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Blocked at every turn - please help.....

32 replies

StillSomeSoulLeft · 30/05/2011 18:55

Hi there. I?m in a desperate situation here and I wonder if any of mumsnetter?s could help?

To keep it vague: I am in my late twenties with a wonderful DS who is nearing double figures. Despite doing voluntary work and studying with the OU, I have been unable to find paid employment for some years now. I hate not being able to find a job ? I want to work so badly, but despite my best efforts, nobody have given me a chance and I have been forced to collect benefits. I feel kind of gross about this. My inability to find work is utterly soul destroying and feel worthless. I am also in nearly £10,000?s debt ? mainly credit cards. I have run this debt up by just trying to get by!

Here?s where the complications come in; my landlords are the parents of an old school friend of mine who eventually became my DP. DP?s name is on the deeds to the house I am living in now, so technically, he is my landlord too. DP was due to move in with me two years ago, after living with friends, but was then made redundant himself and despite getting a new job soon afterwards, his salary was cut by half. He stayed on at his friends, and also ran up over £10,000?s worth of debt on credit cards himself! Again, most of this was living expenses but he is bad with money also (obsessed with designer clothes, holidays, his motorbike, etc). He wanted to still move in with me once he found his new job, but I said no as his outgoings were not enough to cover the house alone and plus, I REFUSE to commit benefit fraud (I?d have been the unlucky fucker who got caught, if I?d have gone through with it!) ? plus, it?s just not right. He moaned about this but decided to put off the moving in until we were both sorted.

DP has his own key and I see him mostly at weekends, when my DS is with his dad. He also pops in during the week here and there, but his working hours prevent much more contact than this.

Except that we?ve both failed miserably at getting ourselves sorted. The friend that DP was living with has recently decided to move in with his girlfriend when their lease ends, which is tomorrow!!! DP will be going over to live with his parents within the week (my landlords, if you can still keep up!) who have recently, simultaneously decided that the housing benefit cheque they collect off me every month, is not even nearly enough anymore. To be fair, they are right ? they could get around another £400 a month for the place I?m in and they?re having money worries themselves. So they have decided to ?evict? me and got new tenant?s in to rent privately. Between them and DP, they have concocted a plan for me and DS to stay in their spare room for a year (with DP, so three of us in the same room) and get ourselves sorted (new jobs, pay off some debts) before moving on. ?Perfect!? you might think. ?What a kind offer!?

Except, there?s a little bit of a problem. DP is abusive. And so are his family. And I CANNOT go through with this.

Oh.

I sure do leave things late in the day, don?t I? The big move is meant to be happening in three weeks and despite several years of emotional, verbal and sometimes physical abuse from my DP (which I stupidly thought I could handle), my light-bulb moment came last Friday night, when I saw his dad drunkenly tear apart his mum (again) and saw my whole miserable future mapped out in that moment. And more importantly, my son?s - my poor, beautiful boy.

Basically, DP has been away at his friend?s stag do this weekend. He went Friday and is due back today. I think he plans to visit tonight or tomorrow. My DS was also at his dad?s but got back last night (and is now next door, playing with my neighbour?s son). I was really looking forward to the peace and quiet, but DP?s family invited me out to dinner on Friday night and I accepted. DP?s dad got progressively drunk throughout the night (he drinks himself stupid several times a week and almost always at home) and what was supposed to be nice evening, turned into an interrogation about my DP?s drug use (marijuana ? has given up now) and a big old drunken rant about DP?s situation (I do genuinely think this was born out of worry). On the way home, DP?s dad INSISTED on filling my car up with petrol, because I drove them and therefore could not have a drink myself (!?) I mean wow! I was really uncomfortable and kept refusing but he harangued me until I pulled into the petrol stain and then proceeded to fill my tank up fully!!! I didn?t wish to be ungrateful, but I felt really embarrassed and it so wasn?t necessary at all. I thanked him but told him he was mad.

