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So he didn't 'cheat' but he may as well have done. He wants me to stay but I don't think this can be fixed. (Another long one).

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BeenLiedToB4 · 05/04/2012 00:11

I posted recently about my suspicions re H and an OW and got some helpful replies. Well I decided to confront him and have confirmed now that he has not had an affair, but he has sent a series of inappropriate, explicit texts to this woman telling her that if he didn?t love his wife so much he would do [xxx] to her and wouldn't she be up for it too. She did not reciprocate, although she graciously accepted his apology and agreed to forget all about it. He says he instantly regretted it. This seems to have happened a few months ago. Since then he has tried quite hard to meet her for coffee. She's been very friendly to him (in a chirpy, non-flirty way) but seems to have avoided an actual meeting.

I only unearthed this because I checked his phone, and also because frankly he is quite bad at concocting stories and I am pretty sharp at seeing through them. I knew he was still lying and got most of the details about the texts by posing as him and asking the woman he targeted. It appears that he actually believes his own lies as it was his suggestion that I text her and ask her using his phone, to 'prove' that he was telling the truth - of course her replies proved instantly he had lied and was still lying (first he pretended there had been no such texts, then that there had only been one).

In the first year of our marriage (5 years ago) I discovered that his porn use, which I knew about because at first he didn't hide it from me, had escalated into sex chat rooms, looking on dating sites, and text/phone sex services. He denied the blatant evidence until I threatened to leave. I still nearly kicked him out and he was terrified of losing me.

After that we had some counselling (not a great counsellor though), and he did a lot of things to show his commitment to stopping. I asked him to be honest with me about any relapses and I think (thought?) he had been - there have been a few minor relapses, as well as months and months without using. He has talked to me about the fact that he feels unable to control these compulsive behaviours and wishes that he could stop.

In spite of this we have been happy together throughout our relationship, have always had a good and active sex life, read each others' thoughts, make each other laugh, spend lots of time together and now have a DC, 18mo, to whom he is a lovely dad. I've always thought he was my best friend, and I love him very much. That's why I was prepared to give him another chance 5 years ago despite the betrayal and the lying that went with it.

He knew very well that this second chance was conditional upon complete honesty going forward. Yet he lied about these text messages when I confronted him, and he only gave a partial disclosure when I said only the whole truth would save our relationship. Presumably he has become sexually fixated on this woman, a former colleague, and targeted his compulsive behaviour at her. Luckily for all involved she was sensible enough not to take up his advances. It seems to me that it is her integrity, not his respect for me, which has prevented a potential 'real life' infidelity.

He says it was one stupid drunken mistake, that it was only a text, that he never had any intention of acting further on it and regretted it immediately, that he loves me more than anything in the world, can't live without me blah blah etc. and has sobbed, begged and pleaded for me not to go. I don't see it as a single mistake. I am distraught about losing him. But I see it as absolutely shattering the very fragile trust he had managed to win back from me since the last 'round'. He says he will do whatever it takes. But what will it take? The good stuff is still good, but it feels like the never-knowing-whether-he's-telling-the-truth will cast a long, cold shadow over it all. Not to mention that it hurts like fuck that he said such intimate things to another woman. He's not a con artist, he's too easy to see through. But how can he love me and yet have such complete disregard for my feelings? I'm starting to doubt everything about him. he seems to think this is a game and is bitter that I 'won' this time by being wiley enough to dig up the truth. I feel there's no going back, no moving forward except by separating.

Would you leave for this? Or is it salvageable on the basis of the love that's still there?

Don't know why I'm asking really, I think I know the answer. Just clutching at straws and wanting to believe it?s not as hideous as it really is. :(

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LemonTurd · 05/04/2012 03:53

Don't know why I'm asking really, I think I know the answer Yes, I think you do :(

He sounds like a compulsive liar. I know it hurts, but the only reason he didn't have an affair is because this woman knocked him back.

