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Been a complete mug for money, cannot understand it.

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Saturdaysgirl · 09/11/2011 15:13

Hi,

I posted a couple of weeks back about my long distance relationshi[p with Mr california and how he was out of work STILL and I was sick of sending over money to pay his rent. We were engaged and I was looking at emigrating, leaving my flat in this climate. I was continually worried about the whole scene.

Well it has escalated.

When I wrote that thread, I did indeed break up with him. I may be a fool sometimes, but it never lasts too long, and I told him not to change, but I was going to leave. The issues were him drinking too much (binging every two or three weeks, sometimes longer breaks in between but still drinking all day the next day and then maybe the next and the next day after that as well!!!!) - him not having been in stable work cos he couldn't afford to insure his car and therefore would not drive it. Exceot to drink drive down to the store for more JD.

When I went there for visit no 4 in Sept, he had passed out the one time we had a few drinks (I was thinking, I've got to leave, this is awful, but HOW am I going to do it without hurting him???) - anyway I went on his laptop and his facebook was open and I looked (great adult relationship behaviour which I am ashamed of) and found lots of messages from old girlfriends of his.

Stuff like (from one girl) 'You broke my heart blah blah' - why is he having recent convos like that with girls???

One from him - 'Why aren't we fucking??? Its the one thing we were good at!'

I thought, well that's obviously it. I told him in the morning and he said it was all innocent and that he says inappropriate things when he is drunk.

You are all going 'Yeah yeah' right now.

In my heart I was terribly worried. How would I bring the whole scene off - for both of us? How would I sort my flat to rent it safely, go there, wjhat if his income was always sporadic??? I mean srsly? I certainly didn't want to be paying for it all!

And then emails like that??? Innocent or not, I am not having that sort of conversation with ANY other men. If it was innocent, the one thing he couldn't explain was the fact that he was dealing inappropriately with other women.

Anyway so I came home grave in my heart, but carried on.

One day I saw ANOTHER comment on facebook!! This time it was regarding a photo - 'Oh you're so beautiful, kinda missing my ex-girlfriend right now....' (That girl was his ex.) I negged him to set me free. He told me he was cheering her up, she is gay and split with her girlfriend, I am mean for not
wanting him to cheer her up!!!

Again, innocent or not, I don't want to be with a man who behaves like that. It had to end.

Then that breakup took place. It was so sad! We had been so close, I had committed to marrying him, I liked my new surname - all that. I broke up with him on the Saturday and facebooked that gay woman asking if she'd keep an eye on him cos I thought he might drink too much and I worried about him having a heart attack cos he got chest pains - I mean srsly, give up the drink fool!!!

I didn't hear from her until Monday night.

Foolishly, I had got back with him in the interim week!! He had emailed me such a sweet message saying that he was still there, not going anywhere, he was quietly going to carry on with the shit job he is doing and get things together and somehow we'd find a way. I was happy on one hand but the dreadful worries also come along with that.

BUT he drank all weekend again!!!! I hate it! I woke up early on Monday yet a bloody gain, worrying about his suitability. I then told him that. It hung in the balance. I dreaded breaking up with him AGAIN - not to hurt him you see!!!

When I got home, that woman had responded to me - asking me what dates we were together and had we ever made it official!

On the one hand, that let me off the hook completely - fresh start, don't have to worry about him at all, the END.

On the other - has he mugged me off for 2 years???????????

I actually rang her up for a chat. This is what she said -
a) He has always been crashing at people's places, borrowing money, in and out of work.
b) He had her up the wall by her throat when they were 21.
c) He cheated on her.
d) They went to a gig together in May which he was contacting me all the way around - 'Hi I'm going love you!! Hi I'm back, had a great time, here are the photos and youtube vids.' I was lying on nmy sofa thinking, aww bless he's had a nice time, good for him!!!
e) On Oct 16 he sent her a private msg which she read to me saying she had the most beautiful face he had ever seen and something about can she come round as he wants to kiss her.

She then let me be her friend on facebook so I could see her video of the gig. I was too drunk by the time I watched it to really see him, and didn't care by that time anyway. But I did see lots of long comment threads between them, very intimate, she chased him sometimes, but he was saying stuff which I consider to be inappropriate.

I wrote to her thanking her for letting me see all that, but saying I had also seen the way she had been speaking to my boyfriend and never wanted to hear from he or her ever again, and then I blocked her.

