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Would this bother you? Phone question. . .

67 replies

Mrawmraw · 09/03/2012 23:38

Have namechanged for this. Here goes -

My DH works away at the weekends Fri-Sun, he is mostly home during the week as he does office hours for 2 days then the remainder of hours working away at the weekends. His job has always been this sort of pattern due to the industry he works in.

The (or my) problem is that he doesn't have a mobile phone at the moment. We have been married for 3 years and known each other 6 years (2 DC), and whenever his mobile breaks or he loses charger etc then he does not replace it for months and months at a time.

Once he went without a phone for 5 months O-: (we don't have landline).

I feel that he should be contactable in case something happens when he is away or important message about the DC or even just to talk, but he just keeps on making excuses "I will get a new one soon" and "what do you think people did before mobile phones?" He maintains I can always call his boss/colleagues if it's an emergency and he will get the message very quickly (he is mobile so no fixed landline work phone), but I still feel it's unreasonable for a married man with two children to basically be uncontactable for 3 days every week.

There is no evidence or prior suspicions/form for infidelity at all though.

What do you think?

OP posts:
mojitomania · 10/03/2012 02:10

Just don't like inaccuracies - blimey Grin

mojitomania · 10/03/2012 02:15

It may be a case of "who do you think you are" perfume Grin

perfumedlife · 10/03/2012 02:16

Well, inaccuracies was shoter than typing ' two people weren't unkind to him though, so op is not really nitpicking is she?' It would be a shame to pile the guilt on to the op who is on relationships for a reason, trying to figure out her problems but getting told she is nit picking about his inexplicable dislike of her friend. It's important to have good friends, and more so when you have had PND and are alone three days every week with two kids. Her dh seems to want to banish this friend for no good reason. I see that as odd, not nit picky.

The bigger picture. That was all.

perfumedlife · 10/03/2012 02:17

God mojito, the sooner you get over your menopause, the better.

I recognise a passive aggressive Grin even at this time on a Friday night.

mojitomania · 10/03/2012 02:23

Banish this friend? out of 25 people he doesnt like 2. I think that is a reasonable equasion. Wow, about my menopause? Personal attack alert. How low can you go Grin Passive aggressive Grin

Sorry OP by the way....

mojitomania · 10/03/2012 02:25

I suggest perfume if you have any more personal things to say about me take it to pm.

The5thFishy · 10/03/2012 03:59

He's only 35. I thought he'd be 50 when you said mobile phones aren't his era. Sounds like he doesn't want you to be able to contact him in the week.

The5thFishy · 10/03/2012 04:01

And perfumed and mojito take your stupid playground name calling off thread

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 10/03/2012 08:02

Start making decisions when he is not around and if he complains say you would have called him but oh, he is too lazy and selfish to sort his priorities. Could you decorate the toilet bright orange one weekend .... Extreme i know but it would be quite amusing! Decide to have a week of not eating his favourite food as you a supporting some fictitious cause!

For what it is worth I think your DH should be contactable, if only in case of emergency. Would be interested to know what industry he is in that requires that sort of working ......

CrystalsAreCool · 10/03/2012 09:12

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Fairenuff · 10/03/2012 10:30

This isn't really about the phone though, is it OP. It's a really good example though to highlight the problem. He is not fussed about having a phone. But to you it means a lot. He does not respect your feelings. It would be easy for him to get a cheap phone and keep it near him when he's away. It's not asking a lot. He should do it because it's important to you.

He doesn't want to listen to what you're telling him. He tries to avoid the conversation. He fobs you off. He lies to you, telling you he will get a phone just to shut you up. He has no intention of doing it. He makes you feel like you are complaining, you are nagging, you arewrong. He has no respect for you feelings, opinion, or needs. To expect you to contact him through others (only in an emergency mind) is, frankly, ridiculous. But the fact that he is so disrespectul and dismissive towards you is the real problem. That's what you need to be talking about.

Until he is ready to have that conversation, I would ring him (via his boss) several times next time he is away. Make one of those calls late at night and another very early in the morning. Make it as inconvenient for him to carry on like this as it is for you. Then have that conversation.

Mrawmraw · 10/03/2012 19:09

He's in events management, like setting up places for big events / weddings / conferences / concerts. The company he works for are hired to do all the physical stuff like setting up marquees, moving furniture, sound equipment etc etc. Hence the working away weekends so Fri, Sat and Sunday during day and he is back early hours of Monday mornings. Then maybe some office hours close to home in the office during the week.

His friends, parents and boss contact him via my phone all the time. My phone acts a bit like a landline in our house. I'm aware this may sound a bit controlling, but I don't mind them calling me looking for him because at least I know he is where he says he is (ie they have never called me when he is working, only when he is at home, if his colleagues called me looking for him when he says he is "working" then I'd obviously find him out, so it's reassurance that he is not lying, iyswim?) Blush

I don't have a landline or work number (I'm mobile at work), but I always have my mobile with me and charged and even keep a spare charged battery if I'm not with the kids.

