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how do i DO detachment with dh and his drinking?

96 replies

highwaster · 14/06/2011 18:53

been on the binge for 11 days now.
anyone any advice about doing detachment.
have looked quite a bit up on websites.

am trying not to be an enabler

am not giving him money, am not letting him have my bus pass, etc.,

am not throwing away or lookign for drink

OP posts:
highwaster · 15/06/2011 15:43

thanks for your words

OP posts:
AnyFucker · 15/06/2011 15:44

This emotional blackmail he is employing is damaging you all

is he doing this in front of the kids ?

perfumedlife · 15/06/2011 16:02

highwaster, how are you feeling about him at this moment? Are you angry at him? Sorry for him? Disgusted? What?

Rosmarin · 15/06/2011 16:09

Hmm, this is hard. For your sake right now it might not be best to stay with him. On the other hand, he has a problem and does need help. It's no longer really a choice of his, is it, to drink or not? He's addicted.

It's a very tough one, sorry OP.

AnyFucker · 15/06/2011 16:14

I too am so very sorry x

I really, really don't think you can help him.

MIFLAW · 15/06/2011 17:37

Rosmarin

"It's no longer really a choice of his, is it, to drink or not? He's addicted."

This is very true - he really can't help himself.

However, the odds of the OP being the one who CAN help him are really not good.

If he is going to get hurt that is no reason for her and their children to go down with him.

He probably needs professional help which will almost certainly require group therapy - probably AA or AA-based - and maybe prescription medication. She can't provide any of this.

And maybe, just maybe, her showing him she means business may be what finally makes him seek this help.

But it's a tough one, as you say.

bejeezus · 15/06/2011 21:18

Highwaster--ignore his crying. You cannot ease his pain.
Go in the other room. Better still, go out.

It is so so so hard. But it gets easier

highwaster · 15/06/2011 22:38

earlier he said he wanted help. he wanted to go away somewhere for help.
he wanted AA

i put him on to DrinkWise, who said he mustnt go cold turkey! as the DTs are bad news >

OP posts:
highwaster · 15/06/2011 22:38

allegedly he hasnt any alcohol... so it is cold turkey

OP posts:
bejeezus · 15/06/2011 23:21

my stbxh was admitted to hospital because of his alcoholism- he was offered a place in a centre where he was on IV fluids and sedated to get through DTs---so it is available

Depending on where you live obviously- but there are AA meetings running throughout the day

IF he REALLY wants help- HE can get it

YOU CANNOT help him

What do you want to do?

highwaster · 15/06/2011 23:34

i just wondered if anyone knew if this was true about cold turkey. i am sure after how ever many days it is now, it would be ok.

going to bed now.
thanks for input,
really appreciated.

OP posts:
highwaster · 15/06/2011 23:35

drink wise said he should ring this centre tomorrow, or i can ring for him.

OP posts:
SpringchickenGoldBrass · 16/06/2011 00:02

Sorry but unless the house is in your name only, changing the locks won't help you if he doesn't want to go. He would be legally entitled to break into the house if his name is on the deeds/tenancy agreement. If he is an aggressive, violent drunk then yes you can call the police to remove him at least for one night, and it won't be too much trouble to get an occupation order to keep him out. However, if he is a whiny weeping drunk it is going to take a bit longer to get rid of him if he won't go when you tell him to. I think if he is a non-violent drunk then you need to involve Social Services to back you up in getting an occupation order to keep him out of the house (because even a non-violent drunk can be percieved as a danger to DC ie he might leave the gas on, fall over and land on them etc). There was another thread a while ago about forcing an alcoholic man out of the family home and unfortunately it is a slower process if he is not aggressive, but it can still be done.

livinginazoo · 16/06/2011 08:59

I agree with everything that bejeezus has said. Another organisation that offers support is www.coda-uk.org/ it is like al anon but the focus is codependence issues.

Anyfucker - you are lucky to know you would never put up with this sort of situation, and yes you are quite right with what you would do, but it is not so easy for everyone else. You can be the most educated, independent person and still get dragged down by alcoholism, as you try and control the drinking as it escalates and believe the denial, and watch them stop and start (see I can control it!!). There is nothing in the world more convincing than an alcoholic explaining why they don't have a problem, because they truly believe it and you truly want to too. And codependence is something like alcoholism that takes a long time and a lot of determination to change.

But the focus in this should not be helping him, that is enabling too - isn't it. The idea is to stop, leave him to get on with it - unless he wants to get better there is nothing you can do except leave him. Because all he will do is go to a couple of AA meetings, decide he doesn't have a problem like all those men who have a bottle of vodka at 6 am, and start lying to you and himself. As long as he has you by his side you are allowing him to continue, and you will get dragged down and his health issues will transfer to you. As Attila says it is a family disease, and that is why.

Attila and Miflaw are talking sense, even if it sounds harsh. And no one can love an alcoholic better. He needs to make those phone calls himself, because no one is there to support him any more, and even then he might not. And if you keep trying to save him, you may end up ruining your own mental health and life and that of your children.

TheSkiingGardener · 16/06/2011 09:41

If he is physically addicted then going cold turkey CAN be very dangerous. It depends on the levels involved. He needs to be assessed by a professional who can make a judgement as to whether he needs medical help to withdraw or not. I really hope he makes the call. Good luck.

MIFLAW · 16/06/2011 11:05

I go to AA and it is the reason I am still alive.

I would guess that, on less than half a bottle of spirits/two bottles of wine/6-8 pints of Stella a day, cold turkey won't do a grown man much harm - it won't be fun and he'll feel like shit, but fitting, real DTs (i.e. not just the shakes but hallucinations too) and so forth normally afflict much heavier drinkers, I think. Certainly, I drank at the levels I suggest (probably a bit more actually) and went cold turkey several times with no serious health risks, just nausea, insomnia and the shakes.