I have told him he is a waster and a loser and that I hated America anyway and felt lucky to have escaped him and not lost my little flat and only watsed 2 years on him.

But now it is sinking in and I don't know what to think. I believed in the lovely long emails he wrote to me. He used to talk to me all the time. Morning noon and night. I cannot reconcile it with having secrets. I had no secrets from him. I haven't been paying his rent since Aug and have sent nothing for some weeks now, and he was working and I honestly believed in him, that he could work it all out and we would be fine.

But I cannot reconcile the other women and the money I have leant him and the lies. Have I been a complete fool? I cannot believe it.

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AnyFucker · 09/11/2011 18:35

Completely barking.

OP, if you are for real, you are a target for every internet dating scammer in the whole world

ShockinHolyTempers · 09/11/2011 18:38

OP, he played you bigtime but you put your hand out to be slapped I'm afraid.

You only have his word for it that it was his Mothers birthday I suppose?

Really in life you need to look at what people DO and not what they SAY. Talk is cheap and it's ever so easy for unscrupulous parasites like him to create a persona online that will reel in the vulnerable.

You should never automatically believe everything a person says, watch what they do. Drinkers are a bad bet. Men who ask you for money are a bad bet. A man who asks you to marry him after 4 meetings is a bad bet. Those things are suspicious and are things you should look out for.

The other women too. You believed everything he told you at face value. Even that his ex was gay, well maybe she is but more likely it was a story to throw you off the scent and a pretty obvious one at that.

Red flags all over the place. If I were you I would go along and get some Cognitive behavioural therapy. It's really good. It will help you see how your own behaviour led you into this situation. It will help you learn to value yourself so that you don't desperately cling to obvious users/losers like this man ever again.

There are millions of people like him in the world all looking for someone to parasite off. They see their targets weak point and they exploit that for their own gain. They are scum. Learn to recognise them and their behaviour and be a lot more discerning about who you give your love to in future. Please don't ever give someone money in blind faith again!

noddyholder · 09/11/2011 18:40

How old are you? Unless you are 16 I agree with AF

Saturdaysgirl · 09/11/2011 18:44

I think you are all right.
I am 37 years old.

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AnyFucker · 09/11/2011 18:45

Noddy, my 16yo would spout bollocks like that < sigh >

AnyFucker · 09/11/2011 18:45

would not gawd

NettleTea · 09/11/2011 18:47

Noddy, was just about to ask the same question
Bit too much West Coast phoney-spirituality if you ask me - sure fire way for egotistical losers to get into a young girl's pants (and purse)
Believe me, Ive worked on the 'alternative' therapy / free spirit commune circuit, and Ive seen evil evil men serious exploit vulnerable young women looking for some kind of meaning.
freer spirit my arse. That just means he doesnt want to be tied down to what most people would consider normal relationship boundaries.
And I bet a million dollars that 99% of the stories are fake.

Please, go get yourself some reputable, clinical evidence based therapy.

NettleTea · 09/11/2011 18:48

OK, even some vulnerable slightly older women Blush

Saturdaysgirl · 09/11/2011 18:52

Nettle it was me who was spiritual. he used to go about how there couldn't be a God, I mean on and on, and I thought it was because his parents both died and he couldn't believe in anything ever since.

I know just what you mean about nasty free spirit spirituality and that is not what I am talking about, what I believe in.

I got into self help books when I was 22 and they helped me a lot. I had big problems back then. I am about 256 years into a consistent spiritual practise, but I must still be too scared to let anyone in, for real intimacy.

Hence I type on the internet when I should be getting out. Everything you are all saying is completrely true. I have got a lot to do. I am scared about the things I do. I am so off key still, in this way anyway. :(

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Saturdaysgirl · 09/11/2011 18:53

oops 15 years!

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Saturdaysgirl · 09/11/2011 18:54

But I would like to say as well that I think the rest of you are being a bit shallow about spirituality. Distance did seem to be nothing sometimes.

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LIZS · 09/11/2011 19:03

But that just isn't real life ! Please read it back to yourself. You have concocted a romantic dream out of ... what exactly ? Did you ever meet anyone who knew him or could corroborate any of his stories ? He has undoubtedly encouraged your hopes for his own purposes but somehow you seem an easy and willing victim. Do you have anything or anyone in rl you could throw your energies into instead. Otherwise I fear you may be drawn back in to his fabricated lifestyle and exploited.

