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(long) Appalling news re MIL and sFIL, please advise

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Jux · 04/10/2011 00:15

MIL is completely gaga; she declined very fast - over a few months - a few years ago. They live in Surrey (we're in Devon), and as we've had a really awful time with many bereavements over a very short space of time, we have been really busy dealing with the emotional fall-out and the practicalities of winding up estates etc. The upshot is that we've left things pretty much to SIL (dh's sister).

SIL has been the carer for her disabled partner, who a month or so ago fell into a diabetic coma, was hospitalised and not expected to live. He has recovered enough to leave hospital but his medical needs are so great that he has had to go into a nursing home. SIL is devastated. She visits him every day.

Meanwhile, SIL is still trying to help out with MIL. Leading up to her partner's collapse, she had realised that MIL's house was not as well kept as it used to be and that MIL wasn't as spruce as she had been, but whenever she had asked sFIL about what was happening about MIL's medical treatment, what help he needed, what MIL was able to manage, etc he fobbed her off saying things like "It's all in hand" "I am doing everything that needs to be done" and would close the conversation (he was exactly the same with dh and me when we asked). When SIL asked why MIL was wearing old clothes with holes in he told her that MIL refused to wear anything else. The fact was, ALL her clothes were dirty and ragged.

SIL then investigated further - up until then, sFIL had not allowed discouraged her from going further than the 'public' rooms which weren't well tended but weren't awful. SIL found that the bedclothes were crusty and black. She threw them all away. All MIL's clothes were fillthy with holes in, old and ragged. She threw them away. She took MIL shopping for new clothes. She told sFIL he had to buy new bedding and get a washing machine which he could work himself.

SIL had just contacted social services to see what could be done about her mother's personal care and to help keep the house clean, and to provide meals as they clearly weren't eating properly (if MIL's beyond cooking - and she is - sFIL certainly isn't prepared to stoop to do so himself).

SIL had to leave organising things for MIL when her partner collapsed and went into hospital and asked sFIL's daughter to do it. sFIL's daughter didn't.

SIL had bought clothes for her mother, she had bought new bedding as sFIL couldn't be bothered and she was seriously out of pocket - she had been managing on her partner's DLA and her carers' allowance. She was badly in debt and asked sFIL if he could reimburse her. He said he would; he said he would ensure that when he drove MIL round to see her next, there would be money in MIL's account which SIL could access via MIL's cash card. There was no money in MIL's account. This carried on for weeks, until SIL rang dh and we gave her money.

Yesterday, SIL rang again. She has told us that MIL has stopped washing, her hair is filthy, her clothes are dirty again, and she smells. Social Services went to MIL's but sFIL assured them that everything was under control and wouldn't even let them in.

SIL has managed to get a cleaner for 3 hours a week, via the Alzheimer's charity, who have also sent them a gardener. This is the only help that sFIL will allow. The company who provide the cleaner told him that the house really needed to be blitzed and then for someone to come along for a few hours a week. He would not allow it.

There is never any money in MIL's bank account, but sFIL keeps telling SIL to reimburse herself for the things she buys for them - food, cleaning stuff and so on - but she never can. The result is that she is now desperate again, as her partner has had to go into a nursing home (senility, diabetes and extensive paralysis) so her carers' allowance has been stopped and of course the DLA goes to him.

DH has done a lot of phoning round today. He has spoken to the Alzheimer's charity who are on the case, and told dh about sFIL's refusal to allow a proper clean. They also told him that the first cleaner they sent was a man, and sFIL spent much of the time telling him he shouldn't be doing women's work. The poor chap refused to go back because he couldn't bear the way sFIL treated and spoke to MIL. The woman at the charity said she would be prepared to stand up in court and give a full account should it come to that.

DH has also spoken to Social Services, who have said they will try again, but next week, so that dh has time to tell sFIL to just bloody well let them in.

He has spoken to MIL's doctor who suggested that he come in with MIL, and then he can talk to dh. He has not seen MIL for over 6 months. He said that he had wanted to refer her to something (to do with her memory loss) and a few other things to help MIL, but sFIL had refused them on her behalf, and that MIL herself had refused some form of help he's offered - dh pointed out that was probably because sFIL had told her to. The doc had no idea things had become as bad as they are.

DH is going down tomorrow and will stay a couple of nights. He will talk to sFIL forcefully (Wink) about what needs to be done and that he must cooperate.

DH feels that sFIL has neglected MIL, failed in his duty of care to her. sFIL's kids aren't really interested in getting more involved than they are (OK to have the old folks over for lunch, but that's about it).

