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Suggestions needed for dealing with narc mother please

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Namechangerlicious · 13/07/2011 12:42

Sorry this will be long but don't want to dripfeed...

Background: I feel she abandoned me when i was a child when she gave me the choice of living with another relative without her, or living in squalor with her and a bunch of innapropriate people (her then-friends) a very long way away from home away from everything I'd ever known. She denies this and insists that I didn't want to live with her. I of course wanted to live with her, she was my mum, but she gave me 2 horrible options and I chose the one where I felt safest. The relative I was brought up by says that my mother kept phoning trying to get the relative to talk me into staying there (with the relative), but the relative did not. Mother also denies this.

Fast forward: Now in my 30s, happily married, couple of kids, still living in same area where I was brought up. Four years ago, she called to say she wanted to come and live here and to find her somewhere to rent. I did it. I was excited, after all these years of very infrequent visits i was getting my mum back! She wanted somewhere very close - excellent! I was happy.

She lives a few doors away and at first I spent lots of time with her, helping her lots, feeling for the first time in over 20 years I had a 'real mum' who loved me.

I didn't know about narc parents until i read about them on here and read Toxic Parents book. Then it all became horribly clear.

I have taken a step back from our relationship in recent months as i have realised what she is, and that I've been trying to mould her into the mum I always craved. I realise now that she won't change and it makes me so sad sometimes.

Some examples of her behaviour: when she came with me to try on my wedding dress, she said "yeah it looks alright" in a disinterested voice then went back to reading her magazine. On my wedding day she told me off for something that was beyond my control. She used to call my eldest DD fat and then denied it, even though I heard it. We fell out over this for a few days, her crying down the phone, calling me names etc. This incident has since been glossed over but i and my family haven't been able to forget it. She shouted at me and called me a bitch once (5 yrs ago?) for being a little late to meet her, in front of my DCs and friend.

She is now unemployed, preparing to go bankrupt, has spent years evading tax, has no transport, no friends in this area and tries to get me to do everything for her. The tax thing she has recently had to come clean about - all fine, she just had to give them tax returns for last few years (which I had to do for her!)

The thing is - I have been diagnosed recently with major depression and am being treated. It stems from her but I have not told her that. I am a SAHM and my days are busy. However, she sees fit to drop in unannounced whenever she feels like it, then stays for 2 or 3 hours moaning about how the world owes her a living, getting me to drop everything and do stuff for her. Disrupting my days basically. Several times a week. i dread her coming round. I can't just not answer the door because it's intercom-entry and I can't see the door where the intercom is from inside my home.

Last week was a blessed relief as she was away. I texted her a light-hearted message the day after but she didn't reply at all, but if I don't reply to her texts immediately she gets pissed off. She had asked me to water her pot plants while she was away, but it rained heavily here every single day she was away so I didn't bother to go round there, as I didn't think the plants would need it. Yesterday she came home and immediately texted me to say "I'm home, pot plants all half dead did you not water them x"

Last time she went away, I DID water her plants several times but when she got back she said most of them were dead and accused me of not watering them at all. So this time I just replied with "Didn't think there was any need, we had so much heavy rain every day. Hope you had a nice time away." and I KNOW she will have received that text and then spent the next hour swearing and ranting about me behind my back.

Everything she thinks/says/believes in is correct - anyone with differing opinions is wrong. She drinks a lot sometimes. She's very loud and overbearing/outspoken.

I have told her that we'd like to move out of the area at some point when we can afford to. She said "you're NOT moving out of the county, you can't leave me here on my own!"

I just want her to go away and stay away. I can't tell her because she intimidates me and I'm quite fearful of her reaction. My DCs and DH find her very difficult to deal with, as do certain other family members. Yet she seems to think she's the life and soul and that everyone loves her.

I am certain she will be round mine at some point this week or even today and I need some suggestions on how to deal with her please. i try very hard to keep a smile on my face and let her comments go over my head, to be helpful (because it's sometimes just easier than to explain why i don't want to help) and to keep things lighthearted. But it's so draining and after she leaves i feel angry and stressed out and sweary.

