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I need to confront my best friend - for me I think it's friendship over. (LONG)

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auburnlizzy78 · 30/11/2011 12:44

Just asking if her behaviour is as poor as I think it is and that I'm not about to end a 15 year friendship over nothing.

We have been friends since the sixth form, lived together for a bit, always had a laugh and been there for each other through the bad times (illness, bereavement, relationships etc). We live about 80 miles apart now but relationship always been rock solid and we have always called each other our best friend. She was chief BM at my wedding in 2007, I was at hers this year. I had my DS in October 2010, she has no kids yet.

I have had terrible PND arising from PTSD after the birth due to sleep deprivation and poor post natal care. Prescribed ADs in July 2011 - now recovering and feeling much brighter. She has followed it all via my status updates on FB (one of the main ways me and my old schoolmates and new mum/dad friends communicate and share war stories as it's not always easy these days to meet up!), I did not say I had PND but it was VERY obvious what a tough time we were having with the baby. She never ONCE emailed, texted or phoned to ask how I was. Other friends knew and I find it impossible that it would not have come up in conversation amongst the group. Instead we talked about her wedding - I ended up, despite being actually quite ill, organising two hen dos in two separate cities for her (and you know how much work they can be), taking the time to be there whenever she needed me for dress fittings, advice etc. I asked her if she was really busy with the wedding but she always said it was fine and there wasn't much to do. She went from telling me about the minutiae to telling me nothing at all, not telling me she was moving house until it came up when we were with a group of friends - we used to share everything. The wedding day itself was great and I plastered on a big smile but I was under terrible strain - by then I had actually told myself that I was just going to get through her wedding, and then planned to go away and commit suicide. June, July and parts of August were hell on earth and I don't know how I'm still here.

I did tell her I had been driven to consider suicide, later in September when we were talking about her SIL who had just had a baby and who I was worried about being treated crappily in hospital - I told her about my PTSD etc. No response. My son has recently been quite ill and I posted on FB about him being given an emergency nebuliser in hospital., ventolin etc. No response. I know she saw it because over the next couple of hours and days there were multiple posts about how she'd gone to Westfield and bought some fantastic purple shoes - finally, five days later when we all met up she finally asked how DS was.

In the meantime, despite my own problems, I have multiple examples of still being there myself for other friends, travelling three hours to visit their sick parents in hospital, giving gifts, sending texts. She's been "sooooo busy" - post after post about how TIRED she is rehearsing for her am dram dance shows, plenty of time to post and comment on other people's updates but absolute, very obvious, radio silence to anything I put up - even photos of my son. She has no fertility problems that we know of, they aren't trying for a child so it can't be anything to do with that?

The absolute last straw however has been her "shockened and saddened" outpourings after the recent death of Gary Speed, about how she wants to help highlight awareness of depression, we must be understanding of people with the condition, mustn't judge, must be there for them, how tragic, how we don't know what's going on in people's heads etc etc, and people purring back at her "beautifully put", "completely agree" - WHERE WAS SHE WHEN I NEEDED HER? Fucking nowhere. One post on the subject was irritating. Three in four days has had me about to put my computer through the window.

If you got to the end well done. Is this a friendship worth keeping? If I confront her it will never be the same again, but I can't just let it die away gradually with her carrying on in blissful ignorance.

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Dozer · 30/11/2011 20:19

Sounds like the friendship has run its course for now, which is sad.

Not to excuse her behaviour, it sounds like there could be more going on with her life than meets the eye. People often say they're not ttc for a couple of years to take the pressure of scrutiny off.

"I put a lot of effort into my friendships, no matter how bad I feel I will NEVER let a friend down who needs me for something."

Think this is actually quite a self-destructive attitude, sometimes it's good to put yourself first, that's not wrong, and if you're unwell then you can't care properly for the DC.

grumplestilskin · 30/11/2011 20:21

""I put a lot of effort into my friendships, no matter how bad I feel I will NEVER let a friend down who needs me for something."

Think this is actually quite a self-destructive attitude, sometimes it's good to put yourself first, that's not wrong, and if you're unwell then you can't care properly for the DC"

and also its quite an exhausting trait in a friend if they never know when to put looking after themselves first

auburnlizzy78 · 30/11/2011 20:40

All good points, and my skin is thick enough to take that, melted. If she had never had a problem in her life I could understand that she couldn't cope with depressed people, but she has been through bereavement, some unbelievably shockingly shit relationships over the course of months and years a few years back and I have always been at her side, even though sometimes I've had to steel myself to learn about the next horrible instalment. It's just what you do, when it's your best mate. Rough with the smooth, like being in a marriage! So if she did notice, whatever her private thoughts, she should have been there as I was for her. And if she didn't notice, shame on her. It's her public preaching on depression post Gary Speed (see my OP) which I find so unbearably hypocritical.

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auburnlizzy78 · 30/11/2011 20:47

Cross posts - yes, Dozer, Grumple, my DH tells me the same thing.

Wonder if it's the same personality trait; the need to make martyresque, long-term exhaustive efforts made for another person without much thought for the effect on me as "giver" which led to the PND in the first place. Interesting.

