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Narc Mother just hung up on ME. For once I am not calling her back. Come and join the letting hew stew thread to remind me I am not a heartless cow.....

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DrNortherner · 18/06/2011 19:21

Loads of threads on here about her, worse since Dad died 2 years ago.

Called her tonight, got the cold shoulder, she was just telling me how down she is, how lonley she is, and what terrible dreams she is having, then she moaned for 10 mins about her Mother and her friends, then just giving me one word answers, I pushed to find out what was wrong with her and she broke into floods of hysterical tears.

She said she was so hurt that I haven't called her since Wednesday evening (used to call every day, then every other day, trying to make it less as she is so hard work) She also said I don't visit as much as I used to when dad was alive.

I rationally explained I a busy, and petrol costs alot (she lives 80 miles away and does not drive) Still, she kept on crying and saying how much I am hurting her.

I very firmly, told her that I was pissed off, and it feels like a slap in the face to here this from her. I call her at least 4 times a week and visit her once a month. We only saw her on Sunday FGS.I also firmly reminded her she only calls her Mother once a week. Because I was being firm, she the cried even more asking me why I was being so mean to her, and that she didn't it at the moment. I simply said I was defending myself as you said I don't visit or call you enough. Then the classic narc answer 'I did not say that, you are putting words in my mouth' Hmm

Then she said she is upset as my dh is rude to her (he is blunt with her as he has witnessed 13 years of her emotionally blackmailing me and he refuses to let her get away with it, more so since Dad died)

Dh barely visits her and she is so draining, but tonight she said it must be because she lives on a council estate Hmm He has no problem with the fact of where she lives, its her behaviour he has an issue with.

Then, she said 'There's no point talking to you when you are like this' and hung up on me......

Normally, I would call her back. This time I AM NOT.

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DrNortherner · 21/06/2011 14:39

Lol at Deal or no deal. It's her fave programme!

When mine has done something to help such as walked teh dog, or collected ds frpm school, she announces it for days afterwards to anyone who will listen, looking for glory.

She volunteers 3 afternoons a week in a charity shop and according to her is the only pnme who does any graft, teh shop would close without her, all of the customers come in and say what a pleasure she is to be served by. Everyone loves her, apart from the shop manager who she says is a swine Hmm

The poor shop manager has had hystronics and tears from her too over the past few months......

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ContraryMartha · 21/06/2011 15:04

Dr N, you ARE a fantastic daughter. It would be a cold day in hell before I could pluck chin hairs for anyone. And cutting toe nails? No chance.

The thing is, no matter what you do it will never be enough.
Narcs enjoy the whinge.

I graduated from university recently and won the university prize for my course. My mother could not have cared less. Why? Because I should have " done it properly".
That's her phrase of choice - her way of referring to my teenage years when I did not go to university and "let her down."
When I went to pick up my graduation gown, I made the mistake of taking her with me.
She went into a massive sad sap/ sulk/ mood, saying "regrets I have a few".
Meaning she wished she had gone to uni. Making my graduation day all about her.
Of course.
There was nothing to stop her from getting an education, or having a career.
It's so sad really. A very smart woman. But incapable of change.

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ContraryMartha · 21/06/2011 15:12

Narc mother bingo...I win.

My mother promised to lend my new copy of Water for Elephants to some random person she knows at the swimming pool.

When she asked told me, I said no, as I had lent it to someone else, and another friend (my boss actually) wanted to borrow it after that.
Today, she let herself into my house with the key we gave her FOR EMERGENCIES, walked my dog ( to be helpful ) and took the book!

So. Pissed. Off

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Triphid · 21/06/2011 15:35

Horrors ContraryMartha. Shock Surely that abuse of trust is enough reason to retrieve your key from her. That's horrendous behaviour. I'm sorry you have to deal with it and the resulting cocktail of anger and frustration.

This is an amazing thread and the contributions you've all made are so helpful and enlightening. Most of all they remind me that the behaviour of my narc parent (my father) is not unique ? it follows many of the traits mentioned. And it's hugely reassuring to know that.

