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Just had my Narc Mother to stay for the weekend <frazzled>

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DrNortherner · 22/05/2011 18:50

Any other Narc offsprings care to lend an ear? Grin

She came up for the funeral of MIL's partner. (My Mum never misses the opportunity of a funeral). She reminded everyone she spoke to at the funeral, that she buried her husband only 2 years ago, and how hard it's been for her. I heard her tell my SIL she came to the funeral to support me Hmm Well, some support when my own Father died would have been nice thanks.

She eats the food we cook, she never helps, she doesn't even clear her plate, just wanders innto the other room to watch TV. She talks only about herself, and her life. If conversation is about other people she stares into space and does not involve herself. Then turns on the water works as 'people are ignoring her'

Dh and her do not like each other, so I am trying to keep the peace. It is a minefield. I drove her to the station and got no word of thanks for dropping her off, for having her to stay, for sorting out her tickets on line. Nothing.

She has moaned all weekend about her family, her friends. MIL actually told her for being mean about one of her friend, and said it was an afwul thing to say and she should be ashamed. My Mother stopped dead in her tracks. NO one ever says this to her....

I just know that tomorrow when I call her there will be tears, she will be upset and play the victim.

I have a duty to her as my Mother, but I get nothing from her at all. Dh is alraedy saying he doesn't want her here at Christmas and I am stressing about it already.

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CoffeeIsMyFriend · 23/05/2011 17:54

Look Dr N - not everyone can or wants to cut their parent out of their life. I wont do that either, but I did have counselling to help me deal with it.

And it bloody works, I tell you, it works. The lady counselling me was brilliant - a total godsend, she 'got' it totally and showed me ways to help me deal with it. And it was like a lightbulb moment. This was about 4 years ago and since then I have managed things so much better. It isnt always easy to change a pattern that you have followed for many years, but I tell you in all honesty I would have gone under totally. Sad

DrNortherner · 23/05/2011 18:00

How do you get councelling for this? Do you pay for it?

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CoffeeIsMyFriend · 23/05/2011 18:04

I have sent you a pm DrN. But there are many ways, there are charities where you pay a minimum amount, there are private people who charge more and then there are always some help via your employer - if they have that sort of thing. Usually outsourced to another company via private healthcare.

Fimbo · 23/05/2011 18:07

Oh gawd yeah. The "proud moments". When I was 17 I started work in a solicitors office as a junior. She was so thrilled to be able to tell all her cronies that I was working in a solicitors firm. It was like I was going to work for the Prime Minister or something. They love to tell everyone now that I have a big house (granted it is quite big but it's a new build by a shit housebuilder) and how well my dh has done at work. She even lied to my aunt and told her I can drive

Tbh Dr N, I don't really deal with it. I nip dh's head about it all. I spend many a weekend in tears. I have to phone them (father is an enabler) at 9am sharp on a Sunday and it's not worth the agro or feelings inside to ignore it.

I think counselling could be the answer for me too, dh is always pushing for me to have it.

TheCrackFox · 23/05/2011 18:14

Does anyone's mum constantly brag about your acheivements but never actually ever tell you well done.

I'm not sure I deal with it very well. My dH is a great help (he has always thought she was as mad as a box of frogs) and now I just treat her like she has some kind of mental illness and can't help it.

DrNortherner · 23/05/2011 18:32

No, my Mum does actually say well done to me, but only really for the benefit of others. She has not once said well done for being able to run 13 miles, despite bloody hard training. She didn't say well done for reading my dads eulogy at his funeral. Instead she said 'anyone listening to that would think I was never around when you grew up' Hmm

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Playdohinthewashingmachine · 23/05/2011 18:34

You know, you are not responsible for her happiness. If she is unhappy you do not have to fix it.

One of my turning points was when I realised that I was enabling my mother to behave badly towards me. If she was my child I wouldn't let her get away with it, for her own good. I would let her experience the natural consequences of her behaviour because that would help her. I realised that the best way to honour her as a human being and as my parent would be to stop protecting her.