Things got worse when we got back to theirs. We started talking about unemployment, and earmarked jobs, etc when DP?s dad started verbally abusing his mum. He was screaming and shouting at her, calling her stupid and telling her she was wrong (?!) and to shut up. I could clearly see that DP?s mum was right, but this man was unreasonable and there was no telling him. DP?s mum was trying to keep calm, but she eventually went upstairs to pretend to ring her sister (who lives in North America, so would have been about 6-7pm over there). I calmed DP?s dad down and made my excuses and left on a good note, but it was like a switch had tripped in my head ? there was NO WAY I can move over there and live with these people. DP?s dad is a vicious, nasty drunk who hates women and will bully them until they are too worn down to argue back and his mum just lets him get aways with it. I have always gotten on with DP?s parents, and they have always been good landlords to me ? I hoped they would also become good parents in law one day too. But I now know where all of DP?s issues have come from and it would be absolute MADNESS to expose my son to all of that ? even if it is only for a year (which is not definite anyway ? we might end up trapped there if things don?t go to plan). I can?t do it. I WON?T do it. But what can I do instead?!

Over the years, DP has abused me repeatedly. He can be a very kind, caring man and a lot of fun. My DS also LOVES him. But he frequently gets into very black moods (and I?m talking approximately 2-3 times a week here) where he goes into rants, which can last for hours at a time. I am usually the subject of these rants (some real or imagined problem I have caused) but even if I?m not, you can bet the rant will end up directed at me anyway. He bullies me as bad, if not worse than his father bullies his mother, but somehow in my head it?s not as bad because he doesn?t expose my son to it. DP?s dad will gob-off in front of anyone and it?s only now that my DS is at risk of seeing/hearing this bullshit that I?ve finally snapped.

I get endless lists of my failures thrown at me and get called every name under the son. I get called a fat fuck and he tells me that he only sleeps with out of pity, as no ?one else would want me (I?m 5ft8 and a size 14-16, so not beached whale territory. I DON?T have a nice body ? that much is true, but I do have a nice face). I also get called a lazy, workshy slob, useless, worthless and pathetic. He calls me a benefits scrounging cunt and reminds me often, who?s house I?m living in. He has OCD and when he comes round, he inspects the place and reels off a list of things I haven?t done properly and makes out that I?m not keeping his property nice. He tells me that my family don?t love me (possibly true) because I?m evil (not true at all) and that I deserved to get raped when I was younger because I was a slag (I was quite promiscuous before I met DP). If I try to stand up for myself, I?m either a bitch or crazy. If I break down in tears, I?m pathetic and weak. If I walk out the room and refuse to engage, then I?m cold and heartless. I NEVER win. EVER. He moves the goalposts around so often, that what he wants from me one day is entirely different the next. It?s exhausting.

He threatens to split up with me all the time if I don?t play ball and recently even said to me after I begged him in tears during one of his rants, to leave me alone in peace and not come back; ?Yay! Now I can get a slim girlfriend!? He?s a charmer, aint he?!

There has been violence too. He nearly strangled me to death one night, I feel sure of it. I have had numerous bruises (but only once to the face ? clever boy). Shamefully, I have on occasion, given him a slap. But when someone is ranting at you and follows you round the room shouting in your face when you try and get away, it?s hard not to react. I did once go for him unprovoked ? not my finest moment. He?s abused me verbally all day and then turned over and went to sleep. I just switched and grabbed his hair and hit him in his head. I feel really ashamed of myself for that?..

He can be amazing in some ways. He?s capable of feeling true remorse but that doesn?t stop me being afraid of his threats to kill me if I ever leave him, cheat on him or meet someone else. I feel pretty sure he?s cheated on me though. No proof. I don?t even think I care any more. He does seem to genuinely care about DS?s well-being though and the thought of us ending up homeless has put him in tears several times. He has really pushed this move to his parents through ? he has a one-track-mind ? he really does think it?ll be the answer to all of our problems.

Another example of his awareness is the fact that he booked and organised his own anger management counselling. He has been attending sessions for about 9 months and whilst there has only been a slight improvement in his rage, all violence has ceased. That can only be a good thing. He WANTS to get better and to change. He repeatedly tells me that he doesn?t want to end up like his dad, but years of growing up watching his dad?s shit have meant that he?s been conditioned. It breaks my heart to see what could be a good man, ruined by this inner anger and resentment he carries inside. His dad, clearly thinks that women are less than men. I see my DP struggle with that everyday, as deep down, he knows he bullies women because he?s seen his dad do it ? not because he also thinks women are less. He adores his mum. Thinks the world of her and won?t hear a bad word against her. He tells me that she?s an inspirational woman and that we should all aspire to be like her. That she?s been through hell and come out the other side. She is a lovely person and in some ways VERY inspirational, but due to her impossible circumstances (immigrant, facing racism and poverty) she has enabled her husband to abuse her and ruin their son. I CANNOT do the same.

