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Why does my friend do this?

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ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:26

I want to post about a friend of mine - she's one of my closest friends, I suppose. We've been friends for over twenty years. We used to live near each other but a few years ago she and her family moved about 45 miles away.

She works near me and has to commute, so sometimes she stays over. I always look forward to this. I live alone now my children are older and I look forward to her company.

The problem is this. When we're together (at her house or mine) and are talking, she talks constantly. She talks over me if I try to join in. Last night I tried six times (yes, I counted) to talk, because the conversation was actually about my children. Six times I started (when she paused for breath) to say things like, "What really concerns me" or "What I am really upset about" and "What really worries me" and she just starts to talk again. She obviously hasn't finished what she was saying, but by that point I'd waited perhaps twenty minutes. It's in no way obvious that she hasn't finished. It's as though she doesn't know when to stop.

There are 'normal' conversational punctuation points, aren't there? So if you talk over someone, you say, "Oh god, I'm sorry, I've had too much to drink. What was it that you're worried about?" Or even, god forbid, you don't actually speak until your friend has voiced her concerns.

When I'm talking to friends, I'm always saying things like, "Don't you think?" and will listen to their answer. I actually want to know. She never does this.

Now I have started to think of other things she does. I don't want to do this, but when I see her for a few hours nowadays, I feel my shoulders slump as yet again I try to join in on the conversation, only to be over-ridden. When I go to her house, she doesn't ever say 'hello.' Her husband does - we get along well. She is never downstairs when I get there - no matter what time. When she sees me, she'll say something like, "I'm just going to light the fire" or something - she never says, "Hi" or "How was the journey?" or "How are you?" And yes, I do say that sort of thing to her. She does answer when I do, so she's aware that it's normal to speak like that when first meeting.

Please don't say she doesn't want to see me. She counts me as her best friend. She asks if she can stay. I love her and care for her, but every time she stays or I stay, I end up going to bed and crying because she so clearly isn't interested in actually having a conversation.

Because I live alone, I love to talk to people. I have really questioned whether I am actually dominating the conversation and she is determined to speak. But yesterday we walked back from the pub (about 1.5 miles.) I asked her a question when we left the pub and she was still talking when we got home. I had tried to speak but wasn't successful.

Do you know anyone like this? If you do, how do you manage the friendship? All I can think is to retreat from her.

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ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:27

Sorry that's so long!

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LaDiDaDi · 30/03/2012 23:30

Has she always been like this?

LoopyLoopsIsTentativelyBack · 30/03/2012 23:30

I'm a bit like this. I have to try really hard to stop myself, I just have a lot to say! But I am aware and do try - perhaps she just needs telling?

PiedWagtail · 30/03/2012 23:33

Has she got Aspergers or similar? any other diagnoses? is she very shy and talks a lot to cover it? Or is she just very rude and a crashing bore?? If the latter, then I'd distance yourself. Talk to her dh - what does he say?

ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:35

She's always been like this if we've spent a lot of time just together, LaDiDaDi. If her husband's in the room, she's a bit more restrained.

Having said that, I know he's seen me get upset with it. He's heard me try to speak and eventually just sit back and say nothing. He's done nothing to stop it - I don't understand why.

Loopy, I was always worried about being like an aunt of mine, who is alone for about 23.5 hours per day. When she gets the chance to speak to someone, she blurts it all out. As I'm on my own (can spend all weekend without speaking to anyone, though that's a really bad weekend) I've worried about being like that. No chance with her! But that's what made me question whether I was in the wrong - that I shouldn't interrupt her. But I make sure that she's paused (for breath!) before I speak. It then becomes a few minutes of Mrs Doyle like conversation, before I give in. She never gives in - she'll just keep going, even when I was the first to speak.

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lisad123 · 30/03/2012 23:37

Of your good friends just "can you shut up and drink your wine do I can get a word in edge ways" Grin job done

ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:38

Pied, it's funny you mention Aspergers. I don't think she has, but last night I considered it for the first time.

When she comes to my house (I have a glass door) she doesn't look at me. She's always looking at the (non-existant) plants in the garden. I thought that was to be polite, ie not to stare through the glass. But when she comes in she doesn't say hello. She'll talk as though she's in the middle of a conversation. I have to interrupt her to say hello!

Having said this, obviously she doesn't talk constantly. We do have conversations, but they always end up with her being the only one talking.

She doesn't ask me any questions, ever. I have to just tell her things. When I've told her, she still doesn't ask.