He doesn't want to listen to what you're telling him. He tries to avoid the conversation. He fobs you off. He lies to you, telling you he will get a phone just to shut you up. He has no intention of doing it. He makes you feel like you are complaining, you are nagging, you arewrong. He has no respect for you feelings, opinion, or needs. To expect you to contact him through others (only in an emergency mind) is, frankly, ridiculous. But the fact that he is so disrespectul and dismissive towards you is the real problem. That's what you need to be talking about

This is how it feels to me. He has very set ideas on how to live life (and a couple of strong clashing ideas on how to raise children, but mostly we agree on that issue) and although he is quite happy for me to pursue my own interests and life etc, he does not really ever listen to what I need from him - just shuts off. He feels that things like making me dinner, cuddles, being loyal etc ARE love, but whilst I do feel loved, I really don't feel listened to at the best of times, he is dismissive on a few things (the phone thing being one of them) and at times I don't feel respected either.

Until he is ready to have that conversation, I would ring him (via his boss) several times next time he is away. Make one of those calls late at night and another very early in the morning. Make it as inconvenient for him to carry on like this as it is for you. Then have that conversation

I don't feel as if i could do that, although I'd love to Grin. I barely know his boss, have only met him a handful of times and I wouldn't feel able to ring his colleagues or boss on their mobiles late at night or early in the morning. H wouldn't like it, he wouldn't start an argument over it but he would probably ask what I'm doing phoning his boss at that time.

I don't really want to have another conversation, we have had the conversation / argument a few times now. Where basically I've clearly expressed why I feel it's inappropriate and disrespectful (the not having a phone) and he has said that he doesn't feel it is anywhere near disrespectful (then he gives examples of what he would consider to be disrespectful ie "I'm WORKING, not out at pubs all night ignoring my wife, THAT would be disrespect") and how I don't trust him, I can get hold of him in an emergency, the olden days excuse etc etc etc blah blah blah and it just reaches a stalemate. Goes round and round in circles until one of us considers leaving over a build up of seemingly minor things, and then a huge blow out ensues where changes are sometimes made, but then change only ever happens or things resolved when it becomes dire. Also, he makes conversations so difficult to actually have that I feel it's not worth the effort, although I know I'd leave and be on my own quite happily (and he knows too). I sometimes think he is just awkward (he is and always has been at emotional stuff), but other times I'm absolutely convinced he does it on purpose to avoid hearing me.

Our whole relationship since I was pregnant with the DC has been plagued with power struggles and locking of antlers. Even our families comment that we are both so stubborn. I have always been fiercely independent (apart from during PND) and stubborn and I always say to myself I will not be treated badly again (My only other relationship when I was a teenager was extremely abusive physically, financially, emotionally, verbally, sexually, every way). He is not so independent but is very very stubborn and 'I won't be told what to do by anyone', he is very defensive and seems to think me explaining what I need is somehow an attack on him, his parenting, his 'manliness' (another rolls eyes smiley)

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Fairenuff · 10/03/2012 19:57

Nothing will change unless you change it OP. What would you like to happen? Do you want to continue like this or do you want something different?

I would have the conversation again. One last time. Ask him to be absolutely clear with you, why he doesn't want a phone. Not the reasons he's given already, they are reasons to manage without, not why he is so resistant. If he has no good reason, then you need to tell him that this matters more to you than it does to him. Ask him why he would refuse to do a really easy thing that would mean so much to you. Get him to really think about it hard.

RabidEchidna · 10/03/2012 20:14

Go to Tesco get him a phone for £20, end of problem

Mrawmraw · 10/03/2012 20:31

I'm not sure tbh. Don't know what there is I really can do. If he doesn't get one, he doesn't , I can't force him. I can choose whether or not to put up with it yes, I know that, but it's not something I feel I could end a marriage over, even though it does signify disrespect and his dismissive attitude to me.

I do feel loved and respected most of the time, but I DO feel dismissed and not listened to, and yes he doesn't seem to care much about things which are important to me, unless they are also important to himself too. Fortunately the majority of things I want he also does too, and he seems to have a sense of responsibility about childcare, housework, his work and basic morals but there are a few sticking points which I feel he will never change, and it bothers me that he obviously doesn't care enough about me to do a tiny insignificant thing like buy a phone for a tenner and keep it charged. He resists being told to do ANYTHING, and to my mind that is quite childish. It's not as if I am clingy anymore like I was with DC1. I have my own life (!), I'd probably only call him once or twice in 2/3 days.

Funnily enough, today his parents are having the DCs for Saturday and Sunday to take them somewhere. So this afternoon I went out for lunch with friends in town. When I was coming home, I noticed there were 4 missed calls in quick succession from payphone numbers (it was noisy where we were so I didn't hear it) and a voicemail saying "I tried calling you but you must not be in and aren't answering, will try to call again later when I get a break in jobs" . Just after I got back he called me from his colleagues phone. Hi, I must have just missed you cause you weren't answering, see you tomorrow night etc.

So it obviously bothers him a bit when I am not at his beck and call and contactable, doesn't it? I didn't do it on purpose, genuinely it was loud and I didn't hear the phone, but it is telling. Hmm

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ThePinkPussycat · 10/03/2012 20:36

I think you might have stumbled upon a way forward here, OP Wink

Fairenuff · 10/03/2012 20:58

I agree pussycat I would be sorely tempted to make myself unavailable to him by phone. I would also not answer calls to my mobile from his boss and friends. When it matters to him, he will probably change his mind and get the damn phone [girn.

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