If your mother is alone at Christmas, that will not be your fault. If she is upset because you don't phone her, that will not be your fault either. Try imagining that your children have grown up, and you have had a visit from Doctor Who and a personality transplant, and are making them feel the way your mother makes you feel. What would you want them to do? Can you give yourself permission to do what you'd want your children to do in your situation?

And one more thing - everyone who arrives on the Stately Homes thread starts by saying they feel a fraud for being there and that their childhood wasn't that bad. It took me a long time to realise that my parents were abusive. No bruises to show, you see.

Sorry, and another thing! The NSPPC definition of child abuse includes "conveying to children that they are valued only insofar as they meet the needs of another person" and "overprotection".

jade80 · 23/05/2011 18:45

Lots of sympathy for several of the posters here :( you sound like it's driving you up the wall! My mum drives me nuts too... but not to this extent!

To the poster who said they have to call their mum at 9am every Sunday- so what happens if you don't?! I'm afraid I'd be having a long lie in with phones switched off if anyone expected that from me. Or maybe a last minute day out. What can she do apart from moan about it?!

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Fimbo · 24/05/2011 10:23

Jade, that is me that has to do that phonecall. If I don't, they phone me and if that doesn't work, my mobile, then dh's. Then I get "we thought something had happened to you where were you". They phone me on a Thursday but sometimes I pretend I am out and don't answer. They ring every 15 minutes until you answer despite leaving a message on the answerphone.

My parents are also very very very jealous of my in-laws. They expected my ds to sleep on the floor in their hallway so as we didn't go and stay with my mil who has beds to accomdate us. They got cross and shouted at dh and I when we moved about 2 miles nearer pil and about 10 miles from them. I could go on.

HerHissyness · 24/05/2011 10:42

Who the hell are these people? They are not Mum and Dad, Mum and Dad don't do that, really they DON'T! These people are tyrants FGS.

OK so they are not pasting the walls with you physically, but they are controlling your every second of each day for their own gain, and actually to your detriment. This is not caring, this is not nurture, this is holding a child to ransom, it is emotional abuse.

Fimbo, STOP the 9am ritual FGS, that is like some kind of House Arrest/Probation! Please call your mother on Saturday, tell her you and the DC are going out on Sunday so won't be able to call. MIX IT UP! Another week, don't call her at 9am, let her ring, Call her back at 10am and say you were in the garden, Sorry, forgot, didn't hear the phone, ANYTHING, but start to wriggle. They have no right to shout at you or at your DH for anything you decide to do. They are terrorising your life.

OK, can we organise a joint effort of rebellion? Can we agree on a week where you take back your lives, where you say, er no Mum, I'm busy, no mum, my children can't sleep on the floor this time. No Mum, I can't talk now, I'll call you back.

Let's open up a Thread of Defiance and post about the freakish reactions you will get to you wanting to take back your own lives. We can all help you realise that what you are going through is not and never should be normal to anyone.

Fimbo · 24/05/2011 11:15

Yes boss HerHissyness Grin. We dared to be defiant and didn't let ds sleep on the floor we went to mil's. My parents cannot stand it as we do it every year now (we are in England they are in Scotland) because they "miss feeding our dcg and its embarrassing having to explain to people why you are not staying with us".

HerHissyness you would be agog at some of the tales I could bore you with.

Fimbo · 24/05/2011 11:16

dcg abbreviated that wrongly, stands for dear grandchildren.

DrNortherner · 24/05/2011 13:03

I used to have to ring every day, just after 6pm. I got Sundays off. My Mother kindly said not to ring on Sundays as its a family day and you should eb spending it as a fmily Hmm I now ring her every other day. If I say it's just a quick call her tone becomes short with me. She has been known to accsue me of not having time to speak with her.

Sometimes if I am out, dh ingonores hr calls (we have caller ID) and she will also call every 15/20 mins. Her record is 8 times in one night. The next day, her first question was 'Where were you' followed by 'You didn't tell me you were going out'

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HerHissyness · 24/05/2011 13:16

It's not normal to live like that and you'd not accept it from a partner or a friend. They have conditioned you into accepting this, and stuck in the FOG to stop you standing up for your own family.

