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Why does my friend do this?

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ImperialBlether · 30/03/2012 23:26

I want to post about a friend of mine - she's one of my closest friends, I suppose. We've been friends for over twenty years. We used to live near each other but a few years ago she and her family moved about 45 miles away.

She works near me and has to commute, so sometimes she stays over. I always look forward to this. I live alone now my children are older and I look forward to her company.

The problem is this. When we're together (at her house or mine) and are talking, she talks constantly. She talks over me if I try to join in. Last night I tried six times (yes, I counted) to talk, because the conversation was actually about my children. Six times I started (when she paused for breath) to say things like, "What really concerns me" or "What I am really upset about" and "What really worries me" and she just starts to talk again. She obviously hasn't finished what she was saying, but by that point I'd waited perhaps twenty minutes. It's in no way obvious that she hasn't finished. It's as though she doesn't know when to stop.

There are 'normal' conversational punctuation points, aren't there? So if you talk over someone, you say, "Oh god, I'm sorry, I've had too much to drink. What was it that you're worried about?" Or even, god forbid, you don't actually speak until your friend has voiced her concerns.

When I'm talking to friends, I'm always saying things like, "Don't you think?" and will listen to their answer. I actually want to know. She never does this.

Now I have started to think of other things she does. I don't want to do this, but when I see her for a few hours nowadays, I feel my shoulders slump as yet again I try to join in on the conversation, only to be over-ridden. When I go to her house, she doesn't ever say 'hello.' Her husband does - we get along well. She is never downstairs when I get there - no matter what time. When she sees me, she'll say something like, "I'm just going to light the fire" or something - she never says, "Hi" or "How was the journey?" or "How are you?" And yes, I do say that sort of thing to her. She does answer when I do, so she's aware that it's normal to speak like that when first meeting.

Please don't say she doesn't want to see me. She counts me as her best friend. She asks if she can stay. I love her and care for her, but every time she stays or I stay, I end up going to bed and crying because she so clearly isn't interested in actually having a conversation.

Because I live alone, I love to talk to people. I have really questioned whether I am actually dominating the conversation and she is determined to speak. But yesterday we walked back from the pub (about 1.5 miles.) I asked her a question when we left the pub and she was still talking when we got home. I had tried to speak but wasn't successful.

Do you know anyone like this? If you do, how do you manage the friendship? All I can think is to retreat from her.

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Sposh · 31/03/2012 00:01

Does she have anxiety issues?

I ask because I do and sometimes it's much easier to slip into visitor mode if they're already there and I've been upstairs for a while (not long!)

Anxiety might also explain her talking over you. I've spent the last few years learning when I should shut up Grin I was a serial interrupter, I wasn't always, it started when I had kids. When my kids were very small I could barely get a sentence out without having to go and see to their needs and my best thoughts got lost in the melee, so for a while I blurted out what I needed to say when it came to me, it became a habit which I had to relearn. I'm getting there but it's taken years!

ImperialBlether · 31/03/2012 00:03

No, she really doesn't have anxiety issues. I think she may have self esteem issues and her talking is a way of bigging herself up a little - making herself seem more important.

I can't believe I've only just noticed that she never, ever asks me a question. I remember I was going on a date with someone I'd met online and she didn't ask how it went. Didn't want to know when I told her. That's not normal, is it?

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ImperialBlether · 31/03/2012 00:04

Grin @ Sposh. I think anyone who knows what they're doing wrong is absolutely fine! I know what you mean about the interruptions - I felt like I was demented for a while.

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toutpuissant · 31/03/2012 00:05

I can see myself in your friend. I know that I do this, can hear myself doing it, cringe inside when I do it but can't seem to stop.

For me I think it is related to social anxiety. Left to my own devices I would never see anyone at all but obviously I can't get away with that behavior so when I'm confronted with a social situation I have to 'switch on'. That means I have to become charming and witty and funny, and it also means I have to talk non-stop or else I will clam up and not be able to hold a normal conversation! I don't think it happens with people that I know well, in those situations I tend to be the listener, I am not nervous enough to be switched on so I basically have nothing to say.

Don't I sound lovely!

Most of my relationships at this point in life seem somewhat superficial so I feel like I am always being fake, and part of my fake persona is the non-stop talking.

I am not like that with my children!

tentative123 · 31/03/2012 00:06

I know someone like this. Once I nearly weed myself as she didn't give me a chance to say - oh just popping to the loo - for bout two hours. In the end I walked off mid stream (no pun.. Grin ). I say to her jokingly - hey let me get a word in, bug she truly believes I talk as myth as her trap throws it back at me. I do talk plenty but I like to think I understand how conversations work.

tentative123 · 31/03/2012 00:08

Oh dear - but, much, I dunno what I meant...

Been trying to settle a baby for 3 hours now, I want my bed!

toutpuissant · 31/03/2012 00:09

OK, caught up with the thread now and just read how she shows no interest in you. My DS was recently assessed for (and diagnosed with) Aspergers - I see many of the same traits in myself. The assessment of him was in the form of a conversation and at one point the psychologist started to tell him a story about a hike she had been on and how a bear had stepped out of the woods onto the trail, and then she paused, and DS rambled on about some facts about bears. Even I picked up on that not being 'normal', and afterwards the psychologist mentioned that any 'normal' person would have asked the obvious 'and then what happened' question. Obviously there's more to Aspergers than just that.

