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Abusive relationship or just making a fuss? (long)

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followmrspoon · 14/10/2011 11:56

Hi, I?ve lurked here for a while and been really inspired by the stories of all you amazing ladies and certainly learned a lot about relationships. However, I?m ashamed to say, I never really thought that it would be me.

I?ve been with my partner for 5 years and we are due to get married next year. For a long time I really couldn?t put my finger one what was wrong. We argued a lot and I came to feel anxious and stressed and felt that I had no control over my life. I felt he criticised everything I did and that nothing was ever good enough for him. He sulked a lot and I felt he could be quite ?anal? and pedantic towards insignificant things and always wanted his own way.

Last year the deal breaker for me was when I came home to find him sulking as usual. He was angry that I had not done a particular household task. In order to ?teach me a lesson? he had taken the household item and used it to ruin some of my things. I couldn?t work out exactly why this freaked me out. It was not so much that what he did was disgusting but more that the thought behind it seemed to be vindictive and spiteful. Weeks later we had another argument and he tried to shove me out of bed. He told me that if I didn?t change my behaviour then I should get out (of our shared rented flat). I packed my bags and left the next morning. I was honestly just relived but it seemed a lot to throw away and others seemed to agree.

We went to counselling and he argued that I didn?t respect his feelings and he didn?t feel loved enough. I was resentful and spoke about how I felt controlled and belittled and how the vindictive streak frightened me. We talked all this through over months with the counsellor and things seemed to improve. I moved back in with him and everything was good. A month later he proposed. I didn?t really feel ready, but for some silly reason I said yes.

That was a year ago and ever since then I have had doubts. I came to dread discussing weddings and panicked at the thought of our future. We no longer argued and things seemed ok, except I became anxious all the time. I stopped going out and seeing friends or spending money. Not because he threatened me, but because it just seemed easier not to. I have spent the last year feeling like I am going crazy. He frequently told me that I am or that I need help. I couldn?t put my finger on what was wrong. I cried all the time, couldn?t sleep and felt like I was being suffocated. The thought of getting married made me feel sick. I was convinced there was something seriously wrong with me. If only I could stop that annoying feeling then everything would be perfect.

A few weeks ago, I was so worried that I went to see a counsellor. I told her that there was something wrong with me and that I wanted to fix it so that I could be happy. She wanted to talk about the relationship and after a few sessions she mentioned that my relationship sounded abusive. I was completed shocked and convinced she was on the wrong track. I figured I must have exaggerated what was going on, as on the whole my partner is a ?nice? guy who is generous and caring. However it planted a seed in my mind. I stated lurking on here and even read the Lundy Bancroft book. Parts of it could have been written about my partner. I identified with so many of the women in the book that it frightened me. However, I was still convinced that it couldn?t be true. I even chose to ignore everything and just be more enthusiastic about my relationship.

Until a few days ago!

Partner lost his temper big time. He didn?t actually hit me, but was very aggressive, drove like a maniac, caused me to bump my head, shouted names at me, wouldn?t let my out the car then barged past me to the bathroom, where I had been running to hide. I ended up shaking and terrified hiding in the kitchen. Later he came to apologise but I was still so frightened of him I covered in the corner. This shocked him.

We both calmed down and had a frank talk though insanely I didn?t feel angry- I didn?t feel anything. He was devastated and for the first time admitted that his temper was a serious problem and that he wanted to get help. The next day I woke up feeling that it had all been a bad dream and was convinced I must have over-reacted. When I saw my counsellor though she was very frank and spoke about a pattern of behaviour. She was worried that the next time he will actually hit me. He came home that night with the biggest bunch of flowers. That actually seemed to make it more real.

However, I just couldn?t face telling this to anyone, I sound insane. It seems crazy. These things happen to other people. I am studying for a post-graduate degree. My partner is in a high level professional career. We live in a trendy part of a large city.

Yesterday I worked up the courage to tell a friend and finally packed my bag. I went back to my parents but my mum has made it clear that she thinks I am exaggerating. She keeps saying how disappointed she is about the life I had planned and how she was so excited about the wedding. She mentions that ?no relationships are perfect? and asked what exactly I said to him to ?make him behave that way?? She has pointed out that, actually I am quite mean, messy and probably annoying. I am sure that is true. She thinks I just need to stand up for myself more and tell him I want to go out or spend money etc.

