bloke might feel at being told that, then fair enough - maybe yours is different, but I suspect it depends on context and you're not actually putting it quite as bluntly as that - and maybe actually having what he feels is a reasonable amount of sex anyway.

I gave my suggestions above, but it comes down to completely getting away from the behaviour which results in groping/fighting off/strop. You might feel it's not fair if it involves her having to be more pro-active, but if that results in getting rid of the unwanted behaviour isn't it actually a good thing?

claireinmodena · 03/05/2012 10:34

Sorry about spelling: "in his eyes" not etes..

EatsBrainsAndLeaves · 03/05/2012 10:39

I agree with you sardinequeen. Being groped and having to fight a partner off is disrespectful behaviour. And if I want sex and my DP doesn't, I have a wank. Not the same, but better than pestering

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 10:41

My post was this

"Dh is very snuggly and cuddly. Most of my boyfriends have been TBH.

Maybe suggest they wank more or something? It is not fair to be denied non-sexual physical affection and / or to be hassled for sex."

It was a throw-away remark borne out of empathy for the women who are being denied affection and / or hassled. Clearly a man who is happy to pester his partner and throw a strop if he doesn't get what he wants isn't going to react well to being told to go and have a wank. Which was kind of my point.

My more serious suggestion was "Have any of you tried saying to your partners that they should assume you are not interested in sexual contact unless you indicate otherwise?"

SardineQueen · 03/05/2012 10:41

"You might feel it's not fair if it involves her having to be more pro-active"

What does this mean? What does her being more pro-active involve?

kittycatwoman · 03/05/2012 10:44

I have the same 'problem'. Whenever we hug or cuddle up on sofa his hand goes straight down my panties. Problem is, he is so good in stimulating me, we always end up shagging. Blush. So I have not had to push him off so far.

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