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DP told ex he still loves her

39 replies

Squishylicious · 29/05/2011 19:37

I came home from work last week and DP was on the phone. Usually trust him 100% and didn't hear much of the conversation, but for some reason alarm bells rang. I checked his facebook the next day and he's been talking to his ex, told her he misses her, loves her, would be back with her tomorrow. I haven't done anything about it yet. Not sure what I should do as I honestly believed that we were happy together. Every time that I go to mention it I loose the bottle to do so. My head is in a bit of a mess about it and I just want to burst into tears all of the time. I have always known his fb password but never felt the need to check it before but had a gut feeling. I know they don't actually see each other (due to distance) and it was obvious that this was the first conversation (not that it makes it any better). I'm just very confused at the moment. Also feel like an idiot for not doing anything about it.

OP posts:
bluebobbin · 29/05/2011 19:38

Do you have children with him?

Squishylicious · 29/05/2011 19:41

DD - 3

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Squishylicious · 29/05/2011 19:41

3yo not 3 DD's

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totallylost · 29/05/2011 19:43

before this how was the relationship?

bluebobbin · 29/05/2011 19:46

I think that you should talk to him about it and discuss why your relationship might have cooled and try and get him on board to fix it.

It sounds like something that could turn into an affair so I really would tackle it sooner rather than later. My DH had an affair and there is really nothing to be gained by just letting this go - changes need to be made.

Squishylicious · 29/05/2011 19:56

I honestly thought we were happy. He is my best friend and we get on great. We had a rough patch about a year ago but got through it and up until this things have never been better! I think that's why I am so shocked and upset by it.

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totallylost · 29/05/2011 20:03

Then I would say if there had no other significant problems I would not mention that you snooped on him. Find a time when you both have a bit of time and just ask him if he is okay, say you're not sure if he has been a bit distant and does he have something worrying him that he wants to talk about.

Ready to be shot down here but having young children is hard on guys too. They need their egos stroking now and then, they like to feel centre of attention just the same as a lot of women do. As you say it was their first conversation - and do you even know what her response was? It may not be about not loving you and hankering after someone else but about association someone else with a time when he didn't have so many ties and responsibilities.

If he loves you the talk may just make him get back on the right path, be gentle with him, let him know he matters.

If not then you are better off without him.

ENormaSnob · 29/05/2011 20:03

This would be a deal breaker for me.

mintyaero · 29/05/2011 20:08

How did they split up? ie. how did ex become ex?

HerHissyness · 29/05/2011 20:19

Has he got kids with her?

Doha · 29/05/2011 20:23

Sorry OP but my self respect would not allow me to stay with someone who obviously wants to be with someone else Sad

Squishylicious · 29/05/2011 20:39

totallylost - Her response was that yes, she missed him but he had me and DD to think about. He gave her his number and she said she would call him which was probably the call he was on when I got home. I know it is hard on him, so a little extra effort on my half and a talk about how he is feeling would help.

Mintyaero - I don't know the full story in honesty, he has never really wanted to talk about ex's but I know she left him. From what I can gather she just didn't feel the same about him anymore.

HerHissyness - No they haven't

Doha - I have always thought I would feel that way in this kind of situation but I adore him! He makes me so happy, and I really thought he felt the same.

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totallylost · 29/05/2011 20:44

Until you are there you can never know how you feel. If he is truly in love with her and has never got over her it might be a different matter, but it could just be nostalgia and the urging lots of men have to run when things get too much for them.

Talk to him, just try not to mention the snooping cos that gives him something to get angry about and diverts the attention from what he has done.

AnyFucker · 29/05/2011 20:45

poor diddums had his nose pushed out ?

pathetic

yep, good decision to get your ego stroked by another woman, the fact it's an ex is even more of a slap in the face

OP, don't you dare take responsibilty for this, nor think for one moment that you have to up your game to compete with this woman

I wouldn't care about any accusations of snooping, what you have found would end many relationships, and he has to know this

how he acts once he knows you know, should then signpost where you go from there

any lying, blaming you, deflection, ridiculous excuses etc and you should invite him to fuck off back to her if she is so wonderful

mintyaero · 29/05/2011 20:53

Hmmm. I suppose the main thing is dealing with why he's doing this.

It's immediate effect is to make you feel unhappy, and insecure - that is very crap. If there are problems, he should be taking them to you, talking about them with you - not indulging in some silly fantasy of reliving lost time with his ex. And she's quite right - he does have you and your child to think of. What a shame she, too, appears to be indulging in the same silly fantasy.

What a very silly couple of people.

Returning to ex = deeply foolish behaviour. There is always, always a reason they became and ex.

Not sure that his wrapping the story of his past relationship(s) in a cloud of serecy is too great, either. Combined with this strange manner of problem-solving, it's a bit secrecy-control stuff.

I think there are a couple of ways to deal with it.

You can address it directly, and call his bluff. Does he really want to risk all he has on a fantasy? That could have the advantage of putting it all out there, in black and white. you;d have to be quite brave, and be prepared for the fall-out of him feeling, perhaps, a little humiliated. And that fall-out could last a while. And it would help if you felt quite strong - which you may not at the moment. (His behaviour is not of the kind that leads to feeelings of security).