It?s like DP can only properly respect women if he sees them being abused and trying to carry on regardless. He KNOWS the inner strength and compassion of women. But he resents it so much as well.

I?m so sorry for the length. I?ve never told anyone this before and I guess it all came spilling out. Wow. If anyone can be bothered to read this, it?ll be a miracle.

Where can we go? What can we do? Please help me someone ? I?m so lost?..

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BelleDameSansMerci · 30/05/2011 19:06

Why on earth are you still with this man? I don't understand why you would want to be with him at all.

To be pragmatic, you clearly need to find somewhere that you can afford to live with your DS that does not mean that you need to rely on your "D"P or his parents. Do you have enough money coming in to cover normal rents in your area?

Xales · 30/05/2011 19:07

Can you go home to your parents?

If not WA and a hostel.

Hassled · 30/05/2011 19:07

You need to call Women's Aid on 0808 2000 247 tonight, and they will talk you through organising alternative accommodation. And run for the hills.

This won't get better, or at least not quickly - your DP sounds like he's a man scuppered by his upbringing; take the upbringing away and possibly he would have been decent. But he did have the upbringing, he's not a decent man (because decent men just don't behave like that) and things won't get better quickly enough for your DS not to be affected. You're talking years of counselling and navel-gazing and self-analysis for a cure - a cure which may not happen. Do you have the time to wait? Do you want to see the pattern repeated?

What you have to your advantage is a sense of self-awareness and intelligence and an instinct for self-preservation which will stand you in good stead. I think you'll be fine - but keep posting here. There are (sadly) so many on MN with similar experience and you'll get lots of support.

BelleDameSansMerci · 30/05/2011 19:08

I don't know if Women's Aid would be able to help you. Their website is here. Even if they can't help you directly they will probably be able to give you some good advice.

5318008 · 30/05/2011 19:08

where are your family, parents, siblings, relatives?

NotSuchASmugMarriedNow · 30/05/2011 19:11

Right, I've finished reading your very sad story.

Ring womens aid and show them this thread and they will take you to a safe place from where you and your son can be rehoused.

You will not be homesless although you might have to spend some time living in a BandB.

Don't go to the parents house whatever you do. You will have two bullies to contend with there instead of one.

How old is your ds?

mumonthenet · 30/05/2011 19:12

still, I have only skimmed through your post and have to go out now. But I just wanted to say.

You have already made a start on getting your life under control. You have realised that you have to get away from your abuser and his family. Well done...you are so right.

So, now you need to make plans. Starting today.

Call Womensaid? Explain the situation. They could almost certainly get you accommodated for a while.....and more importantly keep you safe from your abuser and his family...who will no doubt up the stakes when they realise that you can see what they are.

Funny isn't it how the DP's father filling your petrol tank is actually an abusive action in itself....the unwanted favour that the abuser gives - not out of kindness but because it gives him more leverage over his victim.

am sure you will get lots of good advice on here.

DuelingFanjo · 30/05/2011 19:18

Definitely don't move in. Call women's aid.
Do you have any familly or friends you can go to?
Thank goodness you don't have any children with this man.

cookcleanerchaufferetc · 30/05/2011 19:51

As others have said, get out now. Call wa and do something about getting away from him. Nothing good can come from this. Surely as you are being evicted it would be easier to find somewhere else to live? Currently you are at serious risk of harm with your do and it sounds like you woud get more than double the abuse if you lived with your dp and his parents. What effect would it have on your DS? Keep your plans secret in case it kicks off. Good luck and be strong. It will be tough but you sound like you can do it.

SpeedyGonzalez · 30/05/2011 20:11

Good gracious, what a messed-up family. Sad

You already have some excellent advice above, so I'll try not to repeat it.

You know this is an unacceptable way for you and your son to live - well done! You're already halfway to getting away from these people. Do you have a trusted friend or relative who can help you along the way? If not, Women's Aid will certainly provide a supporter.