I'm so sorry this was so long and rambling Blush

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Tuppenyrice · 20/07/2011 14:44

Mad dog woman hahaha great post.
I dont have trouble setting boundaries or telling my kids off but I'm inconsistent. I'm all over them gushing then I withdraw. This is a hormonal thing for me too. I get v down then it goes away & I can cope again. I'm ok control of my rage button. JUST. I havent always been Sad
My DP is great but doesn't really get all of this. Hard to explain it all when I'm early on in understanding it all myself.
Can I just say what s bunch of highly articulate, interesting people you all are? Smile

Namechangerlicious · 20/07/2011 17:25

Tuppenyrice "Is it all in my head" yes I get that too sometimes - usually brought about by people who have lovely mums making an observation about me and who just can't understand. But the rest of the time I KNOW it's NOT all in my head at all.
WRT turning into our mothers - I think I was doing just that. I had the rage and lashing out :( and then suddenly I just realised things could NOT go on like that and my DH helped me to see that I needed help - then I had a bit of a breakdown and all of this stuff came to the surface. I realised what my mum was and what she'd turned me into. The road to recovery will be long but worth it.

Hello WhereonearthamI and mycatthinksshesatiger :)

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Namechangerlicious · 20/07/2011 17:37

Dozer said:

Sounds like your mother moved closer cos her life's a mess and she knows you will help her and want a relationship with her, even though she doesn't deserve it.

That's it, isn't it? I don't know how I didn't see that. Thank you for pointing that out, it's like you've just taken off my blindfold.

Wrt to setting boundaries - yes I've tried asking her not to come round unannounced, she still does, but not as much as she used to, mostly she will warn me by text. I'm working on the not telling her things - it's quite hard though because she will stop talking and then I've got to act like I've got nothing to say and the silence feels so uncomfortable to me. She doesn't seem bothered by it. I know I should say no to all her requests for help, but really, if I don't help, she's got no one else (yes I see what I'm doing there - guilt!) My kids don't see her anywhere near as much as they did when she first moved here, they have realised what she's like and don't actually like to spend too much time with her now. They tolerate her.

I don't really know what my kids think I should do - I know they'd like to move away from her though. My lovely DH can only provide a listening ear and a shoulder to cry on because he had seemingly a perfect upbringing! He has seen my mum in action though and knows how things are. He is happy for us to move away from her as soon as we can afford to.

You're right of course about getting more assertive! I'll look into that tonight. Thank you again :)

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Tuppenyrice · 20/07/2011 18:07

My mother is casually nasty. Example: "I'll kick her down the aisle." said in jest when discussing me getting married (which I'm not),
I can't get that comment out of my head.
She only wants me to get married so she can walk me down the aisle, get loads of sympathetic attention etc makes me ill and will probably become the main reason why I don't marry my partner haha.

I'm not very good at responding personally to all of you and I hope that's not too rude. I just don't feel that qualified to. But please know I think about your posts after I log out and am starting to look forward to checking back in. x

ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 20/07/2011 18:19

trout: This sounds like a really barmy comparison to make and probably only one that a barren saddo like me would make so I hope I don't offend, but I have two dogs who I guess are my substitute "babies" and I find that I have real issues with telling them off & at times have felt close to tears guilty about it.

...This is me exactly! (see username). No children here, only fond hopes for eventually getting there, and I am testing my parenting skills on my puppy. She's turning out great, but yes: I have a real difficulty imposing consistent limits, and in telling her off. On Saturday she broke off the leash to chase a rabbit and I had to use my Big Scary Voice to call her to order, and I felt so shit and self-hating the rest of the day as a result. And I had done nothing wrong! Definite issues about not wanting to be aggressive like my mother / useless like my father, and clueless about how to set limits and display anger appropriately. I think it's great that your dogs are helping you understand how you function in a parenting role. Good luck with the TTCing!

Namechangerlicious · 20/07/2011 18:25

Hi Tuppeny I'm sure no one thinks you're rude Grin I too look forward to having a read on here, it's so helpful to know it's not just me, bit like a virtual support group!

If that was my mum, and I planned on getting married one day, I'd be getting a male relative or close friend to walk me down the aisle! I can see how her comment would be made in jest, but still, it's not nice.