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Mimmee · 30/11/2011 20:49

OP sounds like you've been having a really hard time, glad you're feeling stronger now.

I have a very close friend I have known for years, lived together at Uni, travelled together etc.

When she had her DS1 4 years ago we did drift apart and I found it quite difficult to relate to her. Looking back on it now I think she was depressed, but at the time it just seemed like every time I spoke to her she was complaining about something which is very hard to be around.

If I'm completely honest I was also jealous as she had the relatonship/baby and I was struggling myself at the time with an eating disorder (Which I didn't talk about or admit to). So when she would complain, I would think "what are you whinging about? You're really lucky".

I've since had DD and she has had DS2 at a similar time and I can honestly say we are closer than ever now. I can understand now how she was feeling at the time and we have much more common ground and able to support each other.

Now I do feel guilty that I didn't support her more, but I just didn't understand how she could feel like she did and I had problems of my own which I didn't want to "burden" her with as she was so busy with her DS.

Perhaps your friend has struggled to understand how you feel or the depth of your depression and she may have issues herself which you aren't even aware of.

I suppose what I am trying to say is that friendships can go through cycles when you are at different stages of your lives. Maybe take a step back for the time being and see what happens. You may find there comes a time when you become closer again and you're really glad you continued the friendship.

DioneTheDiabolist · 30/11/2011 21:13

OP, how did your best friend react when you told her how hard things have been for you when you met in person?

ChitChattingElf · 30/11/2011 21:13

I'm so sorry you've been through such a hard time, Lizzy. You really must have been to hell and back, and you know what? If she was as good a friend as she believed she was then she SHOULD have been there for you. You left enough clues on FB and txt messages. You TOLD her in person about your depression and how close you came to suicide. You've kept in touch with chatty txts and she's just not responded. The problem is i think you are a better friend to her than she is to you, but there's never been a situation which has put it to the test like this has.

I think you have enough in common and enough history to maintain a friendship if you really want to, but TBH I think you need to accept that she is just not going to be the friend in need.

Keep her casual, and remember that you have to put yourself first.

The other thing that concerns me is your statement that you are ALWAYS there for your friends. You made me think of my sister - she always gives soooo much of herself to her friends, so much that others just cannot give back what she gives them. After awhile she gets so angry that she doesn't get back enough of the friendship that she just writes her friends off.

Now I don't think you are this bad, as you have maintained lots of friendship since school days, which is not something she has managed to do, but this obssessional behaviour of hers is actually a way of escaping from dealing with her own psychological problems. Perhaps if you spent a bit more time on yourself, and facing the problems in your life you might not have sunk to the depths that you did. Helping others is a good way of running away from your problems - fine to do in moderation, but when it continues too long your problems will explode. (Sad Trust me, judging by where my sister is emotionally at the moment you do NOT want this to happen!)

meltedchocolate · 30/11/2011 21:20

Sorry OP but I disagree, for some people, the more you take the less you are able to cope with. If she has been through so much she may not be able to cope at all with your stuff now. Friendship is nothing like a marriage sorry.

Barreal · 01/12/2011 11:57

Fuzzynavel is quite a kant.

It's not just about the FB updates, you had real time with her, you organised some hen nights and so on, and not once did she show concern towards you.
If I were you, I'd unfriend her on FB and be done with it.
She's not worth the effort.
By the way, I don't think Mr Speed committed suicide.
No way.
But it's none of our business.
Your friend is a selfish attention seeker.
Be rid of her and concentrate on your new friends.

fuzzynavel · 01/12/2011 16:43

Are you saying what I think you're saying Barreal? If so tsk, no need for that is there now

countrylover · 02/12/2011 10:08

My best friend (who I've known since school) suffered from depression for years and I never quite 'got' it. When I told her I was pregnant with DS1 she tried to commit suicide. (I do know that it wasn't just this which caused her to take an overdose, it was the icing on the cake)

I was extremely resentful towards her throughout the whole of my pregnancy as she took no interest in it whatsoever and never made any reference to me having a baby. When DS1 was born and in intensive care for two weeks, she had a go at me for not remembering to get a her a birthday present. (I had got a card but obviously hadn't had time to get her a present)

I know for a fact all she could think about was herself and how jealous she was that I was married and had a baby. She couldn't see what I was going through with a very sick baby and just didn't 'get' it.

My point is that we just didn't understand what the other one was going through. Our friendship was under immense strain for several years. There were many times when I thought I can't do this any more, it was just too draining. I also ended up with PTSD and PND after the birth of DS1 and she wasn't there for me at all.

I then had PND with DS2 and she was there for me a bit more, phoning me to check I was ok and occasionally coming round to help out if DH was away. It really meant a lot to me. With my PND with DS2 I really did sink to the depths of despair and I think I finally understood how desperately lonely, isolating and scary it can be when you're depressed.

Now she is pregnant with her own baby and is happily settled with the right man. We have come full circle and having stuck it out through good times and (very) bad times we're coming out the other side with our friendship in tact. It's been hard work but I feel, it's been worth it.

I would talk to your friend or if you find it easier, send an email but it sounds to me as if you're just on different paths at the moment but it's still worth fighting for.

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