About the things he says to you...what a moron. He really isn't that clever at all. If you're so stupid/ ugly/ worthless, etc, then why is he with you? The man has verbal diarrhoea and a brain like a cesspit. The crap he comes out with is ALL about running away from his own self-loathing, and NOTHING to do with you.

You do not have a DP. You are temporarily associated with a thug.I do feel sorry for the guy, but it's his mess, not yours. Thank god you don't have kids together - they would no doubt end up like him. As will your son if you put your lot in with this family. It's brilliant that you have no ties to this man except a brief past together.

If you stay with him the abuse will get much worse. You know that; I just wanted to reiterate it. Two women are killed every week by thugs like this. You will not be one of them.

Sending you lots of good wishes for the journey ahead.

year2011 · 30/05/2011 20:39

i dont think you shd even think of moving in with any of them you and ur child will never be happy.if you have friends or family around talk to them for help.my ex was abusive so as his family and they made me feel low anytime i was around them .if i wanted to feed the kids or even to wash a babies bottle in their sink i need to tell them otherwise they will be offended.
wish you all the best

StillSomeSoulLeft · 30/05/2011 21:31

Wow. Thank you all so much for your responses. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it seeing as my OP is such a long read!

I sadly don't have any friends or family that could help me. The friends I do have are lovely, but are mostly all having dire housing and/or financial problems themselves (who said there was no recession, aye?!) There is literally no space ANYWHERE for myself and my son. My family genuinely have no room for us either, but they are a neglectful, disinterested lot and were abusive during my upbringing. We do have superficial contact but they would likely blame me for my situation (too right - this is all my own stupid fault) and have little help to offer. My dad might bung me a ton here or there but that'd be my lot I think. I should be grateful though - some people don't even have that.

I always thought I was being selfish, ungrateful and negative for not wanting to go through with this idea when it first came up. In fact DP told me I was those things when I expressed my doubts, so I shut up and went along with it. It seems like such a great idea on the face of it: the chance to work with no restrictions from the jobcentre and free school holiday childcare (DP's mum works in a school), the chance to pay off my debts and save for a better future. By not going through with it, I face almost certain bankruptcy, even LESS chance of finding paid employment, numerous childcare issues and most importantly, the loss of an (actually decent) relationship between my DS and my DP. My DS might never forgive me for this, even though, with all my heart I am trying to do my best for him here. It would kill me if his already difficult life was made worse by these people. On way or another, we've both got a hard slog ahead of us.....

I've already cancelled with all my bill companies, etc and I've got approx 3 weeks to a month to get out of here either way. Their route seems like the easiest road to take. But it's not really is it? Not long term. I have no money, only debts. I'm going to damage my poor DS whatever I do, aren't I?

The only things my DP won't really slag me off about, is for being thick (he sees me as intelligent) and for being a bad mother (he says I'm okay there). Most of the time, something inside of him stops him from going there when he's on one. Isn't it ironic, however, that by letting this situation get to where it has, I've been both stupid and an unfit mum. Jesus.

Himself is back from the stag and has decided he wants to stay over tonight (he has a day off work tomorrow). He's up having a soak in my bloody bubble bath as we speak. I will have to ring Women's Aid tomorrow, when he's gone. I wonder if I can do it and what they will say? God - I sound pathetic.

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TimeForMeIsFree · 30/05/2011 21:43

You don't sound pathetic at all. You sound very strong and together and you know what you need to do. Well done for realising that you cannot continue and you need to do something about it.

Women's Aid will help you. They are a marvellous organisation, you will get help every step of the way, even in sorting out your debts.

I do know one thing from reading your post, living with them will not be the easiest road to take, moving into a refuge and receiving help with your situation will be far easier than that.

Stay strong x

StillSomeSoulLeft · 30/05/2011 21:59

Aaaaaah - thank you TimeForMeIsFree and thank you to all of you for your responses.

I don't know anything about Women's Aid, refuges or council housing. Is there anyone on here with any experience of this sort of thing that could talk me through it? If I went into a women's refuge, would I not be taking the place of someone that needs it more, as my DP has not been violent for over half a year now due to his counselling? I'd feel like I was robbing some poor soul of their place. Also, does anyone know about whether my son's father could have my son taken away from me if I went into a refuge? They're not that awful are they? I want what's best for my son - maybe it would be selfish to keep him with me instead of living with his bio dad. But I still think my son needs me and to take him away from me would be too damaging.

