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Dh seems to continually get my families backs up! ;(

56 replies

Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 15:13

Ive been with dh for 17 years. He is hot headed and can be tactless. He is very popular with his friends & my friends. Everyone seems to see him as an all round good guy. However, whenever there is a family event, it always filters back to me that he has offended someone or acted inappropriately. Sometimes I can see he has been out of order, sometimes I am told. The most extreme example is one xmas when my older sister (very opinionated with absolutely no life experience to draw from other than TV) was driving him and my other bil mad, whilst playing trivial pursuit at xmas. She wouldnt let them explain themselves and kept talking over them, shouting them down. In my family we expect everyone to try and reason with her and then just quietly seeth with anger and let it go. Its like talking to a brick wall. He however, in a room full of family and kids, told her to f* off... That went down like a lead balloon. He severely regrets the incident.

This xmas I didnt get my usual phonecall from a sister, mum... telling me what he did to upset someone. We then all met for New Years Day and it didnt go so well. My nephew had a small car accident and my mum answered phone to him and basically went hysterical. My older sister and her DH went down the road to sort it out. My mum is poorly and a big worrier and ran around the house fussing and fretting that nephew only recently passed and is very dsylexic, unconfident and what negative effect will the accident have on him. I tried to reasure her. DH made it clear he thought she was fussing, i.e " mil its only a shunt, no big deal...". She then got in the car to go and check nephew alright and his view of this was clear. It was then just us and younger sis and her dh, i tried to reason with him. I said i know she gets very distressed, ott, but just leave her to it, she will calm down.... He got really angry with me and after said i had humiliated him and was in his face. Rest of the day was a nightmare with mum and older sis only talking about the accident for approx 7 hours! During that time my mum preparing dinner and my 6 year old must have been told by her to stay out of the kitchen as hot oven... I today got told that when family asked what was wrong with him, DH said in a sarcastic voice that my mum had upset him. I can imagine my DH saying that but with the attitude that my son was being a bit of a sulky 6 year old. However, I have also been told in past by family that DH resents anyone tellling DS off, even in the mildest form. I have challenged him and he says that this is not the case. He wants my ds to be well mannered/behaved and wouldn't object.

Sorry so long, its just im so involved its hard to see the wood from the trees. All I hear from friends is what a lovely man he is and my family have such a different view. I think my family expect men not to ever voice an opinion that is contentious, or else they are troublemaking. My older sisters husband daren't voice any opinion on anything and is down trodden but golden son in law. However, I do feel my Dh has respect issues. My parents are very good people and very good to us. He will often say what a wonderful, selfless person my mum is. However, i feel that if she has one of her panicky, fussy episodes, he wont give her an inch. He will make it clear what he thinks. To me, if you respect someone, you give them the benefit of the doubt sometimes. God knows I have kept quiet on enough occassions with his parents. They have earnt your respect so surely you shouldn't be so quick to argue with them. I don't know, Im piggie in the middle. How can they have such a poor opinion of him and I see him so differently. Why cant he sometimes keep the peace, out of love and respect for me? My younger sisters dh sat there quietly, (totally in agreement with DH that my mum was ott) and wouldn't create a scene/issue. Sorry so long, I feel better for writing this all down.

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IloveJudgeJudy · 05/01/2012 16:07

I think you need to decide who you are going to support - is it DH, or is it your family? You can ask your DH to try and get on with your family, but why should he put up with your sister being rude to him? Why do your family constantly tell you how he has upset them? Tbh most it is petty stuff and they should deal with it and move on and not bitch to you about it.

You say that he makes it clear what he thinks, but so do the rest of your family. You seem to want a husband like your sister's, but you probably wouldn't like the whole package. This is your DH and how he is and perhaps if you backed him up a bit more, not necessarily in front of your family, but at home and didn't "tell him off", he would be less confrontational. I feel a bit sorry for him as you do seem to put your birth family above your DH.

loosyloo · 05/01/2012 16:14

everyone has different ways and personalities

tell them all to grow up and stop tittle tattling behind each others backs

lisaro · 05/01/2012 16:15

You sound lovely, but I have to say that your family sound like hard work. Ok, the 'Fuck off' thing was slightly ott but it doesn't sound to me like he's the problem.

CailinDana · 05/01/2012 16:22

It sounds like your family winds your DH up no end and I can see why to be honest. I struggle to stay civil with my ILs, especially FIL who has horrible racist views and I have snapped at them a couple of times. I know it puts DH in a difficult position and I feel sorry for him but he acknowledges that they are annoying and go overboard at times.

Your family are grown adults and so should be able to handle situations like this on their own without coming crying to you all the time. Yes your DH is being a pain but when you think about your own family is being just as bad - rather than letting it go for your sake they're causing you huge stress by talking to you behind DH's back all the time. It sounds like you all have a ridiculously immature way of communicating and it's making life far more stressful than it needs to be.

