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Dh seems to continually get my families backs up! ;(

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Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 15:13

Ive been with dh for 17 years. He is hot headed and can be tactless. He is very popular with his friends & my friends. Everyone seems to see him as an all round good guy. However, whenever there is a family event, it always filters back to me that he has offended someone or acted inappropriately. Sometimes I can see he has been out of order, sometimes I am told. The most extreme example is one xmas when my older sister (very opinionated with absolutely no life experience to draw from other than TV) was driving him and my other bil mad, whilst playing trivial pursuit at xmas. She wouldnt let them explain themselves and kept talking over them, shouting them down. In my family we expect everyone to try and reason with her and then just quietly seeth with anger and let it go. Its like talking to a brick wall. He however, in a room full of family and kids, told her to f* off... That went down like a lead balloon. He severely regrets the incident.

This xmas I didnt get my usual phonecall from a sister, mum... telling me what he did to upset someone. We then all met for New Years Day and it didnt go so well. My nephew had a small car accident and my mum answered phone to him and basically went hysterical. My older sister and her DH went down the road to sort it out. My mum is poorly and a big worrier and ran around the house fussing and fretting that nephew only recently passed and is very dsylexic, unconfident and what negative effect will the accident have on him. I tried to reasure her. DH made it clear he thought she was fussing, i.e " mil its only a shunt, no big deal...". She then got in the car to go and check nephew alright and his view of this was clear. It was then just us and younger sis and her dh, i tried to reason with him. I said i know she gets very distressed, ott, but just leave her to it, she will calm down.... He got really angry with me and after said i had humiliated him and was in his face. Rest of the day was a nightmare with mum and older sis only talking about the accident for approx 7 hours! During that time my mum preparing dinner and my 6 year old must have been told by her to stay out of the kitchen as hot oven... I today got told that when family asked what was wrong with him, DH said in a sarcastic voice that my mum had upset him. I can imagine my DH saying that but with the attitude that my son was being a bit of a sulky 6 year old. However, I have also been told in past by family that DH resents anyone tellling DS off, even in the mildest form. I have challenged him and he says that this is not the case. He wants my ds to be well mannered/behaved and wouldn't object.

Sorry so long, its just im so involved its hard to see the wood from the trees. All I hear from friends is what a lovely man he is and my family have such a different view. I think my family expect men not to ever voice an opinion that is contentious, or else they are troublemaking. My older sisters husband daren't voice any opinion on anything and is down trodden but golden son in law. However, I do feel my Dh has respect issues. My parents are very good people and very good to us. He will often say what a wonderful, selfless person my mum is. However, i feel that if she has one of her panicky, fussy episodes, he wont give her an inch. He will make it clear what he thinks. To me, if you respect someone, you give them the benefit of the doubt sometimes. God knows I have kept quiet on enough occassions with his parents. They have earnt your respect so surely you shouldn't be so quick to argue with them. I don't know, Im piggie in the middle. How can they have such a poor opinion of him and I see him so differently. Why cant he sometimes keep the peace, out of love and respect for me? My younger sisters dh sat there quietly, (totally in agreement with DH that my mum was ott) and wouldn't create a scene/issue. Sorry so long, I feel better for writing this all down.

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Chubfuddler · 05/01/2012 20:18

My Dh and mother are like this. I feel your pain.

I have nothing more useful to add than that tbh.

QuintessentiallyShallow · 05/01/2012 20:31

But the family they are so keen to protect, does not include your husband.

How does that make you feel?

2rebecca · 05/01/2012 20:39

I agree that your family sound worse than your husband. I would avoid large family gatherings and just see them in small family units and do your own thing at Christmas. Other people's families en mass can be very hard work if they obviously don't like you.
I think you shoul;d have sided with your husband when your mum was fussing. Worriers get worse if other people pander to their worries and behave as though the fussing is normal. I'm not sure why you didn't say "thank go she's gone, the fussing was driving me nuts as well" instead of having a go at the only person who had the accident in proportion.
Someone should have shut your mum and older sis up if they talked about the accident for 7 hours. If your nephew was there he can't have enjoyed the day either.
Far from being lovely your mother and older sister sound very self centred and intolerant. Anxious people can be very selfish as they are so wound up in their own fussing they have no interest in other people or ability to see other people's points of view.
Someone should have told them both to shut up as the incident was over now, talking about it wouldn't change anything and you wanted to enjoy the day.
If this was my family I would have left and gone for a long walk with son and husband.

Viewofthehills · 05/01/2012 20:56

You said you are usually good at seeing both sides and it sounds to me as if that is just what you are doing and that is why it is hard- you feel protective of both sides .

I have been in this situation and it only got better when i stopped being piggy in the middle. Just stop defending them to each other- acknowledge how they feel- yes i know you find him/ her hard going,abrupt or whatever and move on. They are adults, all of them, let them get on with it as much as poss.

Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 21:16

To some extent I think many families are dysfunctional. I always found the programme wife swap interesting. There always seemed to be one completely unreasonable wife. However, only when both were removed from their family, did even the seemingly reasonable wife and family realise that some of their behaviour/attitudes & beliefs were habit, but not always healthy or appropriate. We all have something we could learn from each other.

On the whole, my parents love and support is genuinely unconditional. I know this as I have seen it truely tested by someone's erratic behaviour. However, both hate conflict and have allowed my older sister to get away with bullish behaviour. My dh came along and challenged it and wrongly they took issue with the person who rocked the boat. Family dynamics are clearly very complex. I haven't painted them in a good light, thats for sure. Im quite honest about my own inadequacies. I have always been an open book and find it difficult to keep my own counsel. I haven't helped DH as when we were first married and went through quite normal adjustment, I would 'run to mummy' and spill my heart out. I would then expect her to forget it all and welcome dh with open arms. I see now that my mum isn't always the right person to confide in about marital issues, nor my sisters, who store up the info and can hold it against him.

It has been easier for me to take issue with my dh rather than my family. I have often just looked at who has lost their temper or been tactless, rather than the cause. He himself accepts that he is hot headed and whilst he can often be in the right, he spoils it by being rude or shouting.

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Heleninahandcart · 05/01/2012 21:17

Sorry OP but I think your family sound very tricky to negotiate. Your DH by contrast sounds very straight forward. If you try and put yourself in your DH's place, there is this big family which prattles on gets things slightly out of proportion, take offence at the slightest thing as decided by the family, and all seem to gang up to snitch on DH for crimes against humanity responsible for their unreasonable behaviour.

He's your DH. Its not his fault your family are like they are, he could be allowed the odd 'fuck off' every 17 years of so Grin

Seriously OP, others have posted some very thoughtful insights on here. I do think you've got a pair of rose tinted family specs on here. It's time to stop letting them treat you as an accomplice and DH as some sort of interloper. Face them like the grown up capable woman you are.

Heleninahandcart · 05/01/2012 21:25

Cross posts OP whilst he can often be in the right, he spoils it by being rude or shouting. Your DH doesn't have to measure up to any of their standards.

LaurieFairyCake · 05/01/2012 21:34

I don't think you need to side with anyone. I regularly have disagreements with my BIL at family functions and would be very surprised if dh intervened in any way.

I think it sounds like they can all handle themselves fine - if I were you I would just refuse to listen to any slagging off of the other party - say 'take it up with them, not me'.

You are slightly over identifying with both 'sides' - don't bother, let them dislike them if they choose - he sounds big enough to take it Grin

He's an individual too, you know - not just your husband. -Wink it doesn't reflect on you.

Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 21:37

Some of the posts are hard to read but I am taking them on board. Loving someone and thinking they are a good person, doesn't mean I can't accept their faults. Because Dh has often been the person shouting the loudest, I blame him. Without wanting to be accused of drip feeding, he really doesn't help himself and I am often stuck in the middle. I suppose because the whole family (me very much included Blush ) fuss and over analyse, he doesn't always take people's views seriously. One really big family argument (death slide gate Wink ) was caused because my younger sister had said her 5 year old dd didnt want to go down a very steep slide in a soft play area. His attitude was that it wouldn't kill her and she might enjoy it. He let our niece sit up the top as she wanted to see what it was like, and then pushed her down. Niece cried and younger sis came racing over and gave him a mouthful in front of all. He felt humilated and gave as good as he got. Hence massive family argument and later that day her placid dh squaring up to my dh and my dh having to be pulled away. Lots of nasty verbal abuse and none of us talking for months. We sound like trailer trash and bad parents but I am squishing years of incidents into one thread. Oh look what you have all made me do, its all flooding out now! Grin

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Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 21:39

Lauriefairycake

"You are slightly over identifying with both 'sides' - don't bother, let them dislike them if they choose - he sounds big enough to take it

He's an individual too, you know - not just your husband. - it doesn't reflect on you."

Very true, I am starting to finally 'get it'.

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2rebecca · 05/01/2012 22:10

I think he could just about get away with the death slide thing with his own kid but not someone else's. I can imagine my brother doing that with one of my kids though, but if they cried at the bottom he would probably have apologised and tried to cheer them up. Your sister shouting at him is understandable, but the rest of the family shouldn't have then pitched in as surely the important thing is to repair the relationship between uncle and niece not make it worse.

mynewpassion · 05/01/2012 22:27

I only read you defending your family's actions but never your DH's. Or you make excuses for your family's actions.

Enough is enough. Stop blaming your DH for everything. Sure he's at fault for some things but the way you write, he's at fault for everything.

You should tell your family to stop slagging off your husband. If they have issues with him, tell them to take it up with him. This is YOUR HUSBAND and father to your children. Would you want his family members constantly slagging you off to him?

You need to "man-up" and stand up for your husband, too.

Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 22:27

I badly explained it 2rebecca, only my sister and dh argued at soft play. We were all staying in a cottage, (I know what was I thinking) & the argument continued there and then her dh got involved. I tried to stop it and parents witnessing it all. A really horrible incident. Words said in haste that were hard to forget later.

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Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 22:30

mynewpassion - I am beginning to see that.

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mynewpassion · 05/01/2012 22:33

I don't know if you want us to think bad about your DH and say that your family is 100% right in their hatred, annoyance, dislike of your DH and you are justified in siding with them over him.

Like I said, he's at fault some of the times but the blame rests more on your family than on him. You are not helping by slagging him off to your family and blaming him for not being a meek, submissive husband.

QuintessentiallyShallow · 05/01/2012 22:40

Seems like you are a family of molly coddled pussy-foots. Sorry.

I have never before heard about a 5 year old too chicken to go down a slide.
Has the wee mite never been taken to a playground before?
What child has not experienced a gentle push down a slide?

I am sorry, the more you explain, the more normal your dh sounds, and the more bonkers the rest of you sound!!

Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 22:43

mynewpassion

I actually feel relieved that the responses are sympathetic to my Dh. I haven't wanted to talk to friends about it and so I used this thread as a sounding board. I have just been in denial for a long time, hoping if my dh doesn't react, that we can all just get along. I obviously over simplified the issues and I really wouldnt want a nodding dog for a dh.

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Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 22:46

QuintessentiallyShallow

Havent you seen the red vertical drop slides they have in some soft play areas? I would be scared to go down it! Blush

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QuintessentiallyShallow · 05/01/2012 22:48

I am afraid I havent.

I am also afraid I just somehow managed to copy and paste my previous post to you in my facebook status.

Shock Blush

Should teach me to be more polite.

Imjustagirl · 05/01/2012 22:50

QuintessentiallyShallow

Now thats funny! Wink

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2rebecca · 05/01/2012 22:52

When mine were young I put them on my knee and went down the first time. They look worse than they are though, and I'm surprised she cried at the bottom rather than thinking "that was fun".

KoPo · 06/01/2012 00:03

In some ways you could be talking about my DH and his relationship with my family. The thing is I learned a good while ago that my family were never going to accept DH and that is their loss. Your DH sounds pretty good to me.

My DH also is loved by nearly everyone who meets him and despite his immense size makes people feel at ease. Yet my family try to undermine him and attack him over any given excuse. And Yes DH can be very blunt and to the point when challenged in this way. The odd fuck off has come from his mouth before, but more often biting sarcasm and brush offs.

You have my sympathy with dealing with the situation but you really need to show your DH a bit more support in his. That dosent have to mean fight his battles but it also means not making excuses for your family's behaviour.

Imjustagirl · 06/01/2012 00:18

Thanks Kopo, I realise now that I have been hard on Dh. I cant help wishing they would all play nicely! Wink

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mummytime · 06/01/2012 06:40

Sorry my 8 year old is too chicken to go down a slide, and would be hysterical. And if someone pushed her I would be very furious. She is genuinely terrified of some things, and it is cruel to make her do them (that doesn't mean we don't try to encourage her).

However on the whole I tend to side with your DH, and would find your family and "enforced closeness" a bit hard to cope with.

Sylvana · 06/01/2012 07:15

I'm another one in this situation - the dynamics are very similar, so I sympathise OP. I think you've gotten great advice on this thread.

I come from a very close knit family of 4 sisters, one sister in particular is very opinionated and doesn't suffer fools gladly, she is the 'boss' if you like. My Mum is also a very strong character, my Dad just appeases her and would do anything to avoid conflict. Its very much frowned upon if you don't tow the party line and agree with these two strong women. It would never result in arguments but there have been many times over the years when my dh, or my bils, would be frozen out or given the silent treatment over perceived incidents.

In my case my Mum and sis wouldn't ring me up and tell me what dh had done, it would dawn on me eventually that dh must have offended them by their passive-aggressive behaviour towards him.

This is just as bad, in a way, because even though it avoided conflict, it resulted in me anguising over what dh could have said to annoy them. Its very much a personality clash between my family and my dh ... my family don't have a great sense of humour, whereas dh comes from a family who love to take the piss out of each other and have a laugh. When dh makes a 'joke' my family don't often see the funny side and can take offence.

Like your family, mine are also very supportive ... and have helped me and dh out in so many ways over the years. They would drop what they are doing and be here if we needed them at any time. My Mum and sis may have their faults, but they are also two of the most selfless people I know - a paradox - and maybe that's why I've put up with their behaviour over the years.

They do all make a big effort to get on, and I'm thankful for that and its getting easier as time goes on. My dh also has loads of friends, is a decent and kind man, so I've always been reassured that its more to do with my family than a problem with my dh.

We tried the going on holiday together, but I won't do it anymore because it causes too much grief even if people do get on! I also try to keep Christmas and family gatherings short and sweet, as the old saying goes .... familiarity breeds contempt Grin