Carry on the defiance, please, break free from this.

Fimbo · 24/05/2011 14:00

You just accept it as the norm as that is all you have ever known your whole life (I am 43). It's not until you see threads like this or people tell you about their lovely parents that you realise it is wrong.

My parents in law treat me better than my own parents. Thankfully my dh does and will stand up to them so things are bad but not as bad as they were in my younger years.

As I said earlier I think I need counselling. Sorry btw to invade your thread Dr N.

CelticStarlight · 24/05/2011 14:14

Dr Northerner

What you describe is madness. You weren't put on this earth to please your parents and live your live according to their wants - note that I say 'wants' and not needs.

I couldn't live the way you do, it must be like being in some kind of prison. Please have a think about how you can live your life to suit you. Your mum is an adult and responsible for entertaining, calming and enjoying HERSELF.

I cut contact with my mother six years ago now and it is the best thing I have ever done. She turned her whole family against me at the time - I had done nothing wrong, she stole a lot of money from me - so I was left without anyone except my in-laws and friends but it was worth everything to get up and enjoy every day and feel it was my own to enjoy as I pleased.

Now, I continually get approached by members of my family as they struggle to deal with her nightmarish behaviour - the behaviour they told me was 'normal' and the result of her loving me when it was just me dealing with it on my own has suddenly become something quite different in their eyes now it is their problem! I don't believe blood is thicker than water, you can create a loving family around you from people who actually like you and have your interests at heart.

TheCrackFox · 24/05/2011 14:33

I've managed to wean my Mum off from phoning 4 times a day (that is not a typo) to twice a week. It was actually Mumsnet that helped me to see that it was far from normal. I used to think she was overprotective but, infact, it was very, very controlling.

Once, when I didn't answer (after phoning every 10 minutes for over an hour) she phoned DH - he is a chef and phoned during an incredibly busy Saturday night - he gave her a complete bollocking.

DrNortherner · 24/05/2011 14:58

Fimbo, don't apologise. Smile The more the merrier! At least it helps to know we are not alone. I agree, you do accept it as normal.

Dh and my friends think I am mad to put up with it. But I do. I have had nearly 35 years of her. And I feel terrible she she is upset.

My Dad was wonderful. But I realise now he was an enable. Although he shielded me fro alot of her behaviour. Now he is no longer with us it is becoming more and more apparant.

If she comes to stay with us, she expects me to drive a 160 mile trip to collect her, and again to take her back as she lives 80 miles away and she doesn't drive. I have managed to make it so that I pick her up, but that she gets teh coach/train back, but I always have to sort out her travel and book the tickets and pay for them. I will address this with her next time. I will happily book them for her, but will ask for her card number.

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HairyWoman · 24/05/2011 15:13

Reading your posts DrN I can feel the fear and guillt. I can feel how afraid you are of standing up to your mother because it is a feeling I am very familiar with myself. If I do anything which results in her being upset i feel an almost unbearable guilt which nobody can talk me out of, it's almost primeval.

As children my brothers and myself suffered from our father's narcisistic behaviour and we all grew up protecting our mother who we gave a saintlike status. It took me most of my life to get my head around my relationship with my father and it was only when I turned 50 last year that I even began to see what my relationship with my mother consisted of. The fact is we children were responsible for protecting her when she should have protected us.I am still expected to treat her like the saintly victim she is even though my father died 7 years ago.

FOG describes exactly how I feel about my relationship with my mum but also when I have conversations with her it is as if I am literally in a fog. Things I say/do are twisted so that they are about her and I spend days wandering about not knowing reality from truth. Many of the above examples ring true - she always thinks everything is about her. Every conversation is turned round to be about her.

