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In laws just not making the effort...

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lizzywig · 17/04/2012 19:53

DH & SIL have never had the best relationship with their Dad. The day after DH was born his mum was admitted to hospital for an extreme version of PND, would acknowledge DH, didn't know who he was, so his grandparents looked after him until she came out of hospital (his Dad just didn't know what to do with a newborn), then when DH was about a year old his parents were pregnant with my SIL. Before she was born his Dad left their mum for her best friend - seems that they'd been having an affair behind her back. Their mum was back in hospital with depression and this over the years turned into numerous psyc hospital stays, ELC and all sorts of treatment, eventually diagnosing bipolar which was never properly medicated. When DH & SIL were little their Dad would ask to have them at weekends purely so him and his new wife (their mums friend) could say to the council they needed a house. When they got their house they no longer saw the children - their mum let it happen because she was really mentally unwell. Over the years they saw their Dad at family events and that was about it, he just didn't really bother with them very much. But he's their Dad and to them he is all they have because a few years ago their mum died, due to hospital neglect she walked out in a daze (too many meds, no supervision) and got lost and was found dead in a field. When she died their Dad promised to step up but three years later and we're still waiting.

I said to DH that if he started making more of an effort himself then maybe his Dad would too. Nothing. He would call him once or twice a week for a chat to either get no answer, a conversation cut short or his wife saying that he wasn't home or (my favourite) "in bed with a bad back" (because everyone knows how hard it is to talk when you have a bad back). He would try to arrange to meet up to only get cancellations. We suspect that his wife may be a contributing factor as they now have their own family and she comes across as quite controlling - yet I can't quite believe any woman would sway her man enough not to see his children.

DD was born last November and since then he has seen her twice (he lives 8 miles away). This concerns us because we want her to have a happy relationship with her grandfather (and abeit it is strained with his wife her too) and quite frankly to know who he is. DH had a chat with his Uncle and told him how he felt and his Uncle had a chat to DH's Dad and basically said "you've always been rubbish with your kids but now is the time to man up and be thankful for what you have". So finally one of DH's phone calls was returned and we met up with his Dad and wife (this was the 2nd time they saw DD), it was quite strained but we persisted and asked to meet up with them again. He said....email me. So we emailed him with some potential dates and agreed this coming Saturday. We said perhaps a picnic at the park but he said no that we should go to his mums (DH's Nan) so we could meet in a mutual place (I kid you not).

DH has been trying to get hold of his Dad for the last week to arrange a time and is not getting a response at all and he has tried A LOT (including good old facebook which he can see he has been onto). We bumped into his Nan a couple of days ago and she knew nothing about it so we made arrangements with her but still haven't been able to get hold of his Dad.

I basically said he's a grown man and shouldn't need chasing and why don't we just wait and see how it plays out, so DH isn't going to contact him now and will see if his Dad does make an effort. What would you do? Should we be trying harder?

In addition DH doesn't want his Dad to be so rubbish with DD. So what would you do? I know you can never have too many grandparents but will she even know who he is apart from by looking at photos?

DH talks about not bothering with him anymore, but it's his Dad you know and I just want to give him a big old slap (or talking to!) to get him to see sense. I'm fed up too because I hate seeing DH go through this.

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mumblechum1 · 17/04/2012 19:56

Honest answer?

I'd leave it. His dad has made it pretty obvious that he's not interested in your dh/you/your dc, and you can't force him to.

clam · 17/04/2012 19:59

I think you've tried as hard as you can, but it's clear that it's time to let it go. He's just not interested. Some people aren't. He never has been, really, and even less so now. You can't make him into something he's not, just to satisfy your notion of what a loving dad or grandfather should be.
Sorry.

Nanny0gg · 17/04/2012 20:00

I'm sorry, he's not interested and it will only cause more hurt if you persist in trying to create a relationship that isn't and never has been there.
Does your DH have a good relationship with the rest of his family? If so, cultivate that and let his father get on with it.

LunaticFringe · 17/04/2012 20:03

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squeakytoy · 17/04/2012 20:05

I am sorry, but you really cannot force people to do something that they have no interest in doing.