If I were you I'd stay out of it. If one of your family members comes whinging again, tell them you're not your husband's PA and that if they have a gripe with him they can talk to him directly.

Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 17:22

Thanks for all the replies, which are real food for thought. I think I do take my family's side over dh, most of the time. I know what they are thinking and so know when he is saying something that they will disapprove of. I do see his point, that if you do not share their point of view, you are insulting them! It can get ridiculous - my nephew has worked manually for 2 years and was saying how exhausting it is. My dh said he had been working for 20 years and that's what real exhaustion is. I knew my sister would chose to see the comment as undermining her son and so straight away she started saying that my dh didn't understand what long hours nephew worked.... I cringed and dh later said he felt like he couldn't open his mouth! I'm sure it must feel like that! He is no saint though and does seem to purposely disagree with them on ocassion. He can also be a stroppy git too! I can see both sides and don't want my family to talk about him or think badly of him. Seems like I need to accept he has been painted that way and there is nothing I can do to change it. I really don't want an emasculated dh and so I guess I'll never keep both sides happy. I am going to try to be fairer to him, just because I know my family will judge him if he says certain things, doesn't mean he is always wrong. Thanks.

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Kayano · 05/01/2012 17:29

Sorta sounds like you support/ believe your family rather than DH. He seems to be the only one not willing to pander to their every whim!

I sorta agree with him re your mother over reacting to the accident and it's odd that people actually just let SIL talk down to everyone in a game of trivial persist and let your mum get distressed ConfusedBlush

BoneyBackJefferson · 05/01/2012 17:33

I get the feeling that your family are very controlling and object to the fact that your DH won't submit to them.

Frankly more power to his elbow.

HereIGo · 05/01/2012 17:39

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KatieScarlett2833 · 05/01/2012 17:44

I like the sound of your DH.

I'm sure I would irritate your entire family too.

izzywhizzystwelfthnight · 05/01/2012 17:55

I'm with Katie - I reckon I'd pee your family off bigtime.

7 hours talking about a minor shunt in which no-one was injured? O, get over yourselves, ffs! And that would have been my line as soon as it was clear that any damage was confined to metal and not flesh.

Much as you may love your parents and other relatives, you chose to cleave to your dh and create a family with him and that's where your first loyalty must lie.

mynewpassion · 05/01/2012 17:58

You should support your DH as I don't think he's doing anything horrible. Maybe he could keep more quiet and be polite but sometimes it seems your family needs a dose of reality and your sister was bang out of order.

I think the problem has to do more with your family than with him.

Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 18:00

Funnily enough boneyback, some of them describe him as controlling!

You are right HereIgo, he can be all those things, but he is overall a kind, decent man. I am very close to my mum and dad and if we visit without the others then there is never a problem. It's when all of the family are together. One of my sisters died a few years back and it made me want to try harder to all spend more time together as you never know what's around the corner. I suppose I have felt resentful of my dh because it felt like he was stopping me having that closeness. However, I'm the least argumentative out of my sisters and I have still managed at one time or another to fall out with my sisters. Too many strong, opinionated and stubborn people. Thanks for all the replies.

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QuintessentiallyShallow · 05/01/2012 18:05

To be honest, it does not sound like your dh is a pain, but your family!

You possibly cant see this, as they keep at you about how horrible he is, and you dont realize that really it is THEM behaving badly, not him.

It would seem that they have gotten used to walking all over you, especially regards to him, for several years.

May I suggest that you start celebrating Christmas on your own if

  1. You cant stand up to your family and
  2. They behave like this with your husband, and then
  3. Keep complaining to you.

Recipe for disaster.

QuintessentiallyShallow · 05/01/2012 18:06

sorry about the loss of your sister.

I can see why you would want that closeness. But it cant be only you trying!

JustHecate · 05/01/2012 18:08

Sounds to me like it's 'your family' that are the problem. Your opinionated sister who talks over everyone - sounds like a "fuck off" was well overdue. I don't think it's your husband who's the unreasonable one there! "out of order" ? pandering to unacceptable behaviour is very stressful. Brushing things under the carpet is unhelpful.

If someone is flapping over something, then to be told calm down is not that unreasonable. Flappers drive you bonkers!

fwiw - your husband and children are your family, imo, and if there's a side to be taken - it's theirs.

If everyone else likes your husband and the only group of people in the whole world that don't get on with him are your relatives, I'd be looking to them and something that they have in common with each other that clashes with someone the rest of the world considers utterly decent.

That's not to say they aren't also lovely people! But you need to stop seeing your husband as the bad guy, the 'out of order' one here.

BalloonSlayer · 05/01/2012 18:12

He sounds OK to me.

Your family sound worse, TBH.

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/01/2012 18:13

What QuintessentiallyShallow and JustHecate has said.

BTW is your Dad around; I only ask as he is not mentioned at all in your initial post re your birth family.