The cleaner and gardener are apparently being paid for out of MIL's pension. Of course, she's no idea what's happening from one minute to the next, so it makes no difference to her, but she's aware sometimes that SIL is out of pocket and when they find the cash card won't produce any money, gives her 20p or 17p with a great flourish. Poor old stick, she really hasn't a clue, but she adores her two children, and everyone knows that she would never in a million years see SIL in the dire financial straits she is in right now. She was also always horribly house proud, and again, would be devastated if she knew what a state it was now in.

sFIL won't even put a wash on. This is why her clothes are always dirty. The cleaner has started doing some washing but she's only there once a week. MIL needs someone every day, or at least every other day, to help her have a bath for a start, wash her hair, brush her teeth and put on clean clothes. She can't produce a meal, and sFIL won't. She lives on bread and cheese and the odd biscuit. sFIL will go out to dinner.

I'm sorry it's so long, don't want to drip feed.

What else can we do? DH and DD were down there last half term, and things weren't that bad, apparently, but they were only there for an afternoon, stayed at SIL's.

There's no lack of money by the way. MIL only has her pension, but sFIL is loaded, seriously loaded. Bought a yacht earlier this year. Anyway, he's not refusing help because they can't afford it. They've been married for over 25 years; how could he treat her like that? It's so horrible.

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Northernlurker · 05/10/2011 20:24

Hope it's gone ok

SamsGoldilocks · 05/10/2011 21:14

fingers crossed your dh managed to get sFIL to truly understand the ramifications of his behaviuor and the impact on MIL. Hope some suitable short term care can be found.

If they/he doesn't want to move would live-in carers be a possibility? My grandfather had some terrific helpers from a comapny called rather tweely 'Country Cousins' although i'm not sure the level of care they provide but they certainly used to assist him with personal care and managing his house.

Jux · 05/10/2011 21:25

RESULT fabuloso! We are all so so so so so so happy!

It started off with much suspicion, bluster, and defensive from sFIL, his daughter and his son (who was also there). Son and daughter gradually realised that they were all on the same side. They had been trying to talk to their father about the situation and how to improve it, but had pussy-footed around and not talked to him in any direct way.

SS are going in tomorrow to assess MIL's personal care needs particularly, but also any other needs, including things like meals on wheels.

Panic buttons are being installed as a matter or urgency in several rooms, MIL will have one round her neck, sFIL will have one in his pocket.

The blitz clean of the house will be done.

sFIL now knows (apparently he didn't before) that when MIL goes to bed he must put her dirty clothes in the washing basket and find clean ones for her to wear in the morning.

sFIL will buy a new washing machine.

The house will be sold, and they will move into somewhere smaller, but they hope that with the care provided by SS and whatever other agencies SS decide to involve, they might be able to live in a smaller place, with a smaller garden, but still in the same area, or an area with which MIL is familiar so she doesn't get lost easily.

SIL has been given 2K to reimburse her for her previous outlays. The son and daughter pointed out that now that MIL is no longer capable, sFIL therefore has to step in as if he were dh's and SIL's parent, and if money is needed (and none of us squander it) then he should sort it out. This is not a carte blanche, of course, and SIL will in no way take advantage of it.

When they had finished, both son and daughter thanked dh profusely. Finally, sFIL also shook dh's hand and thanked him too! This is about the most incredible thing of all Grin

We are all happy now. MIL has deteriorated even more though Sad and didn't recognise dh at all. At one point, she didn't even recognise her own home and asked where she was. They won't be able to live independently for much longer, even in a smaller place with carers coming in, but I'm not going to rain on dh's parade atm. What he's achieved, faced with 3 hostile adults, is a great thing.

He and SIL are going to watch Borat to celebrate!

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Jux · 05/10/2011 21:27
Thanks

Flowers and chocolates (and Wine) for all of you, for caring enough to help. Your support has helped both dh and me enormously.

You have also just made an old, vulnerable, lady's life better.

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RandomMess · 05/10/2011 21:28

So pleased for you all!

Is it worth looking at really nice retirement appartments - can't think of the proper name, where they have people living on site. Then if MIL needs to go into a home then he will be somewhere more suitable.

fluffystabby · 05/10/2011 21:28

Lurker.

Delurking to say well done your DH.

Grin

Result. Now go get yourself a Wine

hevak · 05/10/2011 21:28

Fantastic news! So glad that your DH's step-siblings are on the same page.

GlaikitFizzogPumpkinLantern · 05/10/2011 21:32

I've been lurking so far, but just wanted to say YAY! Such a relief for you all that something will be done now.

We had a similar situation with my Grandad earlier this year and getting him to recognise he needed help was the biggest hurdle.

I wish you and your family all the best!

FetchezLaVache · 05/10/2011 21:32

large Wines for Mr and Mrs Jux! Fabulous news, so pleased they're now on-side. What a brilliant job he did, you must be so proud of him for fighting his mum's corner like that.

