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Llamedos · 21/01/2012 12:04

We've been together 18 years, married 9. I have to confront but I feel sick :(.

OP posts:
Llamedos · 21/01/2012 15:41

AF and Olympia, I do appreciate your honesty. At least someone is being honest with me.

I'm taking note of all you say, particularly about full and frank disclosure.

This is really, really shit.

OP posts:
Hattytown · 21/01/2012 15:53

This link might help: How to find E mail addresses on a computer

Then once you know the e mail addy, you can click on 'lost password' links on the sites he visits. Don't know if the response e mail will come into your joint inbox, or if you'll need a bit more skullduggery to find where e mails to that address go, but it's a start.

Agree that you shouldn't assume he hasn't met anyone yet, which is why I suggested a health check. Sorry, this is really shitty isn't it?

Llamedos · 21/01/2012 16:21

Could the history and cookies come from pop ups? .

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AnyFucker · 21/01/2012 16:23

why would he need another email address then ?

AnyFucker · 21/01/2012 16:23

what exactly have you found ?

Itsallgonetitsup · 21/01/2012 16:31

So sorry you are going through this. It will take a while to get your head around it.

I sadly have been where you are now and have the Tshirt. Hopefully you have found this before it has escalated but dont be sucked in with his denials. He may not have got as far as meeting anyone in RL yet but even if he has he will deny this until you can proove it.

What exactly have you found?

It took me about a month to unavel the truth from my initial discovery of a text to finding out the whole picture before I confronted my H. When I did confront him I ensured the kids were in bed and came straight down the stairs into the living room and just looked at hom and said I KNOW. He looked blank so I just listed the names of his OW.

There is no right or wrong way to confront. You'll probably find it all just comes out. I was weirdly detatched initially. Like someone looking in on it all. Then the emotion hit.

Have you checked his car and pockets, bank statements etc to see if there is any evidence he has actually met anyone in RL from these sites.

TheWisdomOfSolomum · 21/01/2012 18:55

Thanks AF :) I have had excellent advice and support for the 'recovery' period from MN - both directly by asking for it and indirectly by reading advice given to other posters in similar situations. There are too many to name but Izzy was a godsend at a time when I needed it, she hates it when I say this but I luffs her! Grin

Having MN wouldn't have changed the outcome but I believe that I would've got there a whole lot sooner and I'd have had more belief in myself and that it wasn't my fault and I didn't deserve it.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2012 19:00

aww, good to hear it, solomum

izzy is a star, if you need a kick ass attitude Grin and a slightly eccentric one...

OP you haven't posted for a while, are you ok ?

fiventhree · 21/01/2012 19:11

Llanedos

AF and others on here are right, about everything.I was in your position in October.

First of all, popups dont do in your history, no. You have to visit the site.

I found various bits of suspicious evidence in most of those years, but mainly photos in 'received files' of women. My mumsnet post (first ever, had hardly ever used MN) gave me brutal information on why all his excused were crap, even from internet experts. He had said that the photos were accidentally downloaded from torrent music filesharing sites, but people here were able to prove that received files IS ONLY set up by microsoft on your computer when someone SENDS you a photo , and you click RECEIVE (knowing what you will receive, because you have to click accept) They mainly come from yahoo or msn messenger sites, or google messenger, or even facebook, myspace etc. They are not downloaded (ie porn- my h tried this line) because those go into your downloads file.

Now, I have been with h 22 years, married for 18, and nobody I have ever met would have suspected him of this kind of subterfuge. He looked me in the eye each time I confronted, and swore on the kids lives and you name it that it wasnt what I thought, he would never etc. He often criticised men for the foolishness of having OW- it REALLY seemed like him.

Be careful to do full research, first. That was my initial mistake, and if you cant prove it, it alerts them to be more careful.

You want to believe them, in some way, so you fool yourself. I did for nearly 6 years, I cant believe it now, and the sense of foolishness you feel then is even worse, believe me. I am still suffering it.

When you are ready to confront, you may be lucky- he may cave.

But as AF says, most will feel so desperate, possibly ashamed, so threatened and foolish, that every bit of them is desperate to discount what you say. My h tried every excuse nown to man. eg after the MN thread, when I finally wouldnt back down for a week, he started to find a weird way to create actually deliberately redirect his downloads into received files eg news items from the BBC that day, and he kept it on his pc so I would see it.

And after my earlier discoveries he agreed not to delete his history, but he used to open 'incognito browsing', he finally admitted, and also if he had forgotten, he would go to 'edit history', and delete as necessary, so there were gaps in the history.

Mae a list, do research on what to look for, even research on signs of lying. Look at bank accounts, work patterns, in the car, shed, everywhere, even spare sim cards for the same phone.

Search his computer with a fine tooth comb eg go to search and look for photos and films, especially ones in received files via search, also see if you can find the 'cache'- I founds lots from this.

Look at the 'search history' button and use that eg for words and also for instant messenger type services/vists. If he has MSM or similar, he may have forgotten to keep passwords - if you can get in, there may be saved conversations.

Print anything you can, or email to another computer if at all possible. My h's last attempt was to delete things I had seen, and even though I new what I had seen, and I had already started a mn thread, I did worry that I was mad or paranoid, and he slightly encouraged this, by saying I was forgetful etc, and finally by saying that ' I had nothing else in my life' and wanted a drama (my business had been far less than busy for a year).

I know that awful shaking adrenaline you get when you find out at first. Stay calm, and use it to act, dont shy away from the pain.

