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saddest feeling?

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chubsasaurus · 10/07/2011 10:07

Aside death...

Watching someone who once pursued you mercilessly, loved you with every inch of their being, would have moved the world, given up anything and followed you anywhere... just not care any more. At all.

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HerHissyness · 15/07/2011 22:19

AF might be off at the weekend (damned RL, gets in the way doesn't it?) but I am around, as are others.

Can I ask you to stop for a second and think about how you are feeling right now?

All that pain, all that suffering, the lack of hope, the bleakness. When you find the way to let it go, detach and just 'be' all that will go.

All of it!

The guy you are mourning is not worth it, he never was, and he sure as hell never will be. If you hang on to the fake idea of him, all you will ever feel is what you feel right now.

Rip off the plaster, deep breath and RIP! you can do it! Let your dear friends distract you. delete his numbers,emails etc and cut him off.

This is a drug that is doing you harm. Let your friends help you kick it. You can't fail if you just keep focussed on wanting a happy, fulfilled, equal and rewarding relationship. Something that your X will never ever in a million years be able to give you.

In fact the mere fact of his presence in your life, even only in your head will prevent you from being happy.

You can do this, I promise you. In a short while, you will see how much better life is when you aren't with someone who is not good enough, not in love enough and not man enough.

You do deserve better. everyone can see that.

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lemonmuffin · 15/07/2011 22:55

What a great post herhissyness.

Im not the op but your post has helped me :)

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chubsasaurus · 16/07/2011 16:59

Again thank you. Still not okay. I just called my poor father and cried for hours, I feel bad for worrying him. I want to crawl away and disappear I still feel like half a person and i miss going more than half an hour without crying. i am so utterly pathetic.

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HerHissyness · 16/07/2011 23:22

Love, it is early days, it will get better, in a while.

Please be gentle on yourself, be kind and love yourself. Try not to set unrealistic expectations for yourself.

You are not pathetic at all, this is normal. You will grow stronger, you will get though this and you will be glad that you did. Have faith.

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HerHissyness · 16/07/2011 23:23

Oh and thanks for your kind words lemon, so glad you too found them of use! Hugs to you both!

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Pigglesworth · 17/07/2011 07:36

You're not pathetic. I just read through this thread and looked through some of your previous threads and a few things stood out to me. I think I can relate because I am around the same age as you, in a relationship with the same age gap, which started in the same circumstances (lecturer-student relationship but nothing happened until around a month after I graduated). However we've been together for almost 5 years now, and I can see some stark differences between my partner and your own. I can also understand some of the dynamic that might exist between you, particularly in the lead-up to you first getting together.

In this thread and previous threads you've mentioned:

  • He goes hot/ cold, hot/ cold - punishes you for your emotional vulnerability/ need to explore life and make the most of your current life stage - pushes you away and then reels you back in, gradually moulding you into the kind of person he wants you to be.


  • There is "awkwardness" between him and your friends - what, he thinks he's too good for them, he judges them and is cold towards them?


  • Your family thinks you've had a "lucky escape" and just can't see it yet because you idealise him in a way that they don't believe is warranted.


  • He cheated on his wife with you.


  • He violated student-lecturer ethical boundaries. Kissing you while being your supervisor is a huge ethical violation - it is a big deal and speaks volumes about his poor character!


  • In a previous thread, a poster suggested they recognised you/ your partner (in real life?) and that if so, "he is attractive to women and he knows it" or something along those lines (i.e., again suggesting he is a womaniser/ cheat/ egotistical idiot).


  • He is being absolutely vicious towards you with no supporting evidence for his accusations. He's not just separating from you - he's trying to hurt you as much as he can in the process.


  • You seem to have eating/ body image issues - by your username and the things you have said (losing a lot of weight due to your emotional pain, combining moments of self-hatred with comments about being chubby - it seems your weight is very important to you). This usually reflects underlying low self-esteem (sorry - I don't mean to sound harsh but I've experienced these issues myself), meaning that you are probably a vulnerable person and stand out, to some extent, as such. Which he probably can pick up on.


