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TheLadyEvenstar · 23/05/2011 10:23

Went out for a few hours with friends and I didn't come home until 4am.
DP had called the police and my sister...

we have been rowing for a few days now and tbh I just didn't want to come back here to row again. So at 11,45 when my friends went home I went for a walk and just kept walking, trying to clear my head. Because of the area I live in I put my phone on silent so nobody bothered me. I checked my phone at 3.30 and found I had had 21 missed calls.

I know I was stupid and inconsiderate to do that but I am so worn out with it all.

I had 2 hours sleep and am now vegging on the sofa while ds2 plays.

When I came home we started to talk but shortly it turned into bickering so i went to bed.

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Mouseface · 23/05/2011 15:25

TLES - yes, it sounds as though he sees you as a mother figure of sorts. He is happy for you to take care of him, the house, the bills, the children.

Does he open up to you about his feelings towards his mother? Maybe he should get some help with that.

It doesn't sound as though he shows you much affection. Is it really worth it?

TheLadyEvenstar · 23/05/2011 15:43

He can be the most affectionate,loving, caring and considerate person - when it suits him.

His own mother is the person he was abused by for 3yrs. I have told him he needs to sort himself out regarding her.

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Mouseface · 23/05/2011 16:45

TLES - so when he's 'nice' you're happy to be with him.

What about when he's not?

TheLadyEvenstar · 23/05/2011 17:13

I just get on and do my own thing with the boys.

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TheLadyEvenstar · 23/05/2011 22:49

what am i going to do? today we can't even talk to eachother.

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Mouseface · 24/05/2011 10:47

TLES - how long has all of this been going on? How long have you been together?

If he won't talk to you, you can't force him. It sounds as though there is far more to this than you are saying.

It seems a bit extreme and dramatic from both sides if I'm honest. How did it all start? A bit more history might help. Short posts don't really tell the full story so I'm not sure how posters can help you.

Can you expand on what you've posted already?

TheLadyEvenstar · 24/05/2011 11:48

We have been together coming up 6yrs.

When we met we were both still married but seperated. I got my divorce through the year after we met and he said he would sort his out, in August 2008 I paid the initial £167 for the online divorce proceedings. He only had to fill in a questionaire and click submit. Which I FINALLY got him to do Febuary last year.

For me it was never about getting married just about him not being married iyswim?

Anyway August last year he asked me to marry him and told me his divorce was almost finalised. I went and bought my dress, bridesmaids dresses, booked the church etc and then I discovered January this year his divorce was nowhere near finalised because he had not done anything about printing and sending a form off.

I asked him calmly why he had not done so and his reply was "I don't love you enough to marry you". My initial reaction was one of hurt and crying. This was all around my birthday and tbh it ended up being a pretty shitty time.

We then sat down and had a long indepth talk where I was basically saying "I don't know if I can move on from what you have said" and he went into depth about his childhood and how his mother had sexually abused him for 3yrs hence his ways etc. I explained I felt he would benefit from counselling and he nodded and said yes in all the right places. He also added he would get his divorce sorted asap as he did love me.

Roll on to Friday last week. I went out and a friend of mine got rather drunk so I said she could stay at mine the night - to me this is what friends do. I came in with her and made both of us a coffee, went and made DS1's bed and said goodnight. She then stood there and said "Tles tles Tles, what would I have done without you tonight" and hugged me.

He sent a text from the bedroom to say "What the fuck is that you have with you" I replied "My friend".
I went into the bedroom and he started telling me I should have cleared with him first that it was ok to bring her back, to which I replied "this is my home and tbh you don't have a choice".

He then went into a barrage of insults and accusations of how I was a slag and was looking to have some fun with my dyke mate. TBH I just laughed at him and went to sleep.

Saturday he spent the day sending abusive messages about how I am fat, need to get a grip as nobody would want me, I act like a bloke, he wouldn't have been with me still if I hadn't got pregnant and had DS2.

I hardly spoke to him on Saturday evening and on Sunday had a lazy day with DS2. I went out Sunday evening and had a barrage of texts pretty much the same as I had had on Saturday daytime. I sent him a message and said "If this doesn't stop I will not be coming back tonight as I really cannot cope with anymore of this shit"

Hence why I didn't come home.

