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GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 21:07

Background: My husband and I have been together for 10 years, married for almost 6. We have a DS who is 3.5 yr old who has Autism. Our DS does have language, but only speaks to people he has bonded with.

I'm from another country and moved to the UK after we married. Since I've moved here, my husbands family have not been the most welcoming. We've been left out of family events for years and when we go to dinner at his parents house I am left out of conversations.

Husbands sister and oldest cousin both feel like I've caused a rift between H and his Mother. Both treat me like a chore/obligation and really make a show of how precious their time is when I'm present. I don't know if Mil currently feels the same way, but Fil did for a while until his side of the family took a chance at building a relationship with us. We get on okay and they do find me reasonable.

I do try to engage with Mils family and call to see how they are, I thought things were getting better lately as they've been extending dinner invitations--on days they know we cannot make (we're moving house and I have exams for a Masters course that I'm doing).

Because I am in the middle of exams, and the house is being packed up, I asked my Sil two weeks ago to come babysit my DS. She often complains that he doesn't speak to her and I've repeatedly explained that because they haven't bonded, he won't speak to her until she is a more consistent part of his life. To be honest though, she's never made much of an effort and I do chase after her. I only do this because she complains to everyone about DS's lack of enthusiasm around her...and she babysits all the other kids in the family that are around his age. Some of them once a week. It hurts my husband to see her not make the effort with his own son.

So today, while DS was running around Sil looks up at me and says: "I've been busy all week, I'm really tired...this isn't fun for me and there isn't much I can do with him, he's uncommunicative." The tone she said it with though, was just full of disgust, even DS made a face at hearing her words. Since DS was in the room, I told her it was just that he needed more time with her and if she wasn't feeling well, I was happy to take over.

...But I felt like the biggest chore, I felt like there is no place for me in this family and there is certainly no place for my DS. Husband has acknowledged seeing the way I am treated within his family, and he see's how hard I try for everyone's sake, but he refuses to do anything about it.

If we were in my country, no one in my family would dare treat him like an obligation, even if they felt it. My sister lives with us to help with DS while she is studying here; she has never ever felt like we are an obligation and she has cared for and loved my DS as if he was her own. She loves my husband as well...and has never treated him with any contempt.

Whilst speaking of my feelings about this to my husband, he ran out of the room screaming because he thinks I want him to cut off ties with his family. That is not what I want, I just want to be treated fairly. I don't think it's fair for family to speak badly about me, or make fun of my sons disability without knowing us--and I also don't think it's nice of them to keep alienating us. They left us out of events even before DS was born...slowly though, while I make an effort towards the extended family, I think some of them may be changing their mind about me.

I just don't know what to do about a Sil who hates me and disregards my DS because of his Autism, or a husband who cannot communicate with me.

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boringnickname · 28/04/2012 21:14

your DH ran screaming from the room because you wanted to discuss issues with his family? Shock

GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 21:17

yes, he ran screaming...very loudly..i'm sitting here crying. i just can't keep up with the isolation, i come from a large and loving family--we just don't do this.

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GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 21:51

just to point out, I didn't raise my voice. I'm not trying to be passive aggressive.

is this the end of our marriage? am i just supposed to ignore it and move on and continue to feel slighted by his family? should i just stop making the effort? i do want things to change, the only way to do it is make all the effort.

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izzyizin · 28/04/2012 22:04

Why are you chasing after a sil who clearly doesn't want to know you, and why on earth would you ask her to babysit your ds?

Given that it seems that you were present, why did you need her to babysit? Could you not have asked your dsis?

GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 22:22

My dSis is also studying for exams. My first exam is just around the corner. We move into a new house on Monday. I asked Sil two weeks ago when she asked if I needed any help. I took that to mean she was being genuine. I asked Mil yesterday if Sil was coming and Mil said 'yes'.

Husband was packing and dealing with electricians+builders and I was doing the finishing touches for a paper.

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GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 22:23

(when I say my first exam is around the corner, I meant Wednesday).

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scarletforya · 28/04/2012 22:24

Is it possible your dh is on the Autistic spectrum himself? Just in the light of his uncommunicativeness and his screaming (meltdown?)

GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 22:25

Yes, he is.

At this point, I think his DSis is too. (Not being mean, I genuinely think there is something very wrong about her).

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scarletforya · 28/04/2012 22:28

Ah that sounds really difficult op. I can't advise much I'm afraid, hopefully someone more helpful comes along soon.

GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 22:32

I love him, but it's been 10 years, should I just cut my losses and leave?

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GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 22:36

They are all just so intertwined with each other, and everyone talks to each other all the time, and he's always left out...

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IvanaNap · 28/04/2012 22:47

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GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 23:13

I really miss my country ...I'm absolutely homesick. But you're right Ivana

  1. Exam
  2. Moving (Must make moving schedule)
  3. Ds's schedule this week
  4. Sil crap
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tallwivglasses · 28/04/2012 23:50

Get some outside support. Local NAS branch? We have local groups for parents, adults and people with partners on the spectrum. I know we're lucky but there should be some support near you - a carers' association? Try your local council website.

You are juggling a lot of balls and doing amazingly Smile

PooPooInMyToes · 28/04/2012 23:56

Poor you! If your sil can't be nice about your lovely son i would have nothing more to do with her!

You say that some of his family are changing their minds about you. Why did they have a negative opinion of you in the place?

henrysmama2012 · 29/04/2012 07:49

I really would consider going back to your family in your home country. It is literally their total lack of respect for you that would force your hand. Don't be martyr to a nasty family & a husband who lets them treat you and your son badly, regardless of how unfair he thinks it is. They don't respect your son either if they treat him like you say. It's your life, your sons life, go and be with family - at least for an extended holiday - and say enough is enough - if you want me to feel capable of coming home : having a marriage / living in the UK away from my loving family then make a god damn effort to treat me and my son with a bit of goddamn respect.

NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 08:08

Glitter,
let me get that right.
ou are from another country.
You dc is autistic as is your DH and perhaps other members of his family.
You are struggling to communicate with them up to the point that you feel completely unwelcome.

I am afraid that you have 2 vhoices:

  • either you accept that your dH, dc etc... are on the spectrum and treat them as such. eg you would not think your dc refuses to talk to someone because you know it is one characterist of his autism. The same way, your H screaming is a sign of the autism and not a sign of unacceptable behaviour. Your dsil reaction is her inability to comprehend your dcs reactions.
You can try and find ways around it knowing that you need to be careful re expectations.
  • or you give up because it is too hard and look at getting sperated, remembering that it does NOT mean you are going back to your own country (as the UK is the country of residence of your dc and you will not be allowed to move wo the agreement of your DH).

I am not sure what to recommend apart from the fact I am in a similar situation (coming from abroad, DP has AS just as his father).
I sometime struggles a lot with my dsil, in part because she doesn't get on my DP (because of the AS) and also because of the relationships are in their family. Add to that the fact that I still make some 'faux pas' and say things that would be consider 'inappropriate' in english standards and that's it.
It is hard ...

GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 08:23

PoopooInMyToes

I don't know why they have negative opinions of me. I really don't. But I do have a theory. I think, that because I was left out of many family gatherings that perhaps everyone wondered why I wasn't there and I'm not to sure if it was made clear that we hadn't been invited. (Does that make sense?) Often when I do run into family members they ask why I wasn't at some event and usually when I say "I didn't know about it, I would have come if I'd known." They have horrified looks on their faces and apologize. This happens all the time.

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NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 08:24

So actually there are some people that you are not getting on with but you could communicate with the others?

GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 08:32

The reason I keep referring to my country is because we only decided to live in the UK for him to be close to his family. When I realized they weren't going to be helpful, I asked my sister to consider studying here so I could settle into a family life with loving family around me.

I've really felt that I've given all I can give to this relationship, I work hard at home to make it nice, I go out of my way to be hospitable and friendly and for the longest time I didn't have confidence in my ability to make and keep friends, but I'm going out more and I've noticed that actually, friends are quite easy to make...I may not glamorous or amazing, but the people I meet do genuinely want to be friends with me.

I do have support from neighbors and friends--and my own family in the UK, which I never thought I would have, but nothing from my Sil. Mil is coming today to help with DS while I finish some revision and she has taken holiday on Monday to help out with DS, so I do think she at the very least cares about my husband and DS...and she did offer to help pack up my kitchen last week so I could study.

Mil may not like me, but she doesn't make me feel like I'm burdening her too much, I do have to schedule visits and ask for help but I think it's fair. Mil and other family members have made pointed remarks about us not including Sil in our lives or DS's life...which is why I chase after her so much.

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GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 08:37

Notsure

 yes, at first it was a complete brick wall when it came to socializing with family. However, I've worked hard at inviting people over slowly--calling everyone to see how they are. Especially since DS was born, I really really tried to include everyone in our little family because I cannot believe that his family truly hate me. I don't know if I should give up, but it's just truly horrible to think I can be hated without being known. I really like me! 

I see how much contempt my Sil and the Oldest cousin have for me...and some relatives ignore me all together, but some call back to check on us and are starting to invite us around. Fil's side of the family have been incredibly inclusive (holidays/birthdays/visits just to visit).

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NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 08:40

A few things here. I think it is normal for you to refer to your home/birth country as 'my' country. This doesn't imply that you are not integrated to the life here. It's just that it is the place where you grew up, where your family is and where you probably still have close friends (I know I do).

Re your SIL, I would just say 'I would love her to be more involved. She is welcome in my house and in my dc's life.' And then leave it to her to come to you. You can do as much invitations as you want, it won't work if she doesn't want to. She might actually feel you are putting too much pressure or inviting her 'just because you need her and not because you want to see her' if she coming to do some babysitting.
Neutral gound like going out together to a park/museum... might be a better bet.
I would also try and tackle one thing at the time. Separate issues. Your MIL, SIL, family all have their own reasons to act like this and it will easier to see it as separate issues than one big problem 'DH family'.

NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 08:41

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NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 08:44

Why is your DH not inviting his family around???
Why is you who is doing all the running?

TBH, my DP has little relation with my family (language is an issue bt the AS is even more an issue there) but will always be invited to family events on my side.
I hardly contact DP family but he is contact with them and we go and see them together. However, I can count on my fingers the times when I saw my SIL wo my DP.
Could your DH family be similar ie not very close?

GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 08:55

notsure
good idea. I think I will just break it down and deal with individual issues--it all seems to be the same problem with different people in the family, it would be best to deal with it this way.

As far as Sil, I just feel so hurt and offended by her yesterday (she came to babysit yesterdayI asked her to come two weeks agoso she had plenty of opportunity to back out). To be fair though, I just don't think I have the energy to ever deal with her again; I think I'll just leave the socializing up to her and if she wants to see DS and H she can make plans with H.

I am absolutely distraught over the lack of ability to communicate with my H. He didn't tell me he had AS when we met, or even after we married. I honestly thought we were just in a happy normal relationship and he didn't care about the way his family treated me, although he did say he could see how strangely they treated me.

I don't want a lengthy showdown or explosive confrontation, but a part of me would like my H to just to ask out rightly why Oldest cousin and Sil treat me this way.

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