Over the last few years I have started to see this. It has been a hard awakening for me and, as I have changed over the last few years, she has become quite cold to me and at times I feel like an abandoned child, even though I am over 50 years old. It has been hard to realise that she doesn't like me for what I am but for what she wants me to be. She is jealous of my achievements. If I have any negative feelings such a sadness, she turns them around so that it is about her (paranoid). I still feel the old pull of guilt everytime I ring her (she never rings me) that I am responsible for this woman child, that if I don't look after her she will suffer in some way -but at least i've started to see things occassionally for what theyare, it's a start.

Sorry for going on about myself on your thread - like you DrN, I cannot contemplate cutting contact with my mother, I am literally the only one she has in the UK, she has no friends just acquaintances, everything is down to me. I hope you can gain strength from these posts, as I do.

CelticStarlight · 24/05/2011 15:28

HairyWoman

Your mother's lack of friends and acquaintances is not your fault, you aren't her entertainment, safety net or emotional punching bag. In fact, I would say that her lack of other people in her life is an indication of her dysfunction. What would happen to her if you died? Do you think she would die too because you aren't there to 'look after' her. I can honestly say that she would survive, she has survival and coping skills aplenty - she survived living with your father by make you and your siblings responsible for protecting her.

I just find it so sad that so many people feel trapped into a life of emotional servitude by these horrendously selfish and self-absorbed people.

Breaking free is hard, but it is by no means as hard as you might expect because - among the sadness at not having loving parents - there comes a realisation that you can make your own happiness.

HairyWoman · 24/05/2011 15:36

Thanks for that CelticStarlight, it's exactly what I need to hear!

CelticStarlight · 24/05/2011 15:38

I'm glad. You sound lovely and you deserve to be happy. :)

piranhamorgana · 24/05/2011 15:50

Dr N

Congratulations for posting.Now you are starting to wake up to the reality - your mother is not behaving in a normal way towards you.Her behaviour is unacceptable.
That's a great start.
I truly empathise.I only started to wake up last year,as a result of realizing that my (now x) p's behaviour was,in fact ,abusive.MN pointed this out,via the NPD thread.My mother has always behaved in ways which were very similar to the abuse I was accepting from him.With him out of the way - removed by threat of court action and police support - it became crystal clear that anyone behaving in that way was wrong,and should not be tolerated.

In the main,I too, am talking about emotional manipulation,gaslighting,controlling,turning everything around to be about her - including (especially)any achievements or upset/illness which anyone else (me ,mainly) might experience.

I do not have bruises,but the emotional damage goes very deep.That is why I was such an easy target - at 41- for an abusive narc like xp.It all seemed normal.

Like you,I feel unable to go no contact.But posting and lurking on MN has enabled me to begin to change my own behaviour - particularly my responses towards my mother.

The result,a year on,is that I am starting to feel more in control.The surprise for me has been that ,like HairyWoman ,I feel like an abandoned child .This is because she now barely ever calls and never asks to see me.I never get odd, inappropriate presents,and she never bothers to ask any questions about my life - where previously,she would ,but would ignore/talk over the top of my reply.

What she has never done is complain outright to me.But she has become even more passively aggressive.She has almost got to the stage where she will ask if she and my father can visit,and when.And since I returned to work from ML ,has arranged for the visits to be short,and before I am home from work.They only want to see the older dc ,and pretend baby doesn't exist.

Her N behaviour is so transparent now.But for the first 41 years of my life I felt and behaved exactly as you describe.

Mind you,it hurts and I have to work at it.But if I hadn't started posting on here ,I would still be caught in the fog and running rings round her,hoping to get what I needed from my mother.These mothers will never give us what we need.That is so hard to face.

Keep posting.I am sure you too can make small changes that will start to have a knock on effect.I am so glad your dh is supportive.

ps - I actually did get a "wonderful" early birthday present from my m at her last visit :- oven gloves with a horses head on them and the words "nag,nag,nag," printed in big letters.......how special that made me feel...Grin

HairyWoman · 24/05/2011 16:07

It's really raw that feeling of abandonment, isn't it piranha?

Yes, that's another thing, my mother has also developed a really horrible sense of humour too