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Stalking - robust practical advice needed

72 replies

TheSmallClanger · 21/08/2011 11:13

I'm posting this here for two reasons: one, people seem to know a bit about how these people work and how to deal with them and two, I don't want to get into any kind of debate as to this man's intentions. He scared me this morning.

On and off at work, a man I do not know follows me about, waits until no-one is looking, sidles up to me and starts giving my unwanted, over the top compliments. It started about two years ago, then went quiet for a long time - I had almost forgotten about it. However, he reappeared this week, once with his usual trick. Then I was doing overtime early this morning and caught him following me, but managed to head him off by stopping and starting. The worst bit is that just as I was leaving, he was in the car park, and saw my car. He has never been this "intensive" before.

My usual response to him IS quite robust - I tell him to go away in the same voice I use on my dogs. It normally takes a couple of attempts to shake him off. I have informed my boss at work, who is supportive, but as he never witnesses the incidents, and doesn't know who the stalker is, there isn't much he can do. We have been to the security department together, and the story is the same. Two of the three people we have spoken to have agreed that it isn't on, but because I can't identify the stalker, they cannot deal with him. The third, frustratingly, had some idea of who I meant, but did not take the complaint seriously. This is a very big workplace with many employees working for different companies and gov agencies - most of us don't know each other.

What should I do? We have police presence at this workplace, and I think the time has come to involve them. I think he may be doing this to other women, and I'm worried he is now able to follow me home. TIA.

OP posts:
Catkinsthecatinthehat · 08/09/2011 11:59

The supervisor has absolutely no right to pressure to drop your complaint - particularly as he was alerted to the problem by the police as part of their investigation.

A few years ago at work a customer made a very graphic death threat, and I did involve the police. Turned out he was 'known' to them, had actually threatened a lot of people in the area (he had a particular problem with black women who worked for the Council apparently), and was demonstrating 'escalating behaviour'. They were able to issue an informal warning which they hoped would nip his behaviour in the bud, and five years later I've heard nothing more.

Most people were sympathetic, but one male colleague was outraged that I'd taken the matter further. As I worked in a public-facing role at the time, he thought I should just suck it up, that I was ruining this man's life, was being oversensitive etc He tried to make me feel unreasonable, but fortunately my other colleagues backed me up. It made me doubt myself at the time, but looking back I believe I did the right thing. However, I know how difficult it must feel for you at the moment. It's normal not to want people to get into trouble. Bear in mind though, that this has beenn affecting you for a couple of years, and you have always made it clear that this behaviour is unwanted.

RandomMess · 08/09/2011 20:46

I wonder if the stalker has given his supervisor some cock and bull made up story about he's only ever bumped into you twice and you're imaging things. Of course the supervisor may well have fallen for it hook, line and sinker!

neuroticmumof3 · 08/09/2011 21:30

I would be inclined to make a complaint to HR about this manager's behaviour. It's completely inappropriate for this man to be pressurising you. It's a form of indirect harassment by the perp. Don't be bullied by this idiot.

RandomMess · 08/09/2011 22:17

Neuroticmumof3 I agree with you, it is disgusting behaviour for that manager to pressurise you in this way.

All incidences of harrassment, bullying etc are taken very seriously in our organisation, quite rightly too.

LemonDifficult · 08/09/2011 22:35

TSC, I think you are right about not being accompanied everywhere. That would be a reminder of his behaviour and could also start to drag on your colleagues if they were busy and had to walk you somewhere.

It's difficult to know what to do. The other supervisor's behaviour is waaaaay out of line, though. I can't believe he has made this your issue! Surely the workplace just has a policy, this guy's contravened it, and they should have a discipline procedure to resolve it, without you feeling as though you were firing him.

Tyr · 08/09/2011 22:40

Someone, may have already mentioned this (haven't read all the posts) but harrassment legislation was designed to deal with the issue of stalking. Go straight to the police.

ScarlettIsWalking · 08/09/2011 22:52

How dreadful I hope it gets sorted out

StickyProblem · 09/09/2011 07:41

Can't believe you are offering advice from fictional films shocked2.

Your manager is supporting you Spuddy, which is fantastic, I would do as your manager advises. If the stalker's boss contacts you again, just tell them to contact your manager and let the two managers deal with it. Also agree with PPs who have said you are doing the right thing so that all women can be safe and people realise that it isn't OK to intimidate people like this.

This guy is not poor little diddums who wants to be friendly. What part of it did he not understand when every time you met him you were saying "Go Away" in your "get down boy" voice? If he wanted to keep his job he shouldn't have started acting aggressively towards female colleagues - and it is aggressive behaviour, make no mistake.

Very best of luck and I hope you get it sorted out.

TheMagnificentBathykolpian · 09/09/2011 08:45

You MUST go ahead with this complaint.

I cannot believe his manager is making excuses for him and expects you to accept his stalking of you so that his family don't suffer! I assume from that he has a partner? Nice of him to want to 'get to know you', with a partner at home, even if all he wanted to do was 'get to know you' (cos we all know what that means!)

And now it's supposed to be your responsibility to make sure his family don't suffer for his actions.

Yet again we have putting responsibility for MEN'S behaviour onto WOMEN. I am so sick of that shit.

Don't back down.