What are your circumstances? Do you own/rent a house together? Do you WOH?

bushymcbush · 05/04/2012 04:26

Feel so Sad for you, but I don't think there's a way back from here. He has crossed the line and you will never build up that trust again. Be strong. If you stay, it will happen again.

allgoodindahood · 05/04/2012 04:57

My exh lied ALL the time. Even in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary. His mates knew the truth about his cheating of course and I found it so insulting that he thought he could decide what info I should or shouldn't know about my life and marriage. In the end I decided that I couldn't live with not knowing what on earth he would do next. Some people are just liabilities and my life Is so much better without all the drama

I'm so sorry that you're going thru this. Sometimes its easier in a strange way when they do something so bad that you have no choice but to leave, than having to make these hard decisions

lifechanger · 05/04/2012 06:58

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RnB · 05/04/2012 07:26

This is really shit for you, but I agree with the others than things are highly unlikely to change. Get out now before he destroys your confidence

EggyFucker · 05/04/2012 07:43

Yes, I woud leave for this

How many chances do you think he will throw in your face ? How many are you preapared to give him ?

He is utterly stupid, and will bring you down with him. Pity the next woman he moves onto.

Panamama · 05/04/2012 07:50

"he seems to think this is a game and is bitter that I 'won' this time by being wiley enough to dig up the truth"

I really, really don't like the sound of this, on top of everything else. It just sounds like such an unhealthy perspective to have on things. He shouldn't view it this way. Wish I could offer a more perceptive comment then that, but it's a troubling dynamic to get stuck in- a "game" where he tries to do things and then gets rumbled and loses.

HateBeingCantDoUpMyJeans · 05/04/2012 07:51

You are asking because of exactly what you said, nothing physical happened. You are seeking permission tgat this is enough to end your marriage over. The truth is only you can say if it is a deal breaker, I think you are saying it is. It is scary and hard to make tgat decision.

Fwiw the fact he considers this a game and you have won this time doesn't sound promising for tge future to me.

BelleDameSansMerci · 05/04/2012 08:01

The man is a fool.

From your post it is clear that you're emotionally healthy with a good awareness and belief in your essential worth. I wish I were like you. I know you must be hurting but your strength and integrity shine through your words.

PeppaIsBack · 05/04/2012 08:03

Your Dh seems to have a big issue with porn/sexline/sending texts of sexual nature.
I would see it as an 'illness' (he says himself it is a compulsive behaviour) and don't think he will change unless he is willing to tackle that issue up front.
He knows that this is a deal braker for you so will be trying to hide at all costs.

What is his attitude re his behaviour? Does he think it's an OK thing to do? That you are overreacting? Or that he has a problem with porn? that his acts were completely out of control without talking of the fact that the woman in question was very levelled headed and could have complained to the police...?

fiventhree · 05/04/2012 12:04

Beenliedto, I do think this is a dealbreaker.

My own h has also done these things and we are where you were initially- ie it is a second chance, but there will not be another one after this.

I think that your h has not really dealt with his compulsions- that much is clear.

And he is still lying about it. Now, regardless of what that means for you (and I dont disregard it), this is a form of minimising that shows that he is unwilling to confront himself. He is not taking any responsibility.

So of course he is likely to do it again.

Awful for you, though, having given him that chance.

anychocswilldo · 05/04/2012 15:54

I don't think I could get past this, if the ow had been willing then he would have had an affair. The biggest problem despite him being a lying shit is that u have previously given him an ultimatum that u wouldn't stand for any more lying. If u go back on that I imagine ur life would b a misery! It would give him a green light to do what he liked free of consequences. It's ur call and I know u love him but u deserve better. So sorry ur in Such an awful situation op.

BeenLiedToB4 · 07/04/2012 21:06

Thank you so much to everyone who replied to this post, I realy appreciate it. Sorry for posting then disappearing, I've been dealing with the situation in RL. DS and I staying with family and H promises to be gone by the time I get back after Easter wkend.

He's a wreck, he has begged and begged and begged and I've said enough is enough. It has been so hard to stand my ground. I'm scared he'll do something to hurt himself. And DS keeps asking where Daddy is. FUCK fuck fuck.

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ellybett · 07/04/2012 21:24

I have no practical advice OP but I just wanted to say that any relationship the bare minimum you deserve is respect and the fact he seems to view the truth as a joke shows how little he understands the importance of respect. You owe to it yourself and your DS to not be in a relationship where you feel so belittled. I'm so Angry on your behalf you're being put through this and I'm so glad you have family to be with you during this time. Take care.

maleview70 · 07/04/2012 22:22

Of course he is begging. He has been caught....I agree that had she been up for it then he would have almost certainly been playing hide the sausage with her.