So, today I have woken up feeling awful. Maybe I have made a huge mistake? I don?t hate him, in fact I feel bad that I have made such a fuss. Maybe I am crazy. Maybe it?s not abusive. Perhaps I should just try harder. It?s so much to throw away and I am too old to meet anyone else and still get married and have kids. The problem is that even he agrees it is abusive behaviour and I spoke to our couples counsellor and she agrees- she even said that his temper was always a problem and that he was controlling- but she thinks he can change.

So, there it is. I finally got out and can breathe but as soon as I did, I am now thinking that it was all a fuss over nothing and that I should just go back and now it will be ok. He is a nice guy and I think I even miss him. Am I crazy? Can controlling and angry men change? Can I learn to ignore him? Am I throwing a good thing away?

Advice please.

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curious2 · 14/10/2011 16:09

followmrspoon, 30 is NOTHING. I had my three kids at almost 33, 35 and 37. I know plenty of people who have had or are having them later than that. This really is not an issue I think (well I know the children part is for you, but having them with an abusive person would be absolutely awful). I am now 42 and wondering if I can get out of the relationship I am in which is really not good to either be happily by myself or to eventually meet someone I can really communicate and feel relaxed with.

bellsring, your first post really struck a chord with me.

curious2 · 14/10/2011 16:21

sorry, meant your second one bellsring - this one

"In an abusive relationship, the arguments are never resolved, the bully doesn't want to do that, he keeps an ongoing feeling of insecurity and uncertainty present for his 'partner'. It's a constant - am I in favour or out of favour with him. You may feel a sense of temporary security occasionally and then - wham - he'll pull the rug out from under you again, and you're left floundering, wondering what the hell is going on? The relationship is not built on a solid base but on shifting sands. And you will never quite match up to his expectations. It's all about what he wants/demands."

Thanks for writing that, that has helped me with some of my own issues as well.

IShouldHaveBeenAPairOfClaws · 14/10/2011 16:54

I suspect that other more well informed porters than me have already given better responses but I just wanted to say that your relationship definitely sounds abusive. Well done for escaping it, please never go back to him. I hope your mum learns to understand in time. It is sad that she isn't immediately on your side.

becstarsky · 14/10/2011 17:18

Grin Just got back from the school run to find lovely bunch of virtual flowers from HerScaryness Aw... shucks Blush Thanks!

followmrspoon glad you're going to tell some RL friends - that will make it more real and give you an anchor to the reality of how bad it was. You're doing great. And 30 - it's no age, woman! I had DS at 35. Better to have just one kid at age 40 with a lovely kind man who is supportive to you and a good father than to have three kids at an earlier age with a bastard who scares you and mentally scars your kids. I promise you.

becstarsky · 14/10/2011 17:41

Oh, and just to back up your resolution - an important advantage of having the right father for your kids - my DH is also teaching my DS to be a good man. There are a lot of amazing mothers out there who manage to teach their DSs to be a good man despite the failings of their partner/expartner but it's a helluva lot harder than a boy just learning by example. (I don't have a DD so can't comment on that, although obv it's just as important). It is such a joy to see my DS use the same phrases as DH to me - just simple ones like 'Oh wow, thanks for making such a lovely tea, Mum!' 'Can I help you do the cleaning, Mum?' and when I make a mistake eg accidentally stepping on his Bakugan 'Argh! Mum! Oh, don't worry I know you didn't do it on purpose. But I do feel angry about it, so I'm just going to go and have a moment of being angry in my room.' Followed by him coming out a few minutes later and all being well between us. (Ah, expressing anger through words... the ultimate achievement for a small boy imo!) He does it because he sees/hears his Dad do it. And somewhere out there growing up is a potential daughter-in-law who will have a kind man to love one day. It's not just about our own happiness although you deserve that too.

Nickyleigh · 14/10/2011 18:01

Am sorry to hear you are going through this, at 19 years old i met the father of my child (he is now a wonderful 16year old boy). I ignored the warning signs that you are talking about and the kind of things you think you may be exaggerating about, believe me its not in all in your head or the "norm" for a relationship. I went on to have my child with a man who mentally abused me, this led to physical violence eventually and am ashamed to say this was witnessed by our child at the time (3years old and thankgoodness he doesnt remember a thing about it). I eventually plucked up the courage to leave and spent several months in a womens refuge followed by a hostel full of not very nice people. I would never take my son out of the equation as he is my world, however there is not a day goes by that i dont feel guilty about the early years of his life and how i could have been stronger. He too went for counselling and i have to say not to tar everyone with the same brush but i do believe if someone has a temper it's never going to leave them. I am now in a very loving relationship with someone whom i adore, i always thought i would never meet anyone as had literally had all my confidence and my faith in men destroyed. Your mother may be disappointment at the moment, this would be nothing to her disappointment to having visit you in hospital or worse still. I hope you have the strength to stay strong and go with your gut feeling.

followmrspoon · 14/10/2011 18:06

Hello again,

Just been out for some cake. Feeling a little better. Thankyou for all the encouraging posts and some inspiring stories. I would put a smiley face but couldn't work out how!!

becstarsky-your little boy sounds lovely. You should be very proud.

