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Pil getting angry

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ItsGrimUpNorth · 04/02/2012 17:03

Mil is 60 this year. And she and fil are celebrating their ruby wedding anniversary. They were talking about how to celebrate it. They don't want a party or anything like that. We suggested they come on holiday with us for a week in France in August as a celebration. They agreed. We're going for two, they'll join us for the second week.

Now I think they're ok as people. They're very needy, try and centre their lives around their grown up children and the gcs. Mil has never worked outside of the home, has had three or four nervous breakdowns because she says she doesn't see the gcs enough, can be very interfering, tells stupid fibs about ridiculous things, has bonkers logic and is big on emotional blackmail. Other than that, she's fine Grin. Fil is a spoilt prince who dislikes anyone disagreeing with him but he's quite bright and can be entertaining.

So, this week away with them could be quite trying for me but seeing as it's such a big year for them, then why not? They never went away with their parents and the gcs. In fact, mil struggled to have her mil over for supper once in a while.

Anyway, it turns out they've organised an event - visiting some chocolate world thing - with dh's sister and they want us to go to that as well to celebrate their wedding anniversary. We said no because we were going to France with them, we will have just seen them two weeks before, dh doesn't particularly want to see his sister and we've already agreed to attend two children's parties that weekend. Now, if it were me, I'd've just said we were busy but dh really spelled it out to them which I think was unnecessary.

Fil went bonkers on the 'phone, saying this wedding anniversary was a one off, didn't dh care enough about them, he never sees his sister (dh replied his sister is a racist c* Shock who never bothers to visit when she's down south anyway) and repeated that we were taking them to France this summer to celebrate and that was enough - they're not paying either, our treat. He then put the 'phone down on his dad, telling him he was a stupid old man. Yikes.

Next fil leaves two messages on dh's phone begging him not to turn his back on him, he loves him etc etc. Really heavy stuff. Dh wanted me to listen to them as he couldn't bear it, he was so angry with his dad for laying on the guilts about some stupid trip.

Then fil calls me on my phone and recounts the conversation back but only dh's words, not his. Basically looking for my support. I don't give it and reiterate what our position is but I feel really p*ssed off that he has tried to involve me against dh and that our taking them on holiday this summer just isn't enough for them. Grrrr. Dh wants to cancel the holiday, well, their part of it but I can't do that because it would make for really bad feeling but they are behaving like spoilt children.

Do I just back off and just refuse to get involved and quietly support dh in whatever he decides?

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SaraBellumHertz · 05/02/2012 06:53

Well to be fair it is a big year for your pil's and I don't really understand the refusal to go on one day out, much less you DH's incredibly aggressive stance in relation to the same.

I appreciate it is in addition to the holiday but it's want they want to do and it is a special occasion and telling anyone that kids birthday party's trump a ruby wedding celebration has got to sting.

Having said that none of this has anything to do with you, your DH needs to sort it out and all you can do is try to avoid getting dragged in by either side.

WinkyWinkola · 05/02/2012 07:10

Cancel the holiday. Go on the day out. You cannot do everything.

ItsGrimUpNorth · 05/02/2012 07:24

We have plans that weekend. I'm simply not going to drop everything planned by sil and be summoned to the pils.

I think a holiday is plenty. More than enough.

And there is no way we would go on holiday with sil too. Hmm She is racist and as tight as a gnat's chuff. You want my blood pressure to soar o a holiday? Wink

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CinnabarRed · 05/02/2012 07:29

What is chocolate world anyway?

SaraBellumHertz · 05/02/2012 07:46

It's hardly "dropping everything" when your sil has given you 8 months notice of an event to celebrate an important question in your pil's life.

I'm guessing there is far more to this relationship than meets the eye but trying to reverse the situation if 8mths prior to my 40th birthday party my parents said they couldn't come because they were doing some relatively minor other stuff I'd be pretty disappointed, even if we were joining them on holiday to celebrate another occasion.

SaraBellumHertz · 05/02/2012 07:47

Important event/occasion. No idea where question came from!

ItsGrimUpNorth · 05/02/2012 07:56

It's three weeks notice in actual fact.

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stellarpunk · 05/02/2012 08:09

hertz they have other commitments and the OP is being incredibly generous by offering a holiday.

Sorry OP they sound like spoilt brats!

I would have a serious think about that hol, if you don't get thus sorted before you go, it will prob. be a stressy disaster. TBH I would cancel.

Nobs.

SaraBellumHertz · 05/02/2012 08:35

Is it three weeks? In that case apologies.

I read the OP as the holiday was in August and they wouldn't be going on the day out because they'd have seen the pil's two weeks earlier in the holiday.

Either way this is weird. If the anniversary is in three weeks then claiming that a holiday in 8mths time removes a need to attend the anniversary celebration is odd. Equally not wanting to drop a kids party for an important date 8mths hence is weird.

Like I said clearly there are big issues at play here.

exoticfruits · 05/02/2012 08:42

Sounds an excellent compromise Mathanxiety-I would go with that.

I would also stay out of it-they seem a very dysfunctional family. I would just tell all sides that you are not getting involved and leave them to sort it between them.