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solidgoldbrass · 30/03/2012 23:39

Some people just can't stop talking. I doubt that it's a matter of her not wanting to see you - you are another pair of ears! If she's always been like this it's a part of her personality: maybe gentle pisstaking would help you feel a bit less steamrollered - 'Oi, friend, is your throat not sore from yapping yet?'

ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:39

Lisa, that's what it's like with my other friends. "Oy, mrs, I was talking" - that sort of thing. I just don't feel able to do that with her and I don't know why.

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ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:41

I don't tend to see her DH unless she's there - I couldn't trust him to be tactful. Lovely man, but not the most tactful person.

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Thingiebob · 30/03/2012 23:41

So has she always been like this and you are only just noticing?

If not, and this is something that has started to happen recently or over the past few years, perhaps there is something else going on. Often when people are suffering from depression or anxiety, they can become very self-obsessed and just talk about themselves. Levels of self scrutiny can increase and other people can be used as a sounding board without much thought for the impact.

fionabruise · 30/03/2012 23:42

I'd recommend you try and talk to her frankly about this. I had a friend like this and I didn't let her know how I felt and I just cut her out of my life but I regret it a bit now that I didn't let her know how I felt to see if we could resolve it.

PooPooInMyToes · 30/03/2012 23:42

Sounds like has has "something". I really don't think its personal.

My dad is like that in a lot of ways and i am sure he has an undiagnosed special need.

ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:42

Solid, with anyone else I could say that. But if someone doesn't let you speak you can assume she doesn't want to hear what you have to say. I feel a bit pathetic saying "Aren't you interested in what I have to say?" Yet I don't with other friends - can't work out why.

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ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:45

Thingiebob, she's always been like this, I think, but lately we've seen each other on our own, without other friends (and she is normal then) or family present. I don't think there's anything else going on - I think this is how she is and because I didn't spend a lot of time on my own with her, I didn't really notice. It's starting to smack of a social disorder, though. Who else could override what someone's saying several times - and notice the other person look crushed and forlorn and then angry - and do nothing about it?

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ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:46

Fiona, I really don't want to cut her out of my life, though already I've cut down. Sometimes I think of going to see her and then think, "What's the point?"

Yet I know she will always be there for me. I know she thinks I'm great. She's always backed me up.

I think it's a communication disorder.

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ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:47

PooPoo, that's what I think it is, too. What would happen if you spoke to your dad about it?

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marshmallowpies · 30/03/2012 23:49

Some people just get stuck in conversational loops, don't they?

When I talk with my oldest friend, our conversation always goes back round to her parents, her sister & various other related issues...we just can't get out of our childhood grooves of behaviour!

I also have another friend who talks endlessly about other people to deflect from herself: she is constantly trying to set people up & matchmake, regardless of suitability, and goes on endlessly about it. I do really now want her to change the subject every time it comes up but don't know how to!

So hard to know what to say without causing offence...or do you think your friend is so self-obsessed she wouldn't realise you were trying to tell her to shut up?

AwkwardMary · 30/03/2012 23:51

My mate is the same and we've been friends for thirty years now. (Oh myGOD I am old)

I have begun saying "Aaaand breathe!" to her....and "My God you'd talk the legs off a donkey!" and similar...and laughing of course...she is getting better.

ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:52

I think you're right about the conversational loops, though my friend doesn't have a favourite topic - she can talk about anything for as long as she wants!

I can't imagine myself saying something to her. It would sound cruel and (worse) pathetic. "Why don't you want to hear what I have to say?" etc.

I would like her husband to say, "FFS, Friend, IB has been trying to say something and you keep talking over her! Do you realise you've been talking for 1.5 hours?"

I would love that, but it's unlikely to happen.

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ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:53

But AwkwardMary, does you friend EVER ask you about yourself or what you think? Mine doesn't. If it's early on in the evening, she'll shut up whilst I tell her, but it's only now I realise she never, ever asks a question.

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ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:53

And you're probably as old as I am, so hush!

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bonnieslilsister · 30/03/2012 23:55

Hello imperial Grin Does she talk about anything personal to her? Is she trying to avoid close chat if it is worse when you are alone together?

Why don't you go and visit one of your nice sisters instead Grin

LaDiDaDi · 30/03/2012 23:55

I find it interesting that she is different when she is with other people. What is her pattern of communication likein a group?

ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:58

No, she doesn't avoid any topic of conversation, unfortunately!

She's more subdued in a group. Lets others talk. Quite likely to say nothing at all.

One time we were in the pub and a bloke she knows was chatting to me. He was asking me questions about myself and she answered every single one. In the end I sat back, totally fed up. He did say, "Why are you answering all of her questions? Can't she speak for herself?" She said nothing but looked offended. Next time we met him, it was the same.

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