When I told my mum I was getting married she said she hoped we didn't expect her to pay for any of it because she's got no money. She showed no enthusiasm for being involved in the planning whatsoever, except to present me with a list as long as my arm of things we must remember to plan....which we had already got covered because we are in our 30s and 40s, we are not children!! She only came with me to try my dress on because she needed something for herself in town that day. I was so gutted she only said "yeah it looks alright" and gave me no more attention than that. That's not how it's supposed to be. She said it was disgusting to spend so much money on one day (we spent just under £4000 which is actually a cheap wedding!) and we paid for more than half of that ourselves without getting into any debt.

Grr. I'm ranting again!! Actually had quite a 'good' day today although not done anything special. Hope your day has been OK too Smile

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ItsMeAndMyPuppyNow · 20/07/2011 18:29

...my mother's only comments about my wedding were to complain that there weren't enough photos of her, and that we should have briefed the photographer to take more pictures of her.

Hmm
Namechangerlicious · 20/07/2011 18:34

Ha!!! I got that complaint too! But I had secretly warned my photographer before the wedding day that I didn't get on too well with my mum and only wanted a couple of the 'formal' ones with her in them (for her, not for me!)

It's sad that they think as mother of the bride they should get all the attention on 'our' wedding day - bugger that Grin

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Namechangerlicious · 20/07/2011 18:35

Right, must get off here, DH will be home shortly and as I've been conditioned to, I now feel the need to get the place ship-shape before he walks in even though he wouldn't care if it was a pig-sty Hmm Grin

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Namechangerlicious · 21/07/2011 16:38

Thursday is here and I just KNOW mother will turn up either later on or tomorrow. I've been reading up on assertiveness online today and feel a bit more prepared to deal with her.

Here's what I've learnt:

  • Spend time on the things that are most important to YOU first

  • Don't let people walk all over you. Set clear boundaries and politely let people know when they have disrespected those boundaries.

Practise saying "No". Explain your reasons politely if you feel it is necessary but as all MN'ers know - NO is a complete sentence!* Grin

  • Don't worry about what you think others think about you.

  • Stand tall, it makes you look more confident.

  • Speak clearly and boldly, don't mumble.

  • Don't put up with poor treatment - if someone is rude/disrespectful, ask them if they meant to be rude/disrespectful.

  • Smile and have faith in yourself.

Hope this helps others as well as me!

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poutintrout · 21/07/2011 17:56

Hello ladies, I hope that everybody is okay.

Namechanger I feel for you having your mother living so close. I know that mine would kill for that (this is after having driven both my sister and I away and not giving two figs because my stepdad was around and she was only interested in making herself available 24/7 to him). We are having to move and are having difficulty finding somewhere and my mother keeps banging on about us putting our stuff into storage and staying at hers like she is relishing that prospect. If we don't find somewhere in time the reality is I will stay with my ILS because they have the space and I am just dreading having to tell her that!
Did your mum come over today in the end?

I was interested in the assertiveness pointers but I am just so awful at putting my foot down (except with DP!).

Tuppeny That's a horrible comment about kicking you down the aisle (I was also agog at the comments about bringing up your children). My mum says horrid things like that to my sister under the guise of "only joking". It's weird though, when we were growing up my sister was the golden child, could do no wrong and then my stepdad came along who decided that he didn't like her so my mum dropped her like a hot brick and started making out that I was the favourite.

Puppy I'm so glad that you understand the whole attachment to a dog thing - I know that sometimes I am mad dog woman and am only a step away from hoarding newspapers and putting them in a pram. I can sympathise with the bolting thing, that is a horrid feeling. When one of ours was a pup he used to happily wander off with just anyone we encountered on our walks! I think you are right about practising parenting skills. I'm learning that I'm easily manipulated by a wistful face or a nudge with the nose! Good luck with your TTC'ing, have you been trying long if that isn't a rude question (I have no shame left on the TTC front!)? Apologies if I am turning this into a Conception or In the Doghouse thread Smile

You have to laugh at the wanting to be the centre of attention at your weddings, though of course it's not funny. Not enough pictures, your wedding dress looks "alright"?! My own mother is so vain too. There are countless photos of her looking wistfully into the horizon, cheeks sucked in, shudder.

I've never got married either in part because I just know that she would make the whole thing a stressful ruddy nightmare and end up getting paralytic and embarrass me in front of DP's family.

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