There are so many issues I'd love to pick up on, but it's so hard to know where to start. I suppose one that I've never really worked through is the role of the enabler ? the other parent ? who witnesses it all and stands by and just lets it happen. They unwittingly become accomplices. It is indeed just like them watching the bully in the playground doing their worst, and not stepping in. There are so many occasions when my mother really ought to have intervened and she never once did. Never once. That's hard. It's particularly hard because she herself doesn't exhibit any narc traits and is generally a lovely person. How could she not stop him? Why did/does she not pull him up when he was/is behaving monstrously? I find that very hard to fathom. The enabler surely must take some responsibility?

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DrNortherner · 21/06/2011 16:16

ContraryMartha - just taking the book is terrible! I guess she has promised said book to random person and does not want to look bad in their eyes by going back on her word, so pisses you off instead. My Mum is big on other people have a good opinion of her.

Triphid, yes, the enabler role is a tricky one. My Dad was a wonderful person too. Only since his death have I truly discovered how difficult she is. And I live 80 miles away. He had to put up with her on a daily basis. I often wonder if she also has some motor skills problems, she struggles with basic tasks and can't even put her seatbelt on herself. Me or ds usually do it for her. Or is she just happy to let stuff be done for her.

This thread is helping me realise her demands are not normal, and I am feeling less bad each day.

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HerHissyness · 21/06/2011 17:20

Contrary, someone needs to pop down to the DIY shop tonight and change the locks....

Outrageous! No more keys for emergencies.

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pointythings · 21/06/2011 21:14

I don't have a narcissistic mother, mine is lovely, but I think you are all AMAZING!!!

Don't call, OP. Think of yourself as running a marathon: "If I can make it to the end of the week without calling her, I can have a (fill in chocolate of choice here). If I can make it to Wednesday next week, I can have a (fill in new music download of choice here). If I can make it a whole fortnight I can have a (fill in trashy novel of choice here) and so on. A sort of narcissistic mother star chart, or something.

You get one from me to start with Bear. Well, it's an unhealthty shack anyway, so it's a start.

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drivingmisscrazy · 21/06/2011 21:15

pointythings - you will probably not realise how apt that analogy is for DrNo!!

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pointythings · 21/06/2011 21:56

I wish I didn't know... I work in mental health, so see narcissism from another angle, hence all the sympathy!

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DrNortherner · 21/06/2011 21:56
Grin
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Fluffycloudland77 · 21/06/2011 22:29

Plucking her chin hairs! not doing a seat belt up on her own! shes having a very extended childhood.

Wouldnt most adults feel very uncomfortable having another adult doing basic tasks I'm just astounded.

I think with your dads relationship with her it's quite likely going by her age that they wouldnt have lived together before marriage, if I'm correct from reading your post your 34 same as me and people didnt even that short time ago more for appearences than any religous belief.

He wouldnt have known just how she is untill it was too late and once your married its harder to get away. He had two choices, say something and get histronics or just put up with it. And he would have loved her.

Youve just got to be very strong, she could ring you any time. It's mexican standoff now. I'd enjoy this peacefull time to be with your own family.

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Fluffycloudland77 · 21/06/2011 22:34

I've just thought supernanny should do narc mom program. Lots of ladies with twinsets sitting on the stairs.

I'd watch it. Wouldnt go on it though.

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drivingmisscrazy · 21/06/2011 22:51

DrNo the chin hairs really take the Biscuit; I think you have a full house on the narc mum bingo!

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DrNortherner · 21/06/2011 22:53


Now wht do I win? Grin
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PercyPigPie · 22/06/2011 00:00

DrN. Your dad sounds lovely. There was probably something in it for your dad somewhere. What was his family like? I'd be surprised if it wasn't dysfunctional too and that it wasn't keeping him in the comfort zone he was used to. He probably didn't even realise what he was doing Sad.

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Anniegetyourgun · 22/06/2011 00:19

You win a peaceful week, in which you don't have to make that phone call.