And, as someone else says, if he is at all worried, then all he needs to do is ask a doctor - don't let him use a throwaway comment on a website as an excuse for doingt nothing!

Agree that changing the locks probably isn't legal, btw - but it IS practical and immediate and most drunks frankly lack the coordination to break into a locked house.

perfumedlife · 16/06/2011 11:42

This is the problem with detachment, you sound anything but detached. You are the one skimming websites for help late at night, you are the one worrying about his health and the risks of cold turkey. He is drunk, so immune to all this stress. It doesn't work. You still sound far from being ready to give him the ultimatum that I think he needs and I just can't see this changing for you unless you do. Sad

If I were in your shoes, he would be either at a meeting/hospital/gp/counseller or he would be out the door today, unfed, unwashed and all packed. Because if he is still in his bed, or drinking, he is not about to face this.

AnyF · 16/06/2011 12:55

livinginazoo not sure why you namechecked me, because we are saying the exact same things Confused

just because I give to-the-point advice, does not mean I am inferring any of it is easy

I agree with PL, OP sounds very attached still, not at all detached

calling the helplines for him is not the way to detach yourself

RogerMelly · 16/06/2011 13:11

I feel really uncomfrtable posting this but I drank similar levels to milfaw and went cold turkey with no side effects apart from anxiety and for that I used low level calming tablets and went to bed early! But I wanted to give up drinking and I suppose it depends how much he wants it because when you are in the whole cycle of drinking you really can think of nothing else. Either AA or his GP would be able to help him. I know in the area I lived in at the time the nhs provided a really good alcohol misuse service. They either do phone counselling, group therapy, private 1-2-1 therapy or detoxification, depending on the level of addiction. It really would help if he could get himself to the gp, they wont judge him.

SnowieBear · 16/06/2011 13:36

Re: going cold turkey - DON'T LET HIM DO IT.

If he is willing to get help, make sure he undertakes a medically supervised detox. It's not about the volume or frequency of what he is drinking, it's about how what he has been drinking has affected his liver and caused level of toxicity that would cause him to fit once alcohol is withdrawn. This can happen up to several days after the last drink has been taken and it's very serious - my DH has had too many of these, even fitting on medically controlled detox programmes.

OP, you said in one of your posts you are surprised there are not that many people here with experiences. Believe me, there are. Lots. Not easy. All you are saying rings true with me and many others. All the advice you are getting we have also received. The people who have managed to progress the most are, being frank, those who have left their DHs and managed to start putting their lives back together.

The rest of us just carry on. Life is more manageable thanks to Al Anon and yes, you are right, detaching is hard. But compare it with the other option, when you sink deeper and deeper into a circle of lies and despair. You HAVE TO give it a go, do it today, you can do it today. Tomorrow, you start again. Don't worry about tomorrow until tomorrow. Today, you deal with today.

Wishing you strength.

RogerMelly · 16/06/2011 13:54

Along the same lines though if he does (or indeed has) go/ne cold turkey and the Dts were to happen you just act as you would under any medical situation and contact your Dr or call an ambulance. I think the liklihood of it occuring when it hasn't happened previously is lower though.

livinginazoo · 16/06/2011 14:15

AF because you wouldn't tell a depressed person to snap out of it, in fact it is quite the opposite of what psychiatrists advise, you also wouldn't tell an anorexic to finish their 3 course dinner, so telling someone in a codependent relationship, living with an alcoholic that you yourself wouldn't put up with it and to just leave makes just as little emotional sense to them. You get heavily caught up in the denial and think that because you love this person you can help or change them or that it is just in your head and not real, and this becomes an obsession that takes over. Similar also to a DV/abuse situation I think. That is why alcoholism destroys families, the partner is just as affected and frankly traumatised by what is happening, and that is why you need to detach and need proper help to do that. If detaching was easy, there wouldn't be support groups like al anon and coda and a long 12 step programme, because like snowiebear said you 'sink deeper and deeper into a circle of lies and despair' until your own health suffers. And getting out of that is very hard and can take a long time to do properly.

So yes we are 'saying the same things', but sometimes your (often correct, often very good) advice can feel like a hard painful (not needed) smack to the head because it is so to-the-point and personal with all the "I would's & would nots".

And I am saying this as someone who is in a similar situation as highwaster, although possibly a little bit further down the line. A year ago Attila gave me similar advice on a post I had made, and even her direct (and non-personal, oft repeated) approach made me want to scream and shout out that she was wrong, she didn't understand, my situation was different. tbh it made me nearly hate her. So I ignored it, it was far too hard to take. Or too hard to do anything about. And I read lots of posts about alcoholism and thought not like my situation...

And now I have reached that 'own health suffering' stage. Or my breaking point perhaps. So I am going to finally get the help I need and have taken the necessary steps. But the way you personalise and preach even now makes me want to run straight back into denial. It is too difficult to hear how I could have messed up and someone else would have dealt with it easily. People who become codependent, as I understand it, are often susceptible because of background/upbringing issues, so yes in your situation you wouldn't put up with it. Good for you. And I am not going to apologise for being frank and you can ignore me or shout back if you prefer. But when someone reaches that stage of absolute desperation, support and a gentle approach might be more suitable, instead of multiple posts of I could do it better.

AnyF · 16/06/2011 14:32

I am neither ignoring you nor shouting back, livinginazoo

and neither of us should apologise for having an opinion

livinginazoo · 16/06/2011 14:36
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AttilaTheMeerkat · 16/06/2011 15:14

livinginazoo

Good luck to you, I hope you get the help and support you need.

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