You seem to idealise this man based on his superficial qualities - appearance, intellect, achievements - whereas those close to you don't like him/ are wary of him. You seem to need to have him back alongside you and you are prepared to violate your own principles in an effort to achieve this. You seem helplessly and hugely enthralled by him, whereas the fact that you have posted repeatedly here about his poor behaviour towards you and his hot/ cold approach suggests that he did not feel the same way. You couldn't behave the way towards him that he has towards you, could you? What do you think he must be thinking/ feeling about you in order to be capable of behaving in this nasty way towards you - not just on this occasion, but historically? (e.g., when you were going out a lot, when you were depressed with your old job.) What does his behaviour suggest about his attitude in general towards other people and how they can be treated?

Yes, early in the relationship it seemed he would "move mountains" for you and it was all very dramatic and intense. But a wise friend of mine once said that it's best to stay away from these dramatic types - in friendships and in love, the types of people who form intense relationships quickly will end/ damage the relationship just as dramatically as they started it. And I have witnessed that repeatedly. I think it would help to start trying to view his early relationship behaviour in that light - this was not a reflection of passionate love, given his behaviour since. This was a reflection of his way of relating to lovers, and perhaps he was trying to impress you and also put you on a pedestal. To be honest, to me he sounds like he has a narcissistic personality. Narcissists are known for their tendency to initially idealise their partners and then later, viciously tear them down. You also sound like you want to remain bound to this man and enjoy his "reflected glory". But his glory is based on superficial traits/ a facade, and underneath this he has shown himself to be very cruel. The fact that he "has always been the one to leave relationships", to me, is not a positive trait - I see it as a potential red flag and a likely reflection of his cruelty/ callousness. Perhaps he believes "I need to get them before they get me"; or perhaps he is unable to establish enduring, solid, loyal, and truly emotional relationships, "gets bored" of people and leaves.

It is easy to idealise lecturers as a student - they are all so intelligent and often funny/ interesting, and that makes them even more attractive. You probably thought yourself very lucky to have "scored" such an attractive, interesting, intelligent man. But I honestly think it sounds like you have not moved past this "idealisation" stage that you had as a student. I am not saying that you or your relationship were immature, but this man has repeatedly shown you who he truly is, the person beyond the facade. Yet you remain enthralled, believing that he is perfect in every way. He is not, and your loved ones can see this. He has poor morals, having cheated on his ex-wife; he attempted to start an affair with his student; and now, he is viciously pouring his "bile" and "hatred" on to you for no justifiable reason. And going out a lot is not a justifiable reason; I have also been negotiating this early-20s period of my life and my partner has supported me in everything I've done, including travelling alone overseas for months at a time because I don't want to lose these experiences just because I'm in a serious relationship! And he has never tried to punish me for enjoying this stage of my life.

Despite how much you look up to this man, reading between the lines I believe he is a vicious, emotionally shallow narcissist. And I think he has done you a favour by showing you who he truly is, before you became more involved. But I also am not confident that he is out of your life for good. I think you would still take him back in a heartbeat.

I'm sorry you're in so much pain. Please stay strong and talk to others about what you're going through.
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chubsasaurus · 17/07/2011 13:25

good work piggles, youve basically got it in one. seriously.

still feel awful. hes off shagging french prostitutes. sad.

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AnyFucker · 17/07/2011 19:32

hi chubs

brilliant insight there from piggles

if you find it hardish to listen to advice from us oldsters (sorry hissy Grin ), at least reflect on how accurate piggle's perception of your situation is

even the oldsters have been there, done that, got the fucking t-shirt (that's why we can see your difficulties so clearly, and read his character so horribly well)

you won't feel so bad for ever

what you will kick yourself for, further down the line, is why you wasted so much of your youth and emotional energy on an absolute fuckwit

take it back, take it all back, it is yours to keep now, it is very far from too late to reclaim everything that is yours

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Pigglesworth · 17/07/2011 22:34

I'm glad my post was helpful. I know you still love him, but you can do better, you can find a man who has some of these lovely "external qualities" but also a good heart to match. I agree with AnyFucker and would encourage you to focus on thinking about his negative qualities, the stuff I've listed above - really reflect on what his bad behaviour has shown about the kind of person he is. Do you want to be with someone like that? Is it important for you to be with someone who is a "good person"?