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RubberDuck · 22/06/2011 08:17

DrNo - have lurked on the thread for a while but wanted to say keep strong, it's worth it :)

I had a massive argument with my narc mother back in March which opened my eyes to her traits and how she constantly manipulated me. With many thanks to threads on here, I decided that enough was enough and that while I wouldn't go no contact, I would do no emotional contact, let her do the running and keep any conversation/relationship with her very shallow.

She hasn't contacted me since the end of March.

First month was fairly horrid. I pretty much went through a grieving process for the mother I never really had with lots of anger, denial and tears. I had a couple of anxiety attacks (never been prone to them before, so were very scary). I jumped and felt sick every time the phone rang.

After that, though, I've been able to relax much more. I feel a lot of her hold on me has lifted and I find it bizarre now at how much I craved her approval for things - something she was never going to be mentally able to give. This last month, I've felt genuinely really really happy and content with my life. My inner critical voice (which I'm sure was mostly my mother's voice echoing through my head) has been a lot kinder and quieter lately.

She's away on holiday at the moment (I know this by the showering of postcards she's sent my dses - I can laugh at them now, each one says something that she's done. Not one asks how they are or has any focus other than on herself). She'll probably get in touch when she gets back to this country if only to do the good grandmother act. That will be a challenge. But I really like this feeling of calm and contentment - I'm going to cling to it as much as I can and the only way she can break that is if I allow her to and I think I'm much stronger for the break.

Stay strong :)

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DrNortherner · 22/06/2011 09:28

Mudandmayhem - My dad lost his Father when he was only 2, and his Mother at 18. He had a brother who was 6 years younger than him (we never knew who his Father was....) so his brither was only 12 when they lost their Mum. My Dad was clever enough to go to uni but took a job at 15 as an apprentice to support his mum and bro. After his Mother died he supported his brother and put him through university. Dad met my Mum when he was 24 and the married when he was 25. Mum was 19.

My Mother had a huge fallout with her Mum just before the wedding as she hera her Mum telling her Aunt that she would make a terrible wife as she couldn't do anything for herself......

When Mum and Dad first married, my Dads bro lived with them for the first year untill he married (he married my Mums sister oddly enough) but they had a massive argument which resulted in my Mum throwing out my Uncle. I have no idea why to this day, but according to my Mum, she was painted as the bad guy by her family by throwing him out......would love to know what went on.

My Dad and his bro are 2 different people. My Dad was wise, good, a man of his word. He stayed with my Mother to the end. His brother was a con man, an adulterer, has ran up massive debts with loan sharks and disapears for years on end. Although I hadn't spoken to him for years, after Dad's death I had a sudden urge to make conatct with him again.

2 days after my Dad died my Uncle said to me 'Once all of this is over, get yourself back to your own home, with your own family, because if you let her, your Mother will suck the life out of you, and your dad soent his whole life stopping that from happenning'

RubberDuck - I am feeling the seem sense of relief and peace that you decsribe. Even though it's only been a few days for me. I am glad you are feeling happier and stronger.

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DrNortherner · 22/06/2011 09:34

Meant to add my Uncle says my dad never recovered from the loss of his Mum, who, I am led to believe was a formiadble woman who would have done anything to protect her boys. She was a single Mother who worked 2 jobs just to make ends meet. My Uncle says the 2 of them were lost, my Dad had sudden responsibility of a younger brother to care for. Then he met my Mum, who had this big family. There was my Gran, my Grandad and 6 daughters. Yes they were dysfunctional, but they spent time together, and my Grandparents welcomed my dad with open arms apparantly. When my Dad nearly lost his thumb in a workshop accident he stayed at my Mums parents house till eh recovered and my Gran took care of him. I suspect he was drawn into the big family dynamic.

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HairyWoman · 22/06/2011 11:14

Talking about enablers...

My dad was a narc, a very nasty one, and my mum was an enabler. My dad died 7 years ago and I was very happy to have my mum to myself finally without my dad having jealous tantrums because he wasn?t getting all of her attention. We (my 3 brothers and I) all idolized our mother, we thought she was a lovely mother and we tried our best to try and protect her from our dad.