Northernlurker · 05/10/2011 21:35

Fantastic result! So pleased that sfil's children were able to come to an understanding with dh and sil and that sil is no longer out of pocket. Bloody good work all of you Grin

Tianc · 05/10/2011 21:35

Oh very well done! Sad for your MIL's condition, though. But thanks to you her remaining time may be comfortable and fairly happy. Fantastic work.

Jux · 05/10/2011 22:00

He did do well, didn't he?

Interestingly, MIL was out for the first part with one of sFIL's grandchildren, AT THE HAIRDRESSER'S!!!! Her hair is clean and shiny tonight!

I think sFIL wasn't really being deliberately cruel or neglectful. I think he was in denial and also, if you see someone every day, you are less likely to notice a gradual decline, than if you see them once a week or less. sFIL wasn't happy about the discussion at first, and his kids were very defensive, but dh had written down everything that anyone had said to him, including the daughter, and they realised quite quickly that they all wanted the same thing, for their parents to be safe and content. It wouldn't have gone so well if they hadn't backed him up though. sFIL needed his kids - particularly his son - to impress upon him the reality of his situation.

I feel much more kindly towards him now too. I still don't think I like him much, but he's been quite handsome about it all in the end. Can't be easy being old and losing your independence, becoming less and less capable each day. He's even admitted he won't be able to drive much longer.

DH will phone SS in the morning and sFIL has promised to let them in Grin. SIL will take MIL clothes shopping this week.

SIL will now be able to create a life for herself that doesn't revolve around caring for her partner and MIL. She can relax and spend some time just being herself; she probably doesn't remember who she actually is!

Oh I have looked at Country Cousins, thank you SamsGoldilocks. They look the very thing. Apparently the daughter is an architect (I hadn't known) and she had drawn up plans to convert part of their house into a separate living quarter for a live-in carer, should that be how they want to play it. It would certainly be a solution. I will show dh the site when he gets back.

Happy, happy, happy, relieved, happy Grin

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cartblanche · 05/10/2011 22:13

That's brilliant news Jux - what a result! So sorry to hear that your MIL's condition is worsening but at least you now know that she will hopefully get the very good care that she deserves. All the very best for the future!

fivegomadindorset · 05/10/2011 22:18

Been following this Jux, well done, hope all proceeds well for you all.

Your SIL sounds like she has been thorugh the mill recently so hope she manages to have some time for herself.

Thumbwitch · 05/10/2011 23:13

Very pleased to hear it Jux - hope it all goes to plan - hurrah for your DH!

laptopwieldingharpy · 06/10/2011 01:42

What a relief!
All the best.

SamsGoldilocks · 06/10/2011 13:53

Really pleased to hear your result Jux and that the info I had might be helpful. I did wonder whether sFIL was also very proud and didn't really want people to know he couldn't cope. I think we can all agree that sometimes when people identify our problems for us we try to brush them off, until they catch us at the right moment and we admit all is not well.

Feel very sorry for your DH not being recognised by his mum - that's very hard even if you know she's not well. Good luck with the SS assessment today.

PrincessFiorimonde · 06/10/2011 17:40

Oh, so pleased to see your updates, Jux. A relief for you all, especially with sFIL's children being onside.

Jux · 06/10/2011 20:33

It's probably too much to expect, but maybe his kids and MIL's kids could actually wind up, [whispers] friends?

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diddl · 07/10/2011 09:57

Glad to hear that things are sounding better.

Although I would be concerned that FIL is making sure that he is washed/dressed/fed but not doing/not capable of doing the same for his wife.

Certainly concerned that he can´t/won´t cook/do laundry.

Jux · 08/10/2011 18:26

Yeah, diddl, he's ex-public school, ex-army officer, and was 'of the class' where men didn't do that sort of stuff. Hence his attitude to "women's work" and the rest of his vile chauvinistic attitudes. DH is just relieved that his mum will be looked after now. We had every care agency under the sun phoning us y'day so we know they've all got their beady eyes on the situation. The solicitor dh talked to for hours before he went down, rang and said he'd waive his fees. Sweetie, we will love them forever (am I allowed to name them?) MTG are their initials, near Guildford. Shit hot.

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izzywhizzyletsgetbusy · 08/10/2011 18:45

I'm so pleased for you, and especially for MIL, Jux.

It's so encouraging to read a 'good news' story and, hopefully, your ILs will both get the care and help they need in their later years to improve their quality of life.

TheOriginalFAB · 08/10/2011 19:28

I have only just seen this, Jux, and what a wonderful outcome so that your MIL can have a comfortable life from now on.

Jux · 08/10/2011 22:40

Hi FAB, we're aware there'll be more to do, and probably quite soon, but at least for the moment MIL will be properly looked after.

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TheOriginalFAB · 09/10/2011 11:44

That is the important thing and hopefully she will be much happier too.

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