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chubsasaurus · 18/07/2011 11:06

Thank you for all your kind words and advice. I havent spoken to him for a bit now and have stopped begging for another chance. This is a first step but I know I am going to feel worse before better, if this is possible. I didn't drink yesterday and feel better for that but I had so many nightmares and have a horrible physical pain in my chest and am so utterly depressed. I just don't know how to move forward from this aside trying to get through each day. I also think I pissed off a few friends over the past week by constantly being a drunken wreck in a terrible attempt to dull the pain (hence sobriety being adopted now).

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AnyFucker · 18/07/2011 13:03

Cold turkey for you, my love

it is the best way

wouldn't want to interrupt his shagging, would we ?

you said it right, take each day, each hour as it comes

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chubsasaurus · 18/07/2011 13:14

He said he wants to see me when he's back a couple of days ago. I don't know if this will change but I presume it's a terrible idea.

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HerHissyness · 18/07/2011 13:16

no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no NO!

don't see him, there is no point.

Plus as you say, he's been shagging prostitutes, why on earth would you want him near you?

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AnyFucker · 18/07/2011 13:20

yes, it's a terrible idea

what possible good will it do you ?

it'll do him a whole heap of good though, to realise you are pining and so devastated about him

stop feeding his ego, chubs, it doesn't need to get any bigger

and every time you do it, you self-sabotage your own

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AnyFucker · 18/07/2011 13:21

in the words of the great Amy Winehouse (who also likes to get pissed on occasion, and more...) stop "fucking yourself in the head with stupid men"

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oldwomaninashoe · 18/07/2011 15:33

Go to the gym do plenty of exercise get all those happy hormones racing around your body.

Get out in the fresh air and go for a run, you will be amazed how much better you will feel.

Promise!

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chubsasaurus · 18/07/2011 15:42

I think maybe he's just saying that. I don't know what he's doing and don't want to.

I think the gym may be a very good idea for this evening. I wouldn't tend to take advice from the Winehouse but that sounds fairly wise.

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skorpion · 18/07/2011 19:15

Hi Chubs, hope you're OK. Some wonderful insight and advice on here.

Please, please remember the anger, find that selfish instinct to protect yourself from further harm. Delete any texts or e-mails he sends you, remove him from your phone and computer altogether, remove yourself from his sphere of influence. Do not even acknowledge any attempts at contact on his side. Remember how horrible he makes you feel and say 'I do NOT want this in my life'.

Thinking of you and hoping you stay strong. It is only for the better. You must see that.

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Pigglesworth · 19/07/2011 23:42

"He said he wants to see me when he's back a couple of days ago. I don't know if this will change but I presume it's a terrible idea."

I can only speculate regarding his motives but I am convinced that he is a narcissistic personality type (I don't say this lightly - I am a mental health professional and work with such people!) and wonder if he wants to see you because perhaps, as you have been supported by all the advice on here and have subtly changed how you might otherwise have behaved during all this, he has sensed that his power over you has weakened and he feels off balance/ confused about the fact that he hasn't heard more from you. And whether or not he has insight into this, perhaps by wanting to meet up with you he wants a chance to strengthen his power over you, either by raising your hopes (e.g., saying that the break has made him wonder whether or not he made the right decision - or even suggesting that you "try again"), or by using the opportunity to further try to make you feel bad about yourself/ have you begging for his forgiveness and for him to take you back. From his perspective maybe the only insight that he has is that he enjoys it/ feels more comfortable when he knows you're hurting a lot, or desperate for you to get back together.

I guess what you have to keep in mind is that he has treated you with such contempt, for no justifiable reason. He is capable of doing that again - for no reason. And he has also done this in the past. Like I said, deep down he is a cruel person. If you do get back together, he will do this again and again and the agony you've been going through will just be drawn out over more years/ decades/ whatever, with periods in between during which you are walking on eggshells and trying to be the perfect partner.

So yes I think meeting with him is a terrible idea. I am speculating that if you refused to meet up with him, he would amp up his efforts to reel you back in - e.g., asking again to see you, but this time adding it's because "he's confused" or "needs to talk about what happened" (to raise your hopes for a reunion).