He called me in the day yesterday and asked what was for dinner so i told him and said his was ready and was in the microwave. (bear in mind he does not live with me, he is here most days and I cook for him, do his washing etc but he has a room with friends) So he came in and basically started trying to cause further upset, I ignored him and didn't respond. So he went to bed. He then got up and started telling me how I was a disgusting person who didn't deserve him and I should think myself lucky as he "is the best thing to have ever happened to me".

I told him in no uncertain terms that this had to stop and be sorted one way or another and left it at that.

He called me a few minutes ago and wanted to know what I wanted to do as a family on Sunday and I said "You think thats actually going to be enjoyable for any of us in this current situation" He then asked if he and the boys were still coming to the pub with me on Friday - despite me telling him on many different ocassions that I dont like the boys in the pub on a Friday, I don't mind taking them on the very rare Sunday when the pub is not as busy and we have Dinner there, stay for the early evening entertainment and be home for the boys to get to bed by 9. I also had made arrangements to go out with a friend this week who has been having a really bad time lately after finding her partner of 16yrs has a 14m old son with someone else. So he started moaning and said "You didn't ask me if you could go" To which I replied "Sorry my dad died 7yrs ago, I didn't realise he had appointed you the job of ruling me". He didn't like that mumbled something and hung up.

I think I have covered everything [sigh]

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Mouseface · 24/05/2011 12:07

TLES - Oh. My. Jeff.

Why are you with him? Seriously? I completly understand that he's had an abusive past which must be horrific to endure, especially from his own flesh and blood.

But, that doesn't excuse the emotional and verbal abuse towards you.

Nothing that I read above makes me think that he loves you, not one bit. He might well care about you but that's where it ends. He treats you as his replacement mother as far as I can see.

You cook, clean and take care of him, you are there at his beck and call but he lives apart from you.

Does he support you and his child (I'm assuming DS1 isn't his, sorry if he is, just with him saying about if you didn't get pg with him, he'd be gone) finacially? Sorry to get personal but does he not live with you for Tax Credits/DWP/HB reasons?

I can't believe that he let you arrange your wedding and then took it away from you. Well, actually I can. I've been there too. It's spiteful and mean.

You say that when he's nice it's great. But how can him being 'nice' for a while make up for his utterly vile behaviour towards you?

Yes, counselling could work wonders for him re his past but his present and future is supposed to be you and the children.

He's not ready for that. Not at all.

He's jealous of your friends, he thinks that he should have some say in who stays in your house, he feels threatened by you show of affection/help towards your friend, like you'll prefer herover him so kicks off. Sending you a text FFS!

He has serious issues here and you and the children are only going to be at the receiving end of the bad bits the longer he gets aways with it.

He needs to get help and whist he does, he needs to give you some space to think whether or not this is really going anywhere at all.

garlicbutter · 24/05/2011 12:19

Dear lord, you had a wedding all sorted and THEN he told you he wasn't divorced? Sweetheart, this is a non-starter :( Add on the rude, misogynistic and cruel episodes you've also touched on and you're looking at a self-absorbed user with no insufficient respect for you or form women in general.

It's over. You're throwing your love and care down a bottomless hole. Please stop doing it.

garlicbutter · 24/05/2011 12:20

with insufficient respect for you or for women in general
oops

TheLadyEvenstar · 24/05/2011 12:24

Ok, we did live together but we decided prior to DS1 being dx with aspergers it would be best for him to move out to see if his behaviour calmed down - which it didn't. Then when I moved to my new property in December last year he moved with me, we then had that huge row near my bday and I asked him to move back to his friends while we sorted things out. Things were fine, I mean we had silly rows but nothing major, until Friday when my friend stayed the night.

My mum has offered him a bed at hers for a month and I am going to put that to him and see what he says.

I think he needs serious counselling.

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TheLadyEvenstar · 24/05/2011 12:27

He keeps going on about this friend - and she is just a friend and the fact she is a lesbian.