You gave him a chance, he blew it. Give him another and maybe it will be 3rd time lucky....and then again maybe it won't.

Cheaters only really find out the consequences of their actions when they pay the ultimate price as my exw found out.

He won't hurt himself. Just trying to make you feel guilty and sounds like he is succeeding!

BeenLiedToB4 · 07/04/2012 22:28

But why is he begging then? If he wanted this other woman why on earth is he so devastated that I'm leaving him? Is it all fake? It doesn't seem to be (and I did see through the other lies). But I don't know what to believe. it doesn't all square up. Sorry, I know no-one can really answer this.

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BeenLiedToB4 · 07/04/2012 22:29

Still struggling to process it all and need to stay strong and stick to my decision.

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maleview70 · 07/04/2012 22:45

He is begging because wanting to shag someone else doesn't necessarily mean you want to leave your partner. This is a particularly difficult thing for women to grasp at times because often a woman will be unfaithful because there is a problem in her relationship or her relationship is coming to an end.

A man doesn't need to be unhappy to do the same. I know one person who has cheated 3 times because the opportunity presented itself not because he didn't love his wife. He is still with her and she is completely oblivious. I know of others who have had flings on stag do's etc and are still playing happy families with their wives who havent got a clue.

His crime in his head was getting caught not what he was doing as if she ha been up for a bit, it would probably have been him that pulle away eventually. How many men leave their wives for their mistresses? A few yes but by no means the majority.

You have the choice now but don't think he will necessarily change because he didnt the first time!

Dozer · 07/04/2012 22:54

Run, run for the hills! Don't give him another 5 years.

your DS is v young and will be fine, can still see his dad etc.

Of course he is crying, looking a wreck, making you worry about him etc. Tears are for himself. All a standard part of the script (see other MN threads).

BeenLiedToB4 · 07/04/2012 23:13

That helps a bit, maleview, thanks.

He really seems to believe his own story that it was 'just one text'. He thinks he hasn't done anything that bad and seems to feel really sorry for himself. He keeps saying, 'but I haven't touched another woman in the 11 years we've been together'. Err, am I supposed to be super grateful about that? it's not a special favour, it's a standard part of the deal FFS.

He says he is taking full responsibility, but obviously with this kind of minimising he is not.

Yes, I deserve better. So why does it break my stupid heart?

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Nyac · 07/04/2012 23:16

He's begging because he wants his cake and to eat it too. He wants to be able to have a wife and family and spend his time indulging his sexual fantasies with you as a safety net.

Sorry he's causing you this hurt.

BeenLiedToB4 · 07/04/2012 23:19

bushy yes he has crossed a line and it because of that destroyed trust that I coudln't stay. As all posters have emphasised, I can't trust him not to repeat something similar or worse, once the real risk of me leaving fades from his memory.

RnB quite right it is already damaging my confidence. I feel he is a danger to my mental health and that's also why I can't stay. He makes me feel like I'm the one who's mad.

BelleDame Thank you so much for the kind things you said in your post. It makes me feel there is hope for me beyond this horrible ending to my marriage which I treasured so dearly. I hope you are right.

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BeenLiedToB4 · 07/04/2012 23:21

Nyac yes I think that's right. I want so much to believe it's because he loves me most and is devastated to lose me. But even if that's true it's too little too late now, isn't it.

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BeenLiedToB4 · 07/04/2012 23:30

Peppa I think you are spot on about seeing it as an 'illness' - this did help me to make sense of his behaviour and move on 5 years ago - because in his head, these behaviours have nothing to do with me. I've read up on sexual addiction and he absolutely fits the bill. But this is not an excuse, and sadly a lot of people with this problem only seem to get progressively worse. I gave it a good shot at living with it and we were ok, more than ok, for 5 years, but this recent turn of events represents more than a relapse, it is an escalation and I don't think I can live with it forever, it will destroy me.

I have told him that if he seeks highly specialised professional help while we are separated, and seriously invests in addressing these issues, I may reconsider - but I can't make any promises. He says he will only do this if I stay with him, otherwise there;s not point. I think this is just him trying to manipulate me.

I can't have him in the house because in a weak moment I will fall back into his arms/bed. I still love and want him too much.

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BeenLiedToB4 · 07/04/2012 23:31

Sorry for answering the thread backwards, not sure if earlier posters are even still here. But thanks everyone.

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