Your birth family seem very dysfunctional indeed and are out and out hostile to "outsiders". Everyone too within your family seems to pander to your sister thus making her worse. You cannot readily see them for what they really are due to them conditioning you to thinking that everyone else but them is unreasonable.

starfishmummy · 05/01/2012 18:14

He's popular with friends. That should tell you something really - no one who is as bad as your family think he is would have many friends left!!

I agreet him telling your sister to f off, in company and with children present, probably wasn't the best of moves; but equally why was your sister's bad behaviour considered to be OK?

It seems to me that you and your family just expect everyone to put up with what they do; even though they are rude and bad mannered. I am surprised your husband has put up with them

HoudiniHissy · 05/01/2012 18:27

So your entire family pussy foots about your overbearing and ignorant sister and your DH snaps and tells her to Fuck off?

Good for him!

A very minor shunt for a young lad and your family spend 7 hours talking about it, going hysterical, rushing here there and everywhere and your DH snaps and says 'It's only a shunt'

He's bloody right!

Your family sound insufferable! Your DH has it right, stop pandering to your family, they may have their hearts in the right place, but they would drive anyone to DRINK!

It's not your DH that is getting your family's back up, it's your family's dysfunction that may cost you YOUR marriage!

I'd not put up with anything you have described here. Not for anyone!

TooEasilyTempted · 05/01/2012 18:40

Your family would hate me Grin they sound bonkers. I think you need to decide where your loyalties lie, and they should lie with your DH.

Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 18:52

Really interesting replies again. Thanks. I think I appear from this thread to have no emotional intelligence! I am smart but feel like I am wadding through treacle when it comes to family. I am a solicitor and have been told one of my best qualities is that I am able to see each parties perspective clearly. However, when dealing with family, that can just make me feel very confused and indecisive. Its easier to be critical to my dh than the rest of my family, I guess. My dad is present but ducks for cover and doesn't want to get involved in all the daftness.

The families comments have had a negative impact on my marriage at times.

JUstHecate said something that resonates, along the lines that my family can be lovely people, but can still be very difficult! Thats so true. My older sister is a real handful and my younger sister very sensitive. However both would honestly give you their last penny... My parents only wish is for their family to be happy and they bend over backwards for us all and are kindness itself. I do wish my dh didn't make himself such an open target (he could put his point across in a more tactful way). However, a family dominated by women, has made a hostile environment at times for my dh. Only problem is that he saw me typing away and asked what I was doing. I read him what I had written (which helped as he said he didn't understand just how upset and frustrated I am). However, he is also now quite big headed as a result of the replies and joked, "see I told you your family were all a bunch of nutters!" Confused

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Snorbs · 05/01/2012 19:22

I don't think you lack emotional intelligence, I think it's more that you are so used to your family's behaviours that it seems normal to you.

But based on what you've said your family are loons has a very peculiar dynamic. The fact that you and your family has been taught to let your older sis act like a bully while pussy-footing around and not confronting her domineering attitude does not make it the right thing to do. The fact that you and your family has been trained to fuss around and appease your mother when she acts like an attention-seeking drama queen does not necessarily make it the right way to act.

The fact that everyone except your immediate family think your DH is an all round good guy says quite a lot. Of course it's possible that he's managed to pull the wool over everyone's eyes except those of your mum and your sisters. Or, just maybe, the issue here isn't your DH but your family.

My parents only wish is for their family to be happy and they bend over backwards for us all and are kindness itself. I do wish my dh didn't make himself such an open target (he could put his point across in a more tactful way).

I think what you have written there is both very telling and very sad. In the first sentence you are defending your family by claiming that they are kindness itself yet their behaviour towards your DH suggests that that kindness is entirely conditional. You only get to be the recipient of that kindness and respect if you don't dare rock the boat, don't dare to voice an opinion, and don't dare do anything other than walk on eggshells to avoid triggering another bout of drama and the "open target" of triangulation. That's not kindness, that's closer to tyranny.

HoudiniHissy · 05/01/2012 19:33

nice post snorbs! Grin

AttilaTheMeerkat · 05/01/2012 19:46

"My dad is present but ducks for cover and doesn't want to get involved in all the daftness".

I wondered where your Dad was in all this.

People from dysfunctional families end up playing roles; your Dad is acting out of self preservation and want of a quiet life. He is the bystander to all your birth family's overall dysfunction so I would not let him off the hook entirely here. I would also add that to my mind your mother and eldest sister are scarily alike in terms of personality.

Also what snorbs wrote. Their kindness is truly conditional upon you all not rocking their particular boat by voicing an opinion other than theirs.

You may want yourself to read up on the whole topic of dysfunctional families and how they operate.

maypole1 · 05/01/2012 20:08

Or is it they just don't like him

In my oh family I can never do right from wrong

It was even commented once that I was doing my shoelaces in a funny way on purposes to piss of my mil brother

Really wtf