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followmrspoon · 14/10/2011 18:24

Thankyou Attila for the practical advice. It is certainly noted. One of the (many) reasons I feel so stupid is that I actually worked for an organisation similar to women's aid. I knew (or thought I knew) all the facts but I still didn't think it could happen to me.

Until I read your post, I didn't consider the issue of what will happen when he knows this is final. My initial thought was: 'no, I doubt he will do anything rash.' But all of a sudden I remember the last time I left him. Before I had even made it to my parents he had announced the breakup and his heart break on facebook. I was so embarrassed. He then emailed our letting agent to give notice on our flat. Instead of simply saying that he was giving notice, he sent a long winded email to the agents telling them how we would have to leave the flat as I had left him. He then emailed me and said that I was making a mistake and throwing our relationship away and that he loved he. I was unsure of what I wanted and he said that if I wasn't prepared to make the relationship work then he would book a flight back to Oz and I would never see him again.

Back then I remember thinking that I really should give it a go, as otherwise it might be a mistake and he would have left the country. In the last few months I sometime wondered why I didn't just let him go.

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bigbird80 · 14/10/2011 21:12

Oh my! He is a clever man. Threatening to leave the country... Bet he wouldn't have really had the balls to do that. You are so lucky you do not have any DC to this man. You can leave him with a clean slate and never have anything to do with him ever again. Many many other women are not so lucky. Hugs to you.

followmrspoon · 14/10/2011 21:47

Thankyou bigbird80. You are probably right.

I have a glass of wine and haven't cried for a good few hours. That is a big improvement on last night.

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izzywhizzysfritenite · 14/10/2011 22:04

If I had been you back then, I would have booked a flight for him - on his credit card, of course.

He's an Australian citizen? If so, you should fall on your knees and praise the lord that you've seen the light because had you married this man, and had he whisked you and dc off to Oz for an extended holiday to meet his rellies or similar, you may have found that you were unable to get back to the UK unless you were prepared to leave your dc behind.

I was making a mistake and throwing our relationship away and that he loved he I guess you meant to type 'me' for that final 'he' but your Freudian slip has revealed that you know that this man isn't capable of loving anyone except himself.

When he told the counsellor that you 'didn't respect his feelings and that he didn't feel loved enough' he was saying that only your complete compliance with his every command would be sufficient to demonstrate your respect and love for him - but I suspect you also know that, even though you prostrated yourself before him, it wasn't enough to please him.

garlicScaresVampires · 14/10/2011 22:17

Can I just thank becstarsky for this about her DS: when I make a mistake eg accidentally stepping on his Bakugan 'Argh! Mum! Oh, don't worry I know you didn't do it on purpose. But I do feel angry about it, so I'm just going to go and have a moment of being angry in my room.' Followed by him coming out a few minutes later and all being well

I didn't even know it was possible. You just opened another 'window' for me, Bec, thank you. x

Anniegetyourgun · 15/10/2011 14:23

What a little love :)

becstarsky · 16/10/2011 09:23

Smile you're welcome, that's lovely of you to say garlicscaresvampires and Anniegetyourgun (BTW, I did buy him a new Bakugan since it was me that crunched his Drago to smithereens!)

I am very proud of DS for the way he deals with anger, but DH gets all the credit for it. DS is just doing what he sees his Dad do - he's got a great role model. And maybe there's a bit of genetics - he may have inherited his Dad's kind-hearted responsible nature as well.

akaemwahahahafrost · 16/10/2011 09:48

Yes you are being abused, your Mum is clueless. SHE is disappointed?! Tough sh*t! I wonder if your Mum is actually a bit of an abuser herself quite frankly. If my dd came home and told me what you have told her I would have to be restrained from finding this man and telling him and more in no uncertain terms what I thought of him.

The very, very best thing about this situation is that you do not have children with this man. You can simply disappear if you want to.