You sound like you're feeling a little stronger. I hope you are OK. You can always post here for support. Thinking of you.

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AnyFucker · 19/07/2011 23:47

I have been thinking of you chubs, too

every word that piggle typed is spot-on

could you let us know if you are ok ?

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Dozer · 20/07/2011 05:02

Chubasaurus, please listen to the ladies and RL friends and family and stay away from this head-fuck, nasty man.

Total cold turkey, no contact is the best way.

Don't waste your twenties. Sounds like you have lots of good things in your life, but maybe struggle with some stuff, as piggles says, and he has exploited that. But he's not in charge of your life, and if you stay away you will be happy again sooner than you think.

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AnneWiddecomesArse · 20/07/2011 12:47

Listen to me Chubbs. I had a very similar relationship; but worse.
I'd known him Man and boy; from the age of 3. He was much older and in a position of power/status within the community.
At the age of 15, he used that power to take my virginity in what I now consider to be akin to rape/molestation, but I didn't recognise it at the time. I called it love.
And by God did I love Him. He told me he loved me exclusively, but that he had to have sex/take out other women, because I wasn't any good at sex; and although he loved me; I needed to be better in bed. He would train me in the meantime.

I was so sick in love.

Like you I am an intellegent woman. But he fucked with my head at a very vulnerable time.

I wasted 10 years with him. Constant humiliation with the Other Women; whilst everyone thought he was the best thing since sliced bread; because I was part of the conspiracy; no-one outed him.

Ocasionally I wonder if he's still alive/dead. But that's all.
You can't help who you fall in love with.
And I spent the best part of a year crying after I left him.
Indulge your grief, get drunk, wallow in self pity. But then pick yourself up and carry on.
10 years from now, with a bit of luck, you wouldn't piss on him if he was on fire.

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whatatip · 20/07/2011 13:34

Good God AnneWiddecombesArse.
The evil people that I hear about on here just have me staggered. Raise a glass to being out of that one.

Chubs. I keep thinking about you and your situation too.

From your name, and the fact you said he was the only person to treat you as a human (I think you said), and the fact you are tolerating his scandalously dreadful behaviour, how would you feel about finding a counsellor to help you through this and get to the bottom of why you may have such low esteem?

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chubsasaurus · 20/07/2011 13:54

Hello, sorry I haven't been replying.

I am a little stronger. I haven't cried yet today, I ate something yesterday and a few pieces of fruit this morning because I fainted in the gym before work.

Self esteem wise - I have the most wonderful father but my Mother died when i was young and I had a fairly awful experience in quite early teens. I went a little crazy, PTSD, suspected BPD (more than suspected) and a long history of eating issues. No wonder he doesn't want me. Because of my job I do a lot of public speaking and am happy to do this so confidence is not an issue. I have a lot of wonderful friends and know I'm very lucky about this. I just have never been able to entirely be myself with anyone before him and feel at a huge loss having lost this. He filled the gap my mother left (not in a nurturing way, ha) but because love dulled the daily pain.

I won't go and see him. He hasn't been in touch and has deleted me from facebook (saved me a job I guess which would have entailed seeing his holiday photos with XW's family, twat). I don't know if he will be. Whenever my phone beeps I pray it isn't him. The pain hasn't gone, I'm an anxious and deeply sad wreck, but I have come round to seeing just how much he has damaged me and slowly my wonderful housemates are helping me a lot. I went home on Monday night after crying all day and just being in this wonderful friendly house with happy people who actually want to see me and speak to me.. it was so wonderful. There was no strange atmosphere, I went for a run then sat in a park being calm with one of them, it was just nice. I feel like I'm in a cocoon (sp?) and that there is light, I just need to find out who I am again while my heart fixes itself. Last night I went to an event (again, associated with my job) and suddenly panicked because it was 9.30 and I hadn't cleared being out... when I realised I didn't have to I think I smiled for the first time in 3 months.

Thank you for giving me some strength. I don't have a lot yet but I am starting to be aware that one day I will be a real, whole person again.

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