Another way would be to be more covert - test out the ground. Are thre problems? What are they? How is he feeling?

If you do the latter, I would suggest reading some of WhenWillIFeelNormal's posts about the aftermath of affairs. Yes, I know it's not an affair but she has good insights on how to address issues within a relationship without you becoming a doormat, trying to make everything luvverly for your partner.

Whatever you do, bear in mind that this is bad behaviour, not adult, responsible behaviour on his part. Whatever the two of you do, he needs to do some growing up in the way he deals with stress and problems.

AnyFucker · 29/05/2011 20:57

a little humiliation wouldn't go amiss here

his behaviour entirely deserves it

why should he be let off the hook ?

why are his feelings paramount ?

OP is the wronged party here

mintyaero · 29/05/2011 21:03

I know that, AF. I'm warning the OP.

Forewarned is forearmed. Humiliation will almost certainly come out as lots of self-righteous storming around, and (bizzare) acts of asserting himself against the OP.

Unfortunately.

I think we all know he should be doing a lot of apologising. But, alas, it is a little inlikely. Initially at least.

perfectstorm · 29/05/2011 21:15

Firslt I am incredibly sorry. It must be agonisingly painful.

In my view if someone needs cossetting badly enough, and is with a nice person, then all he has to do is ask. All he has to do is say he wants them to have some nights out alone together. All he has to do is to stop acting lke an entitled brat, and betraying his spouse and baby just so he can feel a youthful flush of romance like some sodding teenager.

If he isn't shocked into reality then the fantasy can persist. What he's doing is adolescent and pathetic, but probably doesn't feel real yet, so he isn't really connecting to what he stands to lose. This woman is beyond his reach, wheras his normal life is to an extent going to be mundane - however happy we are, it always will be. (Please say that isn't just me...!) I think he needs to be snapped out of happy happy sunshine world and made to see what he could lose if he continues to chase rainbows. And if he starts having an affair, then it will be too late.

I'd be honest to the point of brutality. Say I'd heard the phone call and my antennae went up, that I checked FB accordingly, and that I saw it all. That you have a small child to think of and wtf is he playing at - does he want to lose you and be a part time dad?

If you start playing nicey nicey in an effort to keep him, you'll lose self esteem, and you'll always be scared of bad patches, of being honest when he pisses you off, of calling him on it if he is a git. Yes, marriages cool when babies arrive. Happens to us all. Yes, it's hard. Kids take a lot of energy and love and time. But getting an ego stroke on the side is escapist idiocy as a way to deal with it.

The issue is that she is his escape fantasy - his Seychelles holiday from life. Reality has nothing to do with that IMO. I'd call him on it and have some honest discussions about where the relationship is, and I'd go to couples counselling. What I would not do is try to compete on the sly, play the perfect girlfriend, and allow the dishonesty to compound. He's an adult and if this relationship is to be worth anything IMO she has to show him and herself the respect he isn't apparently capable of atm and just be direct and honest. That way they can clear the air, and with any luck move on. If he wants an escape route and is emotionally disengaging anyway so he can have an affair waiting is only going to assist that process - and how adorable and shiny a love object would most of us be capable of acting, anyway, if in the poor OP's shoes and dealing with something so horrendous? Besides, if what he wants from this ex is an imaginary escape from the day to day, the mother of his child and the woman he lives with is never going to compete - she is his reality, which is what he needs to remember matters.

totallylost · 29/05/2011 21:16

that was my point too, let him know yoy have been checking him on him and he may focusing on that which could divert him from feeling guilty. Could then lead to him doing something stupid that he doesn't really want.

AnyFucker · 29/05/2011 21:22

great post, PS

TL, I believe what you are saying there is totally focussing on his feelings, and totally disregards OP's

which is what his behaviour is all about, isn't it ?

utterly selfish and he needs calling on it

HerHissyness · 29/05/2011 21:25

I'm loving perfectstorm's post!

"I'd be honest to the point of brutality. Say I'd heard the phone call and my antennae went up, that I checked FB accordingly, and that I saw it all. That you have a small child to think of and wtf is he playing at - does he want to lose you and be a part time dad?"

Says it all for me!

mintyaero · 29/05/2011 21:36

OP, I rather like PS's suggestions, too.

I'm sure there are some people who really could pull off the "covert approach" but I have to admit, I couldn't. And it seems to be making you feel very unhappy, too. That matters.

AnyFucker · 29/05/2011 21:40

yes, minty, it really, really matters

saving his feelings now does not

Leverkusen · 29/05/2011 21:45

'be gentle with him, let him know he matters.' TL, what a crappy piece of advice.

I don't think he was thinking of how much his wife matters when he went creeping about his ex!

mintyaero · 29/05/2011 21:49

Have I ever said they did?

But, to be honest, the OP probably isn't totally at that point. Though i do think one of the things about mn is that it'll be a communal lifting her up, and getting her to put her feelings first. A good thing, imo, because society often tells women not to.

Thinking about this a bit more, or probably just re-emphasising, Squishylicious, it seems to me that you have tried the non-confronting thing, and it hasn't worked for you. That, maybe, is why you're posting?