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Wondering what to do to get the desire back

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SeeSawSee · 05/05/2011 21:23

Hi all - namechange for this (OP is a MN user too).

DW and I have been together for about 10 years and have a DC of seven months.
We haven't had sex since just before the birth of DC (who is breastfed). Of course there's a period after birth where sex might not be of interest at all to a woman, and breastfeeding can supress desire too. We've spoken to each other about this and agreed that we will wait until DW is ready. Sometimes that can be a little hard (pun sort of intended) but I think DW would agree that it's not something that I make a big deal of. So waiting basically until DW shows interest, without closing myself off in the meantime. The rest of our relationship is good, no problems there.

Over the last few weeks, DW has kind of indicated that she might be more receptive to the idea. Last week we went away for the week, and DW asked me to make sure there were condoms in the our bags. "Game on" thought I, though didn't put any particular pressure on (as per our understanding to wait for her to be ready). During the week away (and since), DW hasn't show any interest at all. Cuddles and the occasional kiss (as per usual) were fine for her, but no indication of anything more. If anything did seem to be developing, there was always a reason why not (eg tired, or this/that needed sorting, or dishes putting away (!) etc). I have tried to mask any feelings of frustration or disappointment, with (I think) fair success.

Possibly just venting, but I don't really know where to go from here. Now I'm back to work after the hols I don't see how the situation will improve any time soon and, well, any advice much appreciated. "Too tired" is probably the most oft-used killer phrase, and often I can see that's true but tbh it sometimes feels like once things are sorted (DC in bed, had dinner, tidied house etc) then DW considers that the day is done, sort of switches off and isn't particularly inclined to invest any time/energy in anything else.

I've pre-answered some questions below that I think usually get asked on these sort of topics. Sorry if some sound a bit defensive, they're not meant to be.

Have we spoken about it? Not specifically this week, because (a) of the "understanding" and (b) I just don't think it would lead anywhere positive (ie might end up with DW feeling under pressure and therefore less keen).

Do I help around the house, lighten the load, give DW the opportunity to feel less tired? Yes (and because that's how we work as a family, I don't just do it for this reason). I don't think DW would say there's a great deal more I can realistically do to help (esp. as I work full time and often not back till about half seven (though usually get chance in the evening to do DC's bedtime bath and story and then make our tea)). DW doesn't work, but that's what we both thought best to care for DC.

Have I tried doing something nice - laying on a warm bath, nice tea, (non-sexual) massage etc? Yes, all of them. Didn't work (in "that" regard - again, not specifically done with sex in mind). Ended up with a well-fed, relaxed and ultimately asleep DW - which is good of course, but clearly not a solution to this thread.

Do you think DW is put off by, eg, her own body image? No, not at all. In fact she's quite proud of how she looks now - as slim as she was at university. Clothes that she had put away before pregnancy have had to go back away (or to the charity shop) because they're falling off her. She looks great, and I like to tell her so.

Do you think DW is put off by, eg, your body image? Not that I'm aware of! As far as I know (and from previous conversations) there's nothing specifically about me that she is finding less attractive. Sex has always been good between us before, both in quality and frequency (ie we're pretty compatible in that area).

Have we tried counselling? No, neither of us think that's necessary at this stage.

Can't you just have a wank? Don't be childish.

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Helltotheno · 07/05/2011 20:09

OP I'm not getting the impression from your post at all that your wife is down, has PND, a bad body image or any of those other things that are being suggested. My impression is she's quite simply wrapped up in taking care your both your new child, which is a monumental experience in any woman's life and one that causes single-mindedness a lot of the time. At the moment, she just doesn't want sex with you, has lost her desire for you. Can she get her libido back? Of course she can. Will she get her libido back? Again, very probably but a lot of that depends on you. Whether you know it or not, you're exuding desperation right now. The main reason she's not being affectionate towards you is that she (probably rightly, let's be fair) assumes gestures of affection on her part will be construed as her wanting sex, which she obviously doesn't at the moment. There are ups and downs in everyone's sex life who's been in a relationship for a long time and when kids are in the picture, things can slow down. She doesn't owe you sex so you just need to accept that this is a slowdown phase and weather the storm.