CinnabarRed · 05/02/2012 08:43

If the anniversary is in three weeks then claiming that a holiday in 8mths time removes a need to attend the anniversary celebration is odd. Equally not wanting to drop a kids party for an important date 8mths hence is weird.

This. Exactly.

MilkMonitor · 05/02/2012 09:16

So the op should do everything? I don't think that's fair.

The pil didn't have to agree to a holiday to celebrate birthday and anniversary but they did. And then they want more? They sound 4 years old.

The dh doesn't get on with his sister. Plans for the day out have been made without consulting the op and her dh - so no, I don't think they should drop the plans they've made that weekend.

Op, I'd do either or.

Suggest another date to celebrate the anniversary (although I'd've thought anniversaries are a lovely opportunity for couples to celebrate together romantically) and for the 60th birthday in September.

But if you do, do not go on holiday together as well. It's too much. And I'm not sure these people sound very nice - they sound very entitled and spoiled. And a real chore.

WMDinthekitchen · 05/02/2012 10:13

Athing Darling, please. 60 is not old. Will be 60 myself soon. Just off for a 10 mile run (as per at the weekend). Sorry, a digression from thread. OP, your Pils are completely unreasonable, attention-seeking and emotional blackmailers. Leave it to your DH to deal with them (but do communicate with him).

QuintessentialyHollow · 05/02/2012 10:18

Cancel the holiday. Just cancel. Tell them that because the holiday means nothing to them, and that in their opinion you dont care about their anniversary because you wont cancel two birthday parties you are going to that weekend when you have already booked and paid for a weeks holiday for them, you are cancelling their holiday. Just tell them.

Dont let them black mail you ever again.

QuintessentialyHollow · 05/02/2012 10:20

3 weeks? I also read it as the day out at chocolate factory was two weeks after the holiday.

In that case, you should really go to their celebration. Holiday is 8 months away.

WinkyWinkola · 05/02/2012 10:36

I think it would be courteous for the pil to find a mutually comvenient day instead of arranging it and then get a strop on when the op and her dh have plans. What reasonable person does that especially after they've been invited on holiday?

Ungracious punks.

I'd cancel the holiday and make a big show of turning up on wedding anniversary and mil's birthday.

Some people just keep on wanting more and more and more, don't they?

clam · 05/02/2012 10:39

How on earth do you know, 8 months in advance that you have two kid's birthday parties that weekend? Or am I muddling dates here? The holiday is in August, yes? And the chocolate weekend two weeks after that??

GnomeDePlume · 05/02/2012 11:27

I have to say, it is only a ruby wedding, not that big a deal. Basically, get married at 30 and manage to stay alive for the next 30 years and stay married, both of which are I believe statistically fairly likely events then you get to 60th birthdays and ruby weddings.

I cant see what the PiL are making a fuss about.

DH has just come up with a genius suggestion for the holiday (I am assuming that you are driving there?):

Take the first week as your holiday then do a two day handover (nice dinner out, play with GCs whatever). Then say, 'we are off so that you can celebrate your wedding anniversary in peace'. You then go off and have a nice leisurely drive home staying in a few nice logis/hotels on the way.

Nanny0gg · 05/02/2012 11:46

I think you should cancel the holiday.

I don't think anyone (including the ILs) will enjoy it.

And to be honest, I'm beginning to feel quite sorry for the ILs. It seems obvious you don't like them.

MilkMonitor · 05/02/2012 11:53

Yes, they sound bloody 'orrible, kicking up a fuss about nothing. I don't think I like your in laws either, op. Grin

But if my future dils ever invite me on holiday with them, I'll know I've got amazing dils.

TheFallenMadonna · 05/02/2012 12:04

So, the anniversary is this month (3 weeks time)?

Or the chocolate thing is this month, the holiday is in August and the anniversary is some other time altogether? Confused

pinkappleby · 05/02/2012 12:16

Don't the ILs just want a celebration with both their children there? It sounds like that is what is they are trying to acheive, which isn't unreasonable unless there is other stuff between DH and SIL that you haven't told us about.

Btw you seem to be acting sensibly, not so sure about your DH!

pinkappleby · 05/02/2012 12:18

I think it is:
3 weeks time - anniversary and chocolate visit
August - holiday
September - MIL's birthday

SaraBellumHertz · 05/02/2012 12:29

In which case is the complaint that the OP has to spend more than two occasions in an 8mth period with the Pils? Sounds bizarre.

ItsGrimUpNorth · 05/02/2012 12:52

Wow, lots of assumptions about how often we see pil there which is bizarre. Hmm

We had them for four days over Christmas, a weekend in Jan, they're coming again in two weeks. We see them on average every month for a weekend. Or is that not enough either?

Dh does not want to see his sister. He finds her offensive. His father got annoyed with this and dh got annoyed with his father for stamping his foot about it and for making arrangements without talking to dh first.

Dh feels a free holiday in France in between wedding anniversary and birthday is ample celebration. I'm inclined to agree.

That wasn't my reason for posting anyway. We digress.

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