If you stay in this relationship I can promise you that there will come a time when he doesn't even apologise anymore, the more he does it and the more you stay the more "normal" it becomes.

Yes you could ignore him abusing you, I did that for 8 years, I had a nervous breakdown at the end of it.

akaemwahahahafrost · 16/10/2011 09:51

"Before I had even made it to my parents he had announced the breakup and his heart break on facebook. I was so embarrassed. He then emailed our letting agent to give notice on our flat. Instead of simply saying that he was giving notice, he sent a long winded email to the agents telling them how we would have to leave the flat as I had left him. He then emailed me and said that I was making a mistake and throwing our relationship away and that he loved he. I was unsure of what I wanted and he said that if I wasn't prepared to make the relationship work then he would book a flight back to Oz and I would never see him again."

PMSL Grin What a Drama Queen!

bellsring · 16/10/2011 10:02

Aka- yes, given long enough, 'sorry' doesn't happen anymore. I don't think my ex ever said sorry at any point, even at the beginning; there may have been flowers, initially, for a short while, but I don't ever remember him saying I'M SORRY about anything to me-but that was how he treated me; he may well have said sorry to other people outside the home, whom he treated with a bit of respect.

bellsring · 16/10/2011 10:05

I have thought about the situation I was in alot recently,and it now is clear that I was nothing but a womb he used to produce the offspring he wanted;once that function had been accomplished,looking at it objectivey,he realistically threw me aside as a person.

bellsring · 16/10/2011 10:09

My last post has made me cry-I so want not to be affected by the experience any more,but there it is, I stayed in it to my detriment.

bellsring · 16/10/2011 10:12

followmrspoon- think carefully about who you have children with; at the point I had dc with ex, he had not displayed a fraction of his future behaviour.

akaemwahahahafrost · 16/10/2011 10:15

bellsring I can also promise you that one day you won't feel like this anymore, you won't even give it head space except to think "thank f*ck I don't have to live with that anymore!"

eg I was just mopping my kitchen and bathroom floors and it reminded me how when I used to do it when HE lived here it would be such a Hoo Ha, the moment I stepped away from the full bucket he would charge in and empty it immediately huffing and puffing all the while in case one of the dc stood in it/played in it/drank from it/washed in it and so on and on and on. So even mopping the floors became something to be dreaded and that tight feeling inside whenever I considered doing it.

Today I felt a moment of pure delight that I don't live with that crap anymore and that is the most head space he will get from me today.

bellsring · 16/10/2011 10:23

aka - thanks. I hope so. I'm just going through a phase when the reality of the atmosphere he brought to the home has lost its impact on me- there is another thread at the moment where OP is living with a controlling bully, and it does remind me of the black cloud that would descend on the house when he returned, the atmosphere, the silence he created and wanted, the way he treated me like a non-person,not worthy of a voice......

akaemwahahahafrost · 16/10/2011 10:33

I remember telling him once that I was as important as anyone else in the home, Him, The Kids. I remember the red, furious, vicious face as he kept almost chanting at me "no you are fucking NOT!", No you are NOT!". Mine was the same he simply did not see me as a person, that might sound dramatic but he didn't, I was a "wife" and that made me an object that was there to look after the dc and do whatever had to be done to make HIS life easier, whether that be washing his socks, giving him back the housekeeping money because he has spent all his wages on the piss, or saying nothing at all when he didn't come home for three days.

Guess what? I honestly don't care anymore, like I say that day will come for you to but I do remember a time when I felt sick with anger and grief that I had been abused like that.

Sorry for hijack op, maybe we should start our own thread bellsring. I know there is an EA one but I think that is for people currently in the situation rather than getting over it.

bellsring · 16/10/2011 10:43

aka - I hope,though, that OP reads these things, we write, and others' experiences give her more insight.The EA thread posts are by those in the relationships presently and for those who are out of them.

livingonthedge · 16/10/2011 10:46

followmrspoon - "She mentions that ?no relationships are perfect? and asked what exactly I said to him to ?make him behave that way?? She has pointed out that, actually I am quite mean, messy and probably annoying

I orignally posted in AIBU about abusive relationships and one of my points was the fact that often (usually?) one reason that women end up in abusive relationships is that their parents did not have an adeal realtionship an dso you have the double problem of wanting to leave an emotionally abusive partner but not having any support from your parents because their relationship is also often emotionally abusive. You also end up with no friends (I can really identify with the feeling that it is just so much easier not to see friends any more). Just remember that your mother's idea of an acceptable relationship will be influenced by her possibly abusive realtionship