Also your statement that the suggestion 'have a wank' is childish is a bit kind of insulting to all those single/not partnered up people who actually have to do just that to get over the drought periods. What's wrong with a wank? It's a time-honoured tradition to be used whenever the need for it is there. You give the impression it's a bit below you...

If I were you, I'd distance myself a small bit from doing all the 'nicey nicey' things for your wife because underneath it all, you're hoping they'll lead to a shag whether you admit it to yourself or not. Instead, put all those energies into doing stuff around the house, being hands on with the baby etc etc. Act a bit cooler, sort of as if you're a bit off sex (with her) yourself. I'd say she'll come round soon enough.

Sorry if you think any of this is harsh. You seem like a good person.

zikes · 07/05/2011 20:37

I mentioned depression in connection with almostgivenup's post, not the OP.

Helltotheno · 07/05/2011 20:41

I know, I just meant what was suggested in relation to op's post...

AlmostGivenUp · 07/05/2011 21:24

zikes she won't go to the GP, she won't talk to anyone. She's been brought up to think about everyone else but herself and to sweep her issues under the carpet. It's like she actually pretends there is nothing wrong. She sometimes admits, that if she keeps busy with other things, she won't think about her issues.

The only time she has admitted depression is when I have been at the point of packing my bags. As soon as I do the right thing and ask why hasn't she told me before and say I'll support her through whatever life throws at us, she pushes it all to one side again and we are back to square one. The next day we are back to, "oh it was just a wobble". If I say the word depression she throws it back at me. She is an outstanding mother but has nothing but lethargy and complacency when it comes to our relationship.

I will never abandon her, it is simply an impossibility for me due to the way in which I have been brought up. But the resentment grows day by day.

My counsellor has told me that my DW needs to want to help herself and that I cannot force her to help herself. My counsellor has also told me that I need to look after myself mentally and physically otherwise I will be incapable of supporting my DW.

She has at various times agreed to going to Relate only for her to change her mind within a few days. We then agreed we should buy the relevant Relate books for us both to read together. I bought them, she read the first chapter of one and then pushed them to one side again.

My patience contines to be tested. I and continue to hijack.

zikes · 07/05/2011 21:47

It doesn't give you a lot of room to manouevre then. I think if someone refuses to seek help or even look at the issues, then leaving starts looking like the only option.

AlmostGivenUp · 07/05/2011 22:01

zikes that is what I am petrified of. I am full of sadness for the lost relationship, full of resentment for the complacency and full of fear for the future. Sometimes I wish I could be happy just being co-parents so that we could happily bring up our children together. But I suppose that the children would work it out eventually and it would be a bad example to set.

Anyway, the horribe truth is that I cannot face the majority of my life in a sham marriage. I'm just very very sad but I suppose you can't always have what you want in life and you just have to accept it.

OP keep putting in the hard work together and I'm sure it will work out.

SeeSawSee · 07/05/2011 22:41

Helltotheno

Good point (and accurate I suspect) about being nicey nicey might just come across as faintly desparate.

We had a chat a few nights ago as per earlier posts on this thread - DW seems to be pretty much on the same page as a lot of repliers to this thread, but I think as you say I need to be careful to not presume that everything we do together will lead somewhere. Tricky for me (because damn, she's a good looking woman) but will see how it goes.

On the "have a wank" thing, that's really a riposte to the sort of off-hand comment that sometimes gets bandied about on related topics. I'm not at all demeaning the act or ridiculing those that do it, or suggesting it's beneath me. It's something I do just as many other people do. It's just that, reading other threads, you'd get the impression that some people seem to think there's nothing more to sex than the physical release (ie you'd "get the same result" with either sex or wanking), which I just don't think is true. FWIW I think there's a good reason why it's also known as "making love".

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ChangeDeNom · 07/05/2011 23:31

SeeSawSee I have just had DC#3 and am in the opposite position to you and your wife. I am gagging for a bit of action (at the risk of sounding desperate!), and would love for DH to show me some affection. Feel shit beyond belief about my body, so can understand how he might not want to have sex, have given birth to some very large babies (and he was present at their births) and have exclusively breastfed them all (still BFing DC#3 and have ishooos about