XX

TheWisdomOfSolomum · 21/01/2012 19:13

Don't forget yourself AF! I didn't name you directly in my last post as I was addressing you, and I know you don't like it either ad you're vair modest! But credit where credit is due and all that Grin

OP I wish you all the strength for later, I know how this turns your life completely upside down but you WILL get out the other side x

AnyFucker · 21/01/2012 19:13

I am glad you have seen this thread, five

fiventhree · 21/01/2012 19:13

at the beginning, I lost a bit of previous post explain that I found same evidence as you for 5 and a half years, confronted 6 times, all denied.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2012 19:14

thanks, solomum x

FabbyChic · 21/01/2012 19:15

YOu get pop ups from sites you have visited, however in this day and age, I have to say I've not had a pop up for years, I have them disabled.

fiventhree · 21/01/2012 19:20

AF, I only wish now I hadnt had my own thread deleted. There was useful info on it, and you may remember my sense of denial!

By the way, my k is dodgy on computer, re my post!

On the other hand, I am more computer savvy than I once was!!

I am out tonight but will keep up later tomorrow.

OP you can also pm me if you feel the need, for any reason. But we are all here for you.

AnyFucker · 21/01/2012 19:24

five yes I do remember your distress and denial

none of it was out of proportion to what you were being forced to confront though Smile

I too think it is a shame your thread was deleted, as there was a lot of techy info on it (as well as support for your emotional welfare)

OP fiventhree's generous offer of a private conversation is a good one, you would be well-advised to take her up on it

TiggyD · 21/01/2012 19:35

There are key logger programmes you can get that record every single button pressed on your computer. Not sure if they're legal, but I can't see why not. Could you find a techy person to put one on your computer for you?

TheWisdomOfSolomum · 21/01/2012 20:11

Tiggy I used a keylogger, no technical experience required to install it, just a simple download.

However, imo all it does is confirm what you already know. And you already know that you know - and you're better off without the sordid details, again that's only my opinion. It wouldnt have mattered what proof/evidence I had shown my ex, he would still have lied his way out. Or tried to I should say.

I could've walked in on him actually having sex with someone and he would have said she slipped and landed on his dick!

Legobuildingpro · 21/01/2012 20:16

I helped you on that thread fiven. I was a bit bubbly, been away from mn since before Xmas.

Op don't put a key logger on. Just don't. I covered all in fiven thread, but just don't.

imzadi · 21/01/2012 20:32

don't forget you can ctrl+shift+t if he closes tabs down as you enter a room. It opens recently closed tabs :)

fiventhree · 22/01/2012 10:51

Well I was silly enough to try a key logger. Someone on a thread had insisted it was undetectable. She pmed me and we had a few conversations, where she reassured me that it was her line of work, and that it was safe.

In reality, the first thing it did was get picked up by Norton antivirus, which I had told her I had. So if there is virus guard software on the machine it is a waste of £45, and you need to get it off there quick. But if there is no virus protection, I suppose it would work fine- it takes seconds to install- it is just a memory stick you put on, press a button, and take off in a minute, and then you repeat the process a week or two later to access the information.

I actually wish I had been able to use it- if I had, I would apparently have picked up three further conversations with women over an 8 day period, which we were in fact at the same time at Relate, where infidelity was being denied. If I had used it I would have known for myself that these conversations were short, not repeated with the same woman etc, which I have now been told. I would give half an arm right now to be clear, because later on, if you dont split up, it can be nearly hard to be sure that the nature of the betrayal is as they describe it to you.

By the way, OP, if you are confronting right now, can I add that my conversations over 5 years where I confronted were not just a polite confront and denial. I do feel quite touchy these days that so many people must think I was just stupid, and not asking the right questions. I kept the pressure up for three days each time, and grilled him. I researched on the net how to confront. But he still would admit nothing, so I absolutely had to get techy proof or at least more techy understanding. But he still denied all. Only thing which worked in the end was for me to really surprise him and do the opposite of what he suspected, by leaving.

imzadi · 22/01/2012 12:18

fiven, you can dowload keyloggers for free and also tell your antivirus to accept that program.

fiventhree · 22/01/2012 12:30

imzadi, at the time I couldnt even work out how to do that, I thought he was too computer savvy- he is. In fact when I finally did have a conversation set up with my best friend with her international computer expert h, who knows my h, he explained to me the ins and outs and was able to say to me why my h couldnt really believe what he told me, because in this man's opinion he was too savvy with computers for that.

By the way, there are lots of ways to leave. In my case, I moved me and clothes into spare room after a row, and cut him out of my life. I told the kids we were probably through. It was significant also to my h that despite the fact that he very often used the spare room for one reason or another, which I hated, it was me who finally chose to leave behind my beloved bedroom, which I had always seen as a major major source of comfort and rest. A bit like- have the wardrobes and view and ensuite, I am walking away.

DgrMse · 22/01/2012 22:14

I'm in a similar situation. Recently discovered H been in sex chat room and posting semi naked pics of himself. Was going on for months and he lied about it. It was even his motivation for weight loss (although he claims it wasn't) When confronted he said it was because of our lack of sex life (long story) but said he would stop and we are working thru it. He recently started turning his phone screen from me so I can't see what he is up to and I'm worried it's starting again. He said no but not sure I can trust him.

fiventhree · 23/01/2012 09:57

Dgrmse, that is not good.

Tell him straight that you want to look at his phone. It is his job to rebuild your trust, even if it is both of yours to look at the relationship/sex.