ImperialBlether · 31/03/2012 00:15

toutpuissant, I think you have something there. I don't think she would ask about the bears - she would talk about them, but wouldn't ask a question. It was only last night (after more than twenty years) that I wondered whether she had a communication problem.

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ImperialBlether · 31/03/2012 00:16

What sort of traits do you see in yourself, toutpuissant? You are living with someone now, aren't you? How does this show itself in your relationship with your husband or friends?

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Sposh · 31/03/2012 00:25

I'm a bit Hmm at the idea that your friend might have/be aspergers. There was a short time when my dd1 was considered for it because of her many education issues (far too complicated to go into here) but it turns out she's just an obstinate cow Grin

You don't necessarily need to be aspergers to be a pain in the arse. Sometimes you're just a pain in the arse!

DreamingofSummer · 31/03/2012 00:26

Does she say things like "er" and "um" and "you know" during her conversations?

My mother in law didn't - just a string of consciousness. She had a personality disorder and this was one of the signs. We've had the old 30 min cassette answer phone tapes full up when she'd phoned and there wasn't a single break

fussbucket · 31/03/2012 00:28

Just come to this before bed - IB, I know you keep describing her as your friend, but in what way is she your friend? Because all I'm hearing is her talking at you, without her ever really listening.
DNephew is Aspergers, and a lot of this sounds horribly familiar.

toutpuissant · 31/03/2012 00:29

Well, I have no friends. :) I have some acquaintances but nobody that I would just show up at their door or ask to go out for coffee or anything like that. They are all pretty much compartmentalized as well - I have my people that I volunteer with at school and they are all in the school compartment, I am involved in a dog rescue so there is a group of people that I talk to about that, etc. None of the groups overlap and none of these people have been to my house, nor me to theirs. I can't actually think of a time when I did have what I would call a proper friend, even at school I had groups of people that I did things with but I wouldn't really call them friends.

My husband and I have a terrible relationship frankly, I would like to think that is not all my doing but I'm sure some of the way he is is a reaction to how I am.

I think that I am not really capable of engaging with others. Not in the way that I see others do it. In a social situation I have to fake it but it is hard work, and I get it wrong often, hence the talking over people and interrupting. Sigh. Dogs are so much easier!

ImperialBlether · 31/03/2012 00:32

I think what happens is that when I see her, we each talk about what we've been up to. I tell her (without her asking) what's been going on. She'll make remarks. I'll ask what she thinks.

Later in the evening after perhaps I've asked what she thinks about something, she'll start to talk. And she won't stop for hours.

She will always back me up and we do have some decent conversations. It's in the last two or three hours of the night that she can't shut up. We have a lot of history and I'd hate to lose her as a friend, though I won't be seeing much of her for a while (deliberately.)

Sposh I think I've always thought she doesn't have many social skills, but last night I thought she might have a different sort of problem.

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ImperialBlether · 31/03/2012 00:36

Thanks for your help everyone; I really appreciate it. I'm off to bed tonight - happier than I was last night!

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drcrab · 31/03/2012 01:01

Just wanted to add that I have a friend like that. We'd meet for lunch and we'd do the usual what have you been up to etc. we will tell each other. Then she'll start and won't stop. Even if it's something like 'oh dd has chicken pox? How is she? Well my sister's boyfriend's aunty's son or daughter had chicken pox too and this is what they did. Oh and another friend of mine just told me they have chickenpox. Oh and my mother just told me that there's an epidemic in her village... ' and so on.

So even if it's 'my story' (in this case chickenpox), she'll have plenty more to say... Than me. Even if I wanted to talk about it.

And then she'll want to talk about her life. And we never stop after that. It's quite nice coz I get to eat my food!!

PooPooInMyToes · 31/03/2012 08:03

Im not sure what would happen if i spoke to my dad about it. He doesn't have much self awareness or interest in the way people are. For eg. I have another close relative that i think has a sn and i have mentioned that to my dad but he just looked confused. I think he instantly forgot about it as well so what was the point.

Might try next time though as it is upsetting to feel you are not being listened to and are not interesting to that other person.

LaDiDaDi · 31/03/2012 08:33

I wonder if in groups your friend lacks confidence/has some element of social anxiety but with you feels much more at ease but the result of this is that she makes up for the talking she doesn't do at other times??

If that doesn't ring true then perhaps she does have some social communication issue. I think that the fairest thing would be to explicitly address it with her wen her husband is around.

PooPooInMyToes · 31/03/2012 08:37

Oh and i have often wondered about aspergers with my dad as well, mostly because he will talk in much more detail about a subject then is necessary or that other people would.

My dad ticks a few different boxes!

I also have a friend that is similar. She is socially awkward, will send me emails that are miles long. It might be that she needs to pop to the shop, anyone else might fit that into a couple of sentences but she will talk about everything she needs to get, how it fits her schedule for the day, how she doesn't want to miss the postman, how she needs to do her ironing when she gets back, why, how she will do her ironing, which shop is better and why, about all the other possible shops and her previous visits to them and what happened etc etc.

Its exhausting. She also lacks empathy. Unfortunately we hardly see each other now due to my going though a difficult time and her lack of understanding about it. She just didn't get it.

I understand its not her fault but i couldn't handle the empathy thing considering what i was going through.

PooPooInMyToes · 31/03/2012 08:39

Toutpuissant Sad

PooPooInMyToes · 31/03/2012 08:43

Sposh. That's happened to me a bit too!

Toutpuissant. Have you ever been assessed. Im wondering if it would be helpful to you?

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