ElephantsAndMiasmas · 09/09/2011 09:30

It is not your fault if he loses his job, and yes yes yes to getting his manager to communicate with yours if he tries it again.

I'm not even joking when I say this is the way the patriarchy operates . This guy is scaring you on purpose, knows your movements, makes sure to catch you alone, won't respect your requests for him to leave you alone - anyone can see how these things escalate. Yet the old "he has a family" thing is brought out. Well so do YOU have a family, and it's them who will lose out if you become too scared/stressed to go into work, or too scared to go out alone, or if you are attacked by this man.

Best of luck, it sounds like you are dealing with it incredibly well. Hopefully he will disappear never to be seen again.

LemonDifficult · 09/09/2011 10:30

Could you go back to your supervisor and ask him to deal with the stalker in line with company policy? Could you say you've made the complaint, he hasn't denied it and now you feel as if you've been left in judgement when in fact that should be a matter for HR?

Wishing you the best of luck with this. Keep us posted.

shocked2 · 09/09/2011 12:19

I know the film is fictional stickyproblem, but it is based on a real psychiatric condition. I know very little about stalking and I know that the OP is now in the difficult position of having to defend herself against someone else's unwanted actions where some are very wrongly putting pressure on her not to do so. The film was to point out that who knows what is going on in the stalker's head - ie. how dangerous he could potentially be - but I am sure there must be all kinds of motivations for stalking, not least a desire simply to bully others. I know your problem is very serious OP and I did not wish to be flippant. I wish you all the best - I think it's very unfair that you are having to deal with this through no fault of your own.

CMOTdibbler · 09/09/2011 12:29

I cannot believe that this guys supervisor thought it was appropriate to approach you in this way. I'd def inform HR of this, and proceed.

HereIGo · 09/09/2011 12:36

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plumtart · 22/09/2011 20:59

what happened op?

solidgoldbrass · 23/09/2011 20:19

Get the fucker sacked. It serves him right. Remember that because he is committing repeated criminal offences he forfeits some of the rights that non-criminal people enjoy, ie being able to stay in his job.

solidgoldbrass · 23/09/2011 20:21

Also, I would make a formal complaint about the stalker's manager, who has no right to pressure you to drop charges and needs to be officially reminded very firmly that male staff are not entitled to harass female ones, and condoning harassment will get the manager into trouble.

TheSmallClanger · 15/11/2011 21:31

Update time again: it's over! Stalker was finally escorted off the premises earlier today, after a final incident where he tried to bother me in the staff cafeteria. Technically, all he did was say "hi" and ask me whether the menu item I was looking at was my favourite, but he did it in front of a colleague, and we managed to get security involved in time.

Not sure what is going on with the manager who was protecting him - I thought he had already been removed, but it seems that the manager just moved his shift patterns around. I heard that they were suspended, pending investigation.

I have opted not to go down the restraining order route, as the court appearance would give him more "access" to me, and I never see him away from work.

Thanks to everyone for their advice and support. You really did help.

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 15/11/2011 21:47

Thanks for the update, OP.

I'd been following your thread with interest, and it's so good to hear that you were able to get help from your workplace, and take decisive action to end the stalking.

Congratulations!

izzywhizzyspecanpie · 15/11/2011 21:58

I'm sure you're feeling immensely relieved but please don't let your guard down.

Pay particular attention to who's around when you enter and leave the premises and vary your journey home and, if possible, try to be accompanied at least part of the way by a colleague/friend/relative 2 pairs of eyes are better than 1 when it comes to surveillance.

If you drive home pick a route that enables you to turn off main roads well before you reach your destination. When you turn into a side road, keep going until the 2nd or 3rd turning and then turn either left or right and park up for a few minutes to check whether any cars are following you before retracing your journey and rejoining the main road - or taking a more circumlocutory route.

If you should spot him call the police immediately.

It's tedious and wearing, but you do need to put your personal safety above all other considerations for the next few months at least because a stalker who has been persistent for a period of some 2 years is unlikely to give up lightly.

LemonDifficult · 15/11/2011 22:03

Do the police know?

I hope you are alright. It must be a relief to know this has now been dealt with at work but presumably any incident could leave you feeling a bit uneasy. I hope you never see him again.

JeanieBueller · 16/11/2011 13:29

So glad to hear that he has been removed from your workplace, OP. I had a very similar situation when I worked in the US on a large campus-type site with lots of different organisations sharing the facilities - a man who drove the same kind of car as me (an unusual European import) used to park his car right next to or nose-to-nose with mine, or as close as possible if he couldn't get alongside. This then escalated to him following me home at speed one evening (we're talking over 100mph on a freeway as I was so panicked - but of course he had the same car and could keep up) and then parked up blocking my car outside my apartment the next evening, watching my xDP and me, who luckily as a JV football player was built like a brick shit house and chased him down the street.

Police were involved next day, turned out on examination of the CCTV he had been following me about the campus on foot, though I had never seen him in daylight. We moved house not long after that and I returned to the UK the following year - not as a result of his actions, but I never felt really 'safe' until I was no longer on the campus, as I never knew whether he had left or just changed car etc.

Truly hope that you are able to relax and feel supported by your colleagues now. Well done for seeing it through - they would not have removed him from the premises without having good reason to believe he has been harassing you.

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