How old is your FIL? Does your husband have any contact with his half siblings?

birdsofshoreandsea · 17/04/2012 20:15

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oldqueenie · 17/04/2012 20:40

he sounds a selfish arse. you can't MAKE him into a nice person / parent just by wishing it was so. it sounds as though he was a crap parent to your poor dh. why is it likely he would be a lovely gp?

lizzywig · 17/04/2012 20:41

Thanks everyone. This is how I have been feeling, we don't want to force the issue, it's just one last big push so we know we've made the effort. I need to know that if we did leave the issue that we had done everything that we possibly could do. The irony is, when we do see him he seems to have a really good time, at the start it's often strained but I think he knows he's been hopeless and so it's awkward. If I'm honest it's makes me angry and I don't want to bother but I don't want to let my blinkered feelings effect DH and DD if there is something salvagable. This is why I felt the need for a second opinion, to know if I have every right for feeling like this or if I'm being unreasonable.

Birds - I think it's just another reason in a long line of reasons. The back one comes up a fair bit, as does "he's upstairs so can't talk", "he's not in" (when we hear him) and then on Christmas Eve his daughter came over to drop off a DVD and we later found out he'd been in the car and just couldn't quite make it to the front door. Not to mention no card or present or even a letter wishing DD merry christmas.

Squeaky He only sees his step sister and half brothers when he sees his Dad, he says to me that they don't feel like siblings. His Dad is in his mid 40's.

Nanny Relationship with his Nan and aunts, uncles & cousins on his Dads side is good, we all get on very well and they care very much about DH and DD.

So if we did stop trying to make the effort then how should we handle family gatherings when he's bound to be there? Just thinking of DD here...

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longjane · 17/04/2012 20:43

what about start a realationship with the half brothers and sisters though face book etc

oldqueenie · 17/04/2012 20:44

what's to handle? he's her gp and she will know him as such... she won't have any expectations of what a gp should be like. it'll be up to him what he makes of the opportunity to have a relationship with her.... or not.

Nanny0gg · 17/04/2012 20:45

Be civil.
That's enough.

NatashaBee · 17/04/2012 20:52

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PooPooInMyToes · 17/04/2012 20:52

You're expecting this man to be something he is never going to. I actually don't understand why you think he will suddenly change. He's been a rubbish dad his whole life and now you think he is going to miraculously change!

Its sounds like you have been the one pushing this (where you told you're husband that he should make more effort) and i really don't think you should have.

Firstly because you're husband is not the one who needed to make the effort and you suggesting he should makes it sound as though its his responsibility to make his dad want to care about him. And secondly because to see his dad can't be bothered must be extremely painful for him.

I realise you have a vision of the perfect family in your head and that includes a paternal grandfather, but you picked the wrong family for that. You shouldn't be bashing your husband over the head with it. Its not his fault. Your need for the family you imagine shouldn't come at the cost of your husbands self worth. His dad repeatedly rejecting him is going to be chipping away at that.

only4tonight · 17/04/2012 20:57

It took me a long time to realise inlaws just didn't care. Not one, both of them. It's hard because Dd is our whole world and anyone without her in theirs is missing out. But the reality is you can't change other people no matter how much you want to, and at the end of the day it really is their loss.

Dd has so many people on her life that love her unconditionally, 2 that don't give a toss are neither here nor there. Blood ties aren't everything.

oikopolis · 17/04/2012 21:03

OP definitely back off from this guy. not everyone is cut out to be a parent, let alone a grandparent.

your DD won't know the difference. i never knew either of my grandfathers one had passed away and the other was feckless and it really didn't make any difference to me. all i cared about was the people who WERE in my life iyswim.

at family gatherings, just be polite and pleasant. no need to feel uncomfortable or like you're doing something wrong.

i think you might want to educate yourself a bit on what toxic parents are like and how they affect adult children. you really really really shouldn't be pressuring your DH to spend time with a parent who's been shitty to him and is now clearly not concerned with him in any way.

BonnieBumble · 17/04/2012 21:10

I never met my paternal grandparents, I didn't even realise that I had any until they passed away when I was an adult. I knew my maternal grandmother, we stayed with her a couple of times a year for holidays, I knew she loved me but we never really spent time with each other iyswim.