I might lose EVERYTHING here: my house, my relationship, my friends (most are mutual), my credit rating (ha!) and worst of all, my beautiful boy. Oh God - how has it come to this? I need to try and stay positive but I don't feel very optimistic, I'm afraid.....

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TimeForMeIsFree · 30/05/2011 22:10

I moved to a refuge last year and it was the best move I ever made. This is y thread www.mumsnet.com/Talk/relationships/936487-For-anyone-desperate-to-leave-an-abusive-relationship-but-reluctant?msgid=24177092

You have nothing at all to worry about, absolutely nothing. And you won't be taking up a space that someone needs more, you need that room as much as the next person does. You are in an abusive relationship and are about to become deeper involved with an abusive family. You need help so please take the help that is offered to you. You are right, it is too damaging for your son to be there, your P and his family are not good role models for him.

I lost everything too but I gained so much more than I lost. I am happier now than I have ever been in my life Smile

Go for it! x

tribpot · 30/05/2011 22:18

Keep posting. There are a number of MNers who've been housed in refuges for a period of time. No you would not be taking the place of someone more deserving, YOU are deserving. Domestic abuse does not have to involve physical violence, although you've had your fair share of that over the years. I get the impression that his anger management counselling is a front, so he can claim to have changed. But he still has the rage.

You know how badly damaged he is by his father. If you stay, you are setting your ds up for the next generation. And if you moved in with the father - good god.

Please phone Women's Aid. And please, under no circumstances, consider moving in with his parents.

You realise the best thing you've said about him is that he's capable of feeling true remorse? And that's not even true. If he truly felt remorse he'd stop bloody well doing it, wouldn't he? The threats, the abuse, the pressure, the criticism, the bullying.

For your son's sake, save yourself from this appalling future.

tribpot · 30/05/2011 22:22

Cross-posted with TimeForMeIsFree :)

TimeForMeIsFree · 30/05/2011 22:30

Smile great minds tribpot

FabbyChic · 30/05/2011 22:34

You need to get out of this relationship and fast, there was an alternative to you having to move you could have advised the housing benefit people your rent had increased in line with what other properties were charging within the area, however that would not get you away from this man and his family.

With regards your debt you have to learn within your means and that means only spending what you have coming in.

It is doable on benefits.

Speak to Womans Aid and take any place they can offer you, contact your creditors and ask them to take minimal payments on your debts and halt the interest, they can and will do this if you word your request correctly.

bleedingstill · 30/05/2011 23:03

This is where mumsnet really comes into its own and helps transform lives.

GOOD LUCK xx

squashycreech · 30/05/2011 23:10

Debts are worrying it's true, but I think your priority is to get away from this guy who is treating you badly and making you feel worthless. Worry about debts some other time, yeah, they are shit, I know it only too well, but at the end of the day, it's only money. Lots of people are in the same boat.

It's great that you're at uni and doing voluntary work, it's just shit trying to find a job at the moment. You just need to get a foot in the door though and hopefully you'll be able to find something.

As others have said, Women's Aid and Shelter will help you. Please please call them tomorrow and tell us what they said.

As regards debts, have you called a debt charity? CCCS have been a huge help with me.

Hope you're good x

SpeedyGonzalez · 30/05/2011 23:38

StillSomeSoul - I just wanted to respond to this thing you said, then I have to go to bed.

"I always thought I was being selfish, ungrateful and negative for not wanting to go through with this idea when it first came up. In fact DP told me I was those things when I expressed my doubts, so I shut up and went along with it." Well, of course he said those things; he's a wanker, remember? Grin

Seriously, I am not saying this to bitch about him; I am trying to help you see him in a different light. It is wonderful that he's not been physically abusive to you for 18 months, but, hand on heart, can you honestly say that during that time he has been loving, supportive, and an all-round good man? Good men do NOT run their partners down, control them and make them feel worthless and ugly. Good men do NOT 'almost strangle' their partners, and my goodness if I had ever had the misfortune to hook up with such a man I would not be with him now. Nor should you. You have said a million things on this thread about this thug, which good men do NOT do. He is not a good man. I hope that in the future he will be able to learn how to be a good man, but that is not your concern. You need to make a clean break with this man, for life.

