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GlitterPunk · 28/04/2012 21:07

Background: My husband and I have been together for 10 years, married for almost 6. We have a DS who is 3.5 yr old who has Autism. Our DS does have language, but only speaks to people he has bonded with.

I'm from another country and moved to the UK after we married. Since I've moved here, my husbands family have not been the most welcoming. We've been left out of family events for years and when we go to dinner at his parents house I am left out of conversations.

Husbands sister and oldest cousin both feel like I've caused a rift between H and his Mother. Both treat me like a chore/obligation and really make a show of how precious their time is when I'm present. I don't know if Mil currently feels the same way, but Fil did for a while until his side of the family took a chance at building a relationship with us. We get on okay and they do find me reasonable.

I do try to engage with Mils family and call to see how they are, I thought things were getting better lately as they've been extending dinner invitations--on days they know we cannot make (we're moving house and I have exams for a Masters course that I'm doing).

Because I am in the middle of exams, and the house is being packed up, I asked my Sil two weeks ago to come babysit my DS. She often complains that he doesn't speak to her and I've repeatedly explained that because they haven't bonded, he won't speak to her until she is a more consistent part of his life. To be honest though, she's never made much of an effort and I do chase after her. I only do this because she complains to everyone about DS's lack of enthusiasm around her...and she babysits all the other kids in the family that are around his age. Some of them once a week. It hurts my husband to see her not make the effort with his own son.

So today, while DS was running around Sil looks up at me and says: "I've been busy all week, I'm really tired...this isn't fun for me and there isn't much I can do with him, he's uncommunicative." The tone she said it with though, was just full of disgust, even DS made a face at hearing her words. Since DS was in the room, I told her it was just that he needed more time with her and if she wasn't feeling well, I was happy to take over.

...But I felt like the biggest chore, I felt like there is no place for me in this family and there is certainly no place for my DS. Husband has acknowledged seeing the way I am treated within his family, and he see's how hard I try for everyone's sake, but he refuses to do anything about it.

If we were in my country, no one in my family would dare treat him like an obligation, even if they felt it. My sister lives with us to help with DS while she is studying here; she has never ever felt like we are an obligation and she has cared for and loved my DS as if he was her own. She loves my husband as well...and has never treated him with any contempt.

Whilst speaking of my feelings about this to my husband, he ran out of the room screaming because he thinks I want him to cut off ties with his family. That is not what I want, I just want to be treated fairly. I don't think it's fair for family to speak badly about me, or make fun of my sons disability without knowing us--and I also don't think it's nice of them to keep alienating us. They left us out of events even before DS was born...slowly though, while I make an effort towards the extended family, I think some of them may be changing their mind about me.

I just don't know what to do about a Sil who hates me and disregards my DS because of his Autism, or a husband who cannot communicate with me.

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GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 09:06

When we first got married I honestly thought he would be the one to be in touch with his family--but he never got in touch with him.

For example, a month into our marriage I was quite lonely so decided to have a dinner party...since I didn't have anyone's number I told H to invite the family. The day came, and no one attended and I had done all this cooking for no reason...and it was because H hadn't called anyone.

They claim to be close, and some parts of the family are closer than others.

H can go months without speaking to his mother, but then I get calls about why I'm keeping him from her. He's not good at keeping in touch with anyone. His mother calls him every two days because he forgets. My own family would go crazy if I didn't speak to them every single day. I don't speak to all of them everyday, but there is some sort of contact--be it text message, email or phone call.

At times, I don't think he even loves me because he can't communicate with me about things that are going on. I feel disconnected.

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NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 09:14

Welcome to the AS world... :(
It is hard I know. I feel just as disconnected as you. The best decription of how I feel is the title of a book 'Alone together'.

What you have to remember is that he is still the same person you fell in love with whether he told you about the AS or not. Having a label hasn't changed him.
And learning as much as possible about AS also helps because it does put things into perspective.

GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 09:18

Notsure

:) thank you for the hug..I really needed it. 

 I do love him, I just don't know if he loves me back--he says he does, but it's just such a single sided relationship.
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Becaroooo · 29/04/2012 09:27

Its seems your issue is really your H tbh and how he relates to his family and how that affects on you.

Sad

Stay and be unhappy and not feel loved or leave.

I think they are the choices.

Him "running screaming from the room" when you try and have a conversation is a big red flag for me, sorry. Can you see yourself - and your son - putting up with that for another 20/30 years?

GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 09:45

I'm afraid that my son will turn out with similar tendencies.

H is a good father, and when his family isn't involved we have a fun and flirty relationship that does keep me happy, I am still very attracted to him and can't think about being without him; but you're right Becaroooo I can't continue with the alienation and the lack of support in hostile situations from the one person I'm supposed to be able to count on for the rest of my life.

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NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 10:18

Becaroo, her DH has AS. His running away screaming is part of AS. So is the not telling his family about the meal (he prob didn't get that he was supposed to ring them) etc...
So is the 'not feeling loved'.