About 10 years ago my sil said that she was unhappy with the relationship her children were having with both her mother and mil (my mum) she wanted the grandparents to participate in activities with the children, she used baking cakes as an example, I think she was wrong to raise this as an issue, you can't force your own expectations onto other people.

My children have a different relationship with each of their grandparents. It would be nice if they saw them more and did more with them but that isn't how things have turned out for various reasons and I wouldn't dream of speaking to the grandparents about it. Ds speaks fondly of his grandparents and looks forward to seeing them, he knows that they love him even if the relationship isn't that close.

tribpot · 17/04/2012 21:20

if there is something salvagable.

There isn't. Let the guy go - he hasn't got it in him to be either a parent or a grandparent and you and DH will only hurt yourselves trying to make yourselves believe he can do it.

He doesn't sound like the type to be at family gatherings anyway but I don't think if you just keep it neutral but distant your dd will really pick up on anything.

I said to DH that if he started making more of an effort himself then maybe his Dad would too.

The guy used a child - his own child - who was in a staggeringly vulnerable home situation to blag himself a council house. Nuff said.

lizzywig · 17/04/2012 21:24

Poopoo I can promise you this really couldn't be further from the truth. Perhaps that's how I made it sound but it's really not like that. DH is the one who wants his Dad to have a relationship with DD (I am just supporting him and in an ideal world I would obviously love it too), he tells me every day that he wishes and wants his Dad would be there more. He asked me what to do as he had stopped trying so much with his Dad. I suggested that he call once or twice a week in the hope that if his Dad saw he was trying then he in turn would try too. Is that too much of an old fashioned concept? I also said to him that if it didn't work then at least he would know that he had tried. When I think about the way he has treated DH and SIL I don't want him anywhere near them....but that's not my choice to make. All I can do is love and support DH and help him when he asks for my help. I don't want to change their Dad, I just want to know that we've tried. This whole situation, dealing with in laws, being a parent is a totally forgein concept to me and having been lucky enough to have been raised in a very loving family I have no idea how to deal with this. It's hard to see DH be so upset about his Dad yet constantly trying to get a relationship with him and all I'm trying to do is support him when in reality I haven't got the foggiest how to.

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PooPooInMyToes · 17/04/2012 21:24

I forgot about the council house! The fact that this man knew his ex wife was seriously mentally ill and his children were in an awful position and at risk and just fucked off and didn't help in any way, tells you everything you need to know about him. Its not even about being a good parent, just a decent person.

PooPooInMyToes · 17/04/2012 21:28

Just seen your more recent post.

In all honestly i think the best way to help him is to tell him that you think he is worth more then the way his dad has treated him. That he doesn't have to put him self through that. And then pop along to the Drs with him and get him referred for counselling to try to undo some of the damage that was undoubtedly done during his childhood. If he is willing to try that of course.

tribpot · 17/04/2012 21:37

I suggested that he call once or twice a week in the hope that if his Dad saw he was trying then he in turn would try too. Is that too much of an old fashioned concept?

But this is not a functional relationship that has just slipped out of regular use, like two old college friends who've lost touch over the years, this is a highly dysfunctional relationship. It is quite understandable that your DH, overwhelmed with love for his first child, is wondering how in the name of holy hell his own father can have failed so spectacularly, and wanting redemption for the child he once was.

PooPoo is right, though - he would be better off channeling his efforts into counselling to make sense of his childhood experiences, than exposing himself to further rejection from the guy who can't be arsed answering the phone to him. Why should he show his dad he's trying? His dad should be down on his friggin knees begging for your DH's forgiveness.

PooPooInMyToes · 17/04/2012 21:45

Yeah, trying implies he has something to make up for.

only4tonight · 17/04/2012 22:12

I think the suggestion of constantly calling is a bad one. It just keeps setting him up to be let down again. As I said, you can't change someone who doesn't want to be changed. The best advice is to accept the situation as it is and learn to live with it and move on.

In life there is you and the world. If its not working and you have unsuccessfully tried to change the world, all that's left is to change yourself and the way you see it.

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