The problem is that you've been with him so long that you don't know what a good relationship should be like. At some point in the future you will need to sit down with a counsellor and work out why you stuck with such a horrible man and how you can avoid doing so in future. That's not to blame you, don't get me wrong - it's about survival and ensuring you have the tools to avoid such men for the rest of your life. Anyway, that is not your priority for now - your priority is to cut loose.

This man you are with will take years and years and years to rid himself of the poisons in his mind. You should NOT stay with him while he is working through this stuff, because if you do he will poison you (and your son) even more than he has already. Good on him for taking steps to sort himself out, but from what you've said I think he still has great potential to harm you and your son - emotionally, if not physically. And emotional abuse is unbearably awful.

Read the Women's Aid website, it will be a true revelation to you and will hopefully convince you that you DO deserve their help.

Pigglesworth · 31/05/2011 00:02

I have read all the posts but only have time for a quick message.

I think your low self-esteem plays a lot into your worries about leaving your partner. I can understand why you would have such low self-esteem based on the cold and rejecting family you grew up in. You seem to believe that you should be grateful for any scrap of positivity that you get, even if most of something is bad, rather than having high standards and "a line" that people cannot cross and once they do, they're out of your life (as people with high self-esteem would have). You've been taught from a young age to believe horrible things about yourself so when your partner says those things you believe him and absorb his poison. You then assume that your son will feel the same way about you and your decisions - e.g., "never forgive you" for splitting up the relationship.

But children do have a very strong love for their parents that it takes a lot to break. You may even have ambivalent feelings or feelings of love for your own family despite their poor treatment of you. Your son is of an age where he will soon start noticing these problems in your relationship, if he hasn't already. Even worse he may start copying your partner's behaviour and contempt towards women, as this is the main male role model he's exposed to.

I don't think your partner idolising his own mother is any evidence of a broader respect for women. Plenty of horrible men idolise their own mothers, it's almost a kind of "typical trait" for a certain breed of horrible men. Your partner sounds really nasty, I wouldn't bother trying to understand or accommodate his "issues", I would just leave. Be very careful about your own safety though.

Oh and by the way - I wanted to say that yes, you do sound very intelligent and articulate. It's such a shame you haven't managed to find a job yet; truly a reflection of the economic circumstances of your society and no reflection on you. I really hope you can find some work soon; I know how soul-destroying it is to face rejection after rejection when seeking employment. What type of work are you looking for?

SpeedyGonzalez · 31/05/2011 00:33

I'm back! Just seen something else I want to challenge: "We do have superficial contact but they would likely blame me for my situation (too right - this is all my own stupid fault)" - err, where did you get the idea that this is your "stupid fault"? From your abusive family/ abusive soon-to-be-ex-DP, perchance? Do these people really have good judgement worth taking seriously?

Come off it. If you had been born into a loving, caring family who taught you your true value and instilled in you a sense of confidence, it is highly unlikely that you would be in this situation now, isn't it? So no. It is not your fault, neither have you been stupid to end up with this man.

davidtennantsmistress · 31/05/2011 08:39

one thing that's not been said I don't think yet (but only skimmed) you say your DP & DS have a good relationship & DS won't forgive you but kids are VERY VERY cleaver at picking up every little thing, he will already know what your P is like. (i'd say DS know XH's measure from about 3 ish) this isn't your fault, this is kids seeing people a lot quicker than we do usually.

your P isn't a good role model for your DS - and likewise how can he be any decent sort of person/man/have a good relationship with him (ds) if he repeatedly abuses his mum.

don't make excuses for your P - you deserve happiness as well - you deserve to live a life where you're not in fear, and more importantly so does your DS. Please see woman's aid, also see your local council office as well - where I am in a diar emergency they have been known to give social loans to use as a deposit on a house & even be guarantors it's tricky to find a person who will accept it however usually here they have a list of people who will do. You are no less in need of a place in a refugee than any other abused persons.

starting over with nothing is hard - I won't lie, it is bloody hard, but as other posters have said, the rewards in the long term for the short term are immense. I keep saying it but 4 years down the line and things are so much different here, finally on our feet again, your life can and will be good again. Good luck. (also think your esteems taking a bit of a battering - possibly some therapy of sorts could help here?)

also I don't think your X can/would be able to take your son (however WA will advise on this one) as I'm not sure. Have you discussed this situation wit his dad at all?

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