They are not red flags as in flags of abusive behaviour.

You can develop a loving relationship in an AS/NT relationship and I am sure that the OP is loved. Just the way he shows it sin't always obvious.

It does mean though that the realtionship you have isn't the one you would have with NT people. It's neither good not bad. It's different. What the Op has to do is to see if she would be happy with that sort of relationship.
It is very different though from the issue she has with her H's family even though the situation is prob made more difficult by the AS, and the possible AS of other people.

NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 10:21

Glitter if your H has AS, I would stop thinking he should be there to support you emotionally and or emotional situation. He won't be able to.

And you son will not turn out like him because he is living with him. He will be what he will because of his autism. You won't be able to change that.

Sorry :(

PooPooInMyToes · 29/04/2012 11:24

I would concentrate on the members of the family who you get on with and not worry about the rest. It sounds like the way they behave is quite alien to you but some families are just like that. Try not to take it personally and carry on building friendships as you have been doing.

I have problems with my own inlaws so i just let them get on with it. I've made a lot of effort over the years and they have continued to treat us badly. I never understood it but have come to realise that its the way they are and not actually anything to do with us. I am polite when i see them but apart from that have backed off. We don't get any help from them with our children which is something they do for each other but not us. I found this very hard to deal with for a long time, but in the end they are the ones missing out.

Which part of the UK are you in?

Its very strange that he didn't invite anyone to the dinner party you organised! You must have felt shit when no one turned up! When did he admit that he hadn't even invited them?

Do you think the same thing might be happening regarding invites from his family? I mean do you think they invite you via him so you never get the invites?

GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 12:15

I live in London. Moving tomorrow, but will still be in London.

As far as the first dinner party, that evening he pretended like he had invited everyone, It took him a few months to admit he forgot. I felt horrible the day of the party because I had really really wanted to welcome them and make them apart of my lifeI honestly wanted to be part of this family. I had just moved here, and finished universityI had only just gotten married, I wanted so much for a happy transition.

As far as the invitations--well, after the dinner party situation, I did politely call around and give my number and contact information and invited everyone over separately. Then a year later I was pregnant with DS so did have another dinner to try to get things started for my babys sake.

We just don't get invited to anything. I check H's phone just to make sure there aren't any important messages that he needs to return and there is never anything on there.

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PooPooInMyToes · 29/04/2012 13:35

That's awful. So he left you thinking everyone had snubbed you for months rather then admit he had made a mistake!

I wouldn't for a minute trust anything he says in relation to invites from his family ever again! Perhaps he deletes the texts or perhaps they ask him on the phone. Perhaps they don't ask at all but i don't see how you can be sure.

I wonder if he doesn't tell you about invites because he himself doesn't want to go. Do you think that is possible?

amberlight · 29/04/2012 14:58

I'm going to disagree that people with AS can't support others. We can. But we have to learn the rules for it, and we have to want to do that learning. And people have to accept that we're going to be a bit clumsy with it...as we can't see the body language or use the body language that 'softens' words.

Me, I've never run screaming out of a room in my life, and neither has DH (both autistic). We talk sensibly about problems, we have a family, we run a business together. I know any number of others on the autism spectrum who can be sensible loving caring members of a family too - in a sometimes clumsy way.

So good training is vital. Is he willing to learn how to be a decent dh or not? That's the big question. The autism charities can help point adults to good resources for this.

GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 15:06

He seems to really love his family, so I don't think he would ignore the dinner invitations. He loves the ease of being around them, he loves them.

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GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 15:16

I wish I was loved as much.

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ThatsNotAKnifeThatsASpoon · 29/04/2012 15:17

I think your expectations are too high. Your DH is your link with your in laws. If he is not close with them, ie doesn't stay in regular enough contact to be invited to events, then by default you will not be close to the rest of the family. Your DH may just prefer it that way, no matter how close he professes to be to them.

It's nice that you've tried to be inclusive (dinner party) but I think you may be trying too hard & getting disappointed when the extended family still don't seem to take to you. Sometimes that's just the way it is, you are not blood & never will be. I'm sorry but maybe you should focus on the family & friends you do have around you to support you.

Your priority should be deciding if you can live with your marriage with your husband's disability. Ignore the issues with your inlaws - it's very much a side issue.

GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 15:17

amberlight

to be fair, he did run out of the room after I kept trying to talk about my feelings, and all he could say was "I know you're sad--I'm upset too." but thats all he could say, it's practically scripted. He doesn't know what to say when I've become upset as a result of something Sil or Oldest cousin have said.

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Mrsasp · 29/04/2012 15:42

I go to a monthly support group for the partners of those with AS. It's in East London; please PM me if you'd like details. It's a bunch of lovely supportive women who know what you're going through. It can be very isolating living with a partner with AS.