Two of my brothers died in early adulthood, one of suicide and the other from alcoholism, both of which I attribute to my dysfunctional family. Understandably my mum took this very badly and has often mused aloud about what she did wrong that 2 of her children died in such a way. I used to tell her that it wasn?t her it was dad but she still carried on blaming and questioning herself, she just couldn?t/wouldn't see how horrible it was for us to have him as a father.

Over the last few years I have been pondering about my family dynamics more and more and I have realised that we felt the need to protect our mother from an early age but she didn?t protect us from him. This has been a very hard awakening for me and my mental image of my loving kind mother has taken a bashing. Our relationship, which was loving while my dad was around, has slowly evolved into a tense and uncomfortable one. I think this has as much to do with the dynamics of her now being alone as to the dynamics of me realising that I am still in the role of ?protecting ?her to the extent that I always feel the need to keep her happy ? my way of keeping her happy is to shower her with attention and not show any negative feelings, if I do she becomes very paranoid and turns it around to be about her. I have realised most conversations are turned around to be about her. Sometimes she even competes with my daughter to get my attention (that is really weird, it?s like having 2 kids!).

I know some of this behaviour is due to age and loneliness but I am slowly beginning to remember uncomfortable memories from the past too. E.g. when we had to rush to vist PIL who was dying, my mum was very angry that I had not told her I was ?going away?, she never even mentioned PIL dying or asked how DH was!

Anyway sorry if I have rambled a bit, not sure what point i am trying to make...

Dr N well done on breaking the pattern by not calling your mother.

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fresh · 22/06/2011 14:18

DrN, have been lurking. Just want to add my congrats to you for beginning to break the cycle. I know how hard it is to finally get to that point, as a narc mum will make you feel secretly that she is right, and that you HAVE to do what she wants - this is part of the control. Their entire survival is based on you caving in, which is why it's so damaging to be in relationship with them - it's literally you or them.

It can be survived. NC plus therapy is working for me. Removing her as the source of authority is like excising a deeply embedded tumour, and unlearning all those lessons takes time, but you can do it.

Could go on and on, but that's what I pay my therapist for! Just wanted to send best thoughts to you. Put yourself first.

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cremeeggsbenedict · 22/06/2011 14:36

HairyWoman - it's a horrid realisation isn't it when someone who you saw as the victim (in my case my daddy) shifts in your opinion to being weak, and then to being complicit in the abuse or even another N. I only made the link about my daddy when I posted further up the thread about standing beside the bully in the playground and it has upset me rather a lot. I think it's one to bring up with my therapist...

DrN - hope you're still feeling strong. There's some great advice on here. And hold on to what your Uncle said. He sees your NarcMother for who she truly is. So you have allies in the family.

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MrsSchadenfreude · 22/06/2011 17:20

Have you called her yet?! Bear

I have just had a eureka moment from this thread. My Dad's Mum was exactly like my Mum is. And she and my Mum couldn't stand each other!

As I've said before, DrN, I think my mother is your mother's twin. Re Christmas, my mother now goes to a hotel every other year, as DH's parents come to us. It is lovely when they come, as they help - they don't just sit on their arses watching telly, occasionally shuffling out to the kitchen with an empty glass, saying "You could die of thirst around here, before anyone would bring you a drink."

I really did want to stab my mother a few months ago - two close friends of mine died within a couple of days of each other - one of cancer, six weeks after diagnosis, and one of meningitis. I told my mother - she knew both of them - and she just said, oh yes, Maureen and Enid who go on the Asda bus both died recently - did I tell you? I said rather sourly, that I would expect her friends to die, as she was in her late 70s, but as I am in my 40s, I would hope it was a rarer occurrence for mine to die.

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DrNortherner · 22/06/2011 17:20

hairywoman sounds to me like your Mum may be a Narc too?.......thanks to you also for sharing your story. Also fresh thank you.

It seems there are loads of us cremeeggs hey? What's that famous saying? "They fuck you up your Mum and Dad, they may not mean to but they do"

How true!

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DrNortherner · 22/06/2011 17:25

Cross post there Mrs S. No I have not called her

They could indeed be bloody twins. That is shocking that she compared the loss of 2 young woman to the loss of 2 women she barely new on the ASDA bus.

I will post updates as and when I speak to her......

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