ShockinHolyTempers · 09/11/2011 19:06

Look where it's led you though OP. Distance did seem to be nothing. But it WAS something. It's all very well being spiritual but being spiritual doesn't mean abrogating all personal responsibility for yourself. You have a duty of care to look after yourself and not to allow yourself be used and abused by charletons and worse.

You can't base your life decisions on what things seem to be. That's all gossamer on the wind. Impressions, nothing tangible, it exists but it doesn't iyswim.

In a way it's a cop out. You said it yourself. You've been hiding behind the keyboard. Time to make a change. It's a whole lot easier to live in reality and to learn the skills you need to take care of yourself emotionally.

Well I'm getting preachy now so I'll shut up.

AnyFucker · 09/11/2011 19:09

Distance is what you need

A very long way from men like this

In fact, don't touch 'em with a barge pole

Those photos of previous houses he owned. They weren't his. That is schoolgirl stuff, really it is.

I very rarely victim-blame, and I certainly didn't start off doing it on this thread.

But, fgs, you have got "steal all my money and shit all over me" written right across your forehead

squeakytoy · 09/11/2011 19:55

I remember your last thread.

I think you need to step away from the internet, get out into the real world, and make some friends who will stop you from doing this again. I dont mean that in a nasty way at all, but you have gullible written all over you, and I fear you will fall for the next sob story too.

squeakytoy · 09/11/2011 19:56

I also think you need to quit all those self help books too. Most of those are written by any old "expert", and are a complete load of bollocks designed to get people to part with money for nothing.

Saturdaysgirl · 09/11/2011 20:00

Hi, funny enough I came back on to say pretty much the same thing. Thanks for all the advice. I turned the internet off and look how I had to come back on for this. I have to change how I relate to people. Thanks for all of your help.

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Saturdaysgirl · 09/11/2011 20:00

By the way anyfucker I really don't like the sorts of things you say. I think this when I read other threads too.

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itspeanutbutterjellytime · 09/11/2011 20:06

But OP AF is right. I don't really know how it can be dressed up or said nicer. But you really have got 'take me for a ride' written all over you. You are the dream of a man like this.

Get out into the world. Meet people not through the Internet. It's so important.

suburbophobe · 09/11/2011 20:10

You had a lucky escape! Imagine being married and spending the rest of your life with this deadbeat.....He would bleed you dry financially and emotionally and you'd most likely end up his nurse/maid....

I have a card on the board in my kitchen with the following text. I would suggest you hang one up too.

"Fool me once, shame on you, Fool me twice, shame on me"

SirSugar · 09/11/2011 20:17

This thread is like finding yourself inside a Salvador Dali. Absolutely fucking surreal.

NettleTea · 09/11/2011 20:23

Yep, you need to get out and mix with real people so that you can hone your instincts and watch how they interact.
self help books have their place but they are no replacement for real social interaction. It sounds as if something has happened in the past which has shut you away, afraid to let people close, and that is what some decent councilling or therapy could help to unravel, and help you understand why you were so willing to believe what was being told to you, and throw your hand in with someone after such a short period of time.
I totally can relate to this, and to your story, I allowed myself to be swept along on a fantasy, full of strange premonitions and dreams, to trust someone totally, give them my love, support, money after the briefest of time which was full of meaning and destiny(sorry, that sounds corny, and it is) for me, but I had 'sucker' written all over me. Mine took years to extracate myself from, luckily you have had only a couple of years.
therapy, especially CBT, really was a lifesaver.
The spiritual path is supposed to make you grow, not set you up to be so weak that you can be manipulated by people like this. You need to be able to function in the real world too.

AnyFucker · 09/11/2011 20:46

SG I don't expect you to like the things I say

but that's ok, really and no more than I would expect, tbh

You sound sweet and a lovely person to know, but gawd, you are a magnet for the users Sad

I don't recall any of your previous threads (it seems some people do) but perhaps I have posted on them with similar comments ?

try listening ?

it can't end any worse than what you seem to currently be setting yourself up for

maleview70 · 09/11/2011 21:03

In my experience of life there is no one more foolish than a woman in love. All sense just seems to go out of the window.

AnyFucker · 09/11/2011 21:08

erm, MV, men can be equally dumb where "romantic love" is concerned

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