Becaroooo · 29/04/2012 21:07

notsure My dh and ds1 have AS, so I have a pretty good idea what glitter is going through. By my "red flag" comment I didnt mean OP was being abused, I meant that her Dh's attitude, the lying, the running out of rooms screaming would make me think VERY carefully as to whether it was worth continuing in the relationship.

For a relationship to work, whether AS or NT both parties need to feel loved, cared for, trusted and respected. I dont think the OP does.

I have my own issues with my dh over this and there are no easy answers.

I am sorry you are going through this OP.

Its so wrong to be married and yet feel completely alone. I know. x

NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 21:18

Its so wrong to be married and yet feel completely alone
Snap! :(

Becaroo, sorry I suppose I've seen too many threads on here where one was saying that their partner has AS and then people pilling up saying no it's abuse....

Re feeling cared for and respected... it is a hard one because with my DP, the way he will show his care and love might not be obvious to me. And his respect sometimes goes out of the window when he is under too much stress/tension.
In situation like this, he wouldn't have gone out of the room screaming. He would have stayed silent and walked out of the room or taken a magazine and started to read, ie found a way to stop it all and take himself out of a very uncomfortable situation.

Becaroooo · 29/04/2012 21:23

Yes.

I can relate to that notsure

Sadly, I am at the stage now (not sure how long OP or you have been married?) where I have been with dh for 17 years, married for 13 and I am tired.

Just tired.

Not sure I can do it for another 13 years tbh.

I have to concentrate on me (my health has been awful this past year) and the dc.

I love him. But I am not sure I can be a "carer" for the rest of my life which I have realised, admittedly rather belatedly, is what I am.

NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 21:31

We've been together for nearly 20 years...

Never thought about it as being a carer but it does have a lot of similarities....

Something big is missing for me at the moment and this getting more and more obvious. Perhaps because the dcs are older and I have more time to think about it. The something is emotional connexion. And this will not happen.

TBH I am amazed at people like amber and would love my DP to have the same attitude and to want to learn to do things differently. I would him to know how to support me emotionally.
Instead when I am feeling down and I am asking for a cuddle, I can see him looking afar, not really there or rather as if he would prefer to be somewhere else. I have told him/explained in the past but it just doesn't seem to sink in. So I've stopped asking for cuddles as I am finding too hurtful.

Becaroooo · 29/04/2012 21:36

I think its incredibly difficult for dh as I have been, albeit unconsiously, enabling him to behave the way he does.

In lots of ways.

By doing everything. By letting him carry on the same even after we had dc. By letting him go into another room of look at magazines when we have company.

He finds change very, very hard.

NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 21:49

But sometimes it's easier too.
It's easier for me to let DP go and read a magazine on his own when we are at my parents. Especially as they do like 'big discussions' about any subjects under the sun. Exactely the sort of things that DP loads.

It's easier not to say when little things are annoying me because if I do, they become big issues (takes everything personnally).

When my energy was scarce, taken all up by looking after 3 young dcs, it wasn't worth it.

Becaroooo · 29/04/2012 21:54

Yes.

But dont you sometimes just want a "normal" conversation/trip/holiday?

I am dreading our next trip...he has already got a folder of "stuff" he wants me to look through and will plan our time to the minute Sad

I bet not many other new brides spent their honeymoon traipsing round european model railway shops...Sad

NotSureICanCarryOn · 29/04/2012 22:07

Railways .... No comment on that....

Dp doesn't plan, or at least not with the folder thingy etc... He just chooses the right location so that when we go and look at the local attraction, it happens to be about ... trains! (or about his other big interest!).

On the other side, he didn't want to go and see my family at christmas because you need to take a plane and 'it would be too busy' and he 'doesn't like X airport' Confused. Never mind we knew that was the last opportunity for me to see my gran.
Having that spelt out very clearly to him, he was really upset. Even more upset to be told, he could stay at home if he wanted. And completely stressed out by the idea of an airplane trip at a very time of the year. How we finally manged to agree to all go and to have a relatively relaxed trip, I have no idea!

by the way, what is a 'normal' trip? I think I have forgotten what it means..

GlitterPunk · 29/04/2012 22:08

No, we were homeless for our honeymoon. His mother or his sister reported his cards stolen and they were cancelled. I had just transferred all of my money into his account--I was going to keep it there until we reached London and then I would open my own account here...unfortunately we were taken off our plane because my visa application to the UK had also suggested I was coming to the UK (from America) to work illegally.

2 weeks, in Los Angeles--homeless with 17 pieces of luggage...I thought that if I made it through that alive, this marriage would be rock solid.

The crap I've been through by the hands of my inlaws really grates me, the lack of support I find in this marriage breaks my heart and now looking at DS and seeing that they may not be any nicer to him really scares me.

I don't know how I'll get Husband to actually care about me. He thinks if he tells me he loves me, and gives me what I want--then I'll be happy.

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