I went through this with him a few years ago when I had another friend who was a lesbian and used to go to clubs etc with her (prior to me having DS2) and stay at hers if it was a late night. He went as far as telling my mum that I was going and staying there and accused me of being a lesbian so mum bought me a t-shirt - "Dip me in chocolate and throw me to the lesbians"

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TheVisitor · 24/05/2011 12:31

I can't see anything nice or attractive about this man.

Mouseface · 24/05/2011 12:36

TLES - so because your friend is gay, he sees her in the same light as a mna and therefore a threat so his stomping ground.

Oh dear.

This gets worse the more I read. Get him out. Stop him staying and get him into counselling asap, or actually, make him do it.

You are NOT the mother he never had. It's time he owned his own demons and troubles and stopped using them as an excuse not to commit.

This is really cloes to the bone for me and I really feel for you but the more you post, the more I see that in the end, children or not, he's not ready to accept the changes he needs to face.

Mouseface · 24/05/2011 12:37

'man' 'to' 'close'

Sorry Blush

JanMorrow · 24/05/2011 12:50

What redeeming or positive features does he have?
What positives does he bring to your life?
Does the relationship make you feel special, safe and nurtured? Is it fun?

All relationships have ups and downs but the ups are meant to outweigh the downs..

TheLadyEvenstar · 24/05/2011 13:02

Mouse you have hit the nail on the head there, he needs to face his demons sooner rather than later.

He is brilliant with DS1, not so good with DS2 though.

He is generous and can be caring.

Yes he does have a problem with me being friends with this woman as he see's her as a threat - I am who I am. and he cannot see I can have male and female friends without being attracted to them or wanting to jump their bones.

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Mouseface · 24/05/2011 14:20

TLES - that's because he is so insecure. His past relationships have failed to one degree or another. His mother and his XW. He's waiting for the bubble to burst but he's the one with the pin.

Thing is, you can't move on, either of you, until he stops and takes the steps to heal.

You can't do anything to change him, you can't make him talk to you, or love you or be your husband/partner, not how you need him to be.

He needs help and you have two choices here really, you stand by him and support him on the journey he needs to take.

Or you stand well back and let him get on with it.

Not any easy decision Sad

TheLadyEvenstar · 24/05/2011 14:34

No far from an easy decision for me.

I love him, he is a great dad to both boys. He can be the best company ever but then he seems to get frightened and things like this happen. Oh I dunno Sad

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Pictish · 24/05/2011 14:38

He's a manipulative, abusive shit.

Pictish · 24/05/2011 14:40

And he reckons he's the best thing that ever happened to you hey?

You deserve more. SO much more.

ChickensHaveNoEyebrows · 24/05/2011 14:41

You just said he wasn't so good with DS2, and then in the next breath said he was great with both boys. You can't have it both ways. Being on your own isn't so bad, really.

Mouseface · 24/05/2011 14:56

TLE - stop covering for him. As Chickens has pointed out, in one breath he's a great dad to both, then he's not.

You seem to be really mixed up.

Pictish · 24/05/2011 15:09

I'm not suprised the poor OP is mixed up.

He calls her names, messes her about (that story with the wedding - well, that's actually tantamount to cruelty in my book), tries to dictate who she can and can't hang out with, doesn't live with her but thinks he's in charge of who gets to stay in her house, tells her she should be grateful to have him, persistently sends her abusive texts when she stands up to him, and blows hot and cold on her, leaving her in a perpetual state of confusion.......then is explains all of this away as the result of childhood abuse.

What loving, caring woman out there wouldn't have a sense of obligation in the face of that?

OP - I am so sorry that your dp has suffered....but must you suffer too?

I think he is very manipulative. I think he emotionally blackmails you into accepting his God awfuk behaviour, and I really really feel for you. x

TheLadyEvenstar · 24/05/2011 15:49

he is a great dad, what I mean is he is better with DS1 who is 9yrs older than DS2. They have days out fishing etc. Where as DS2 and I do more together. But he is a great dad to both of them, treats them equally etc.

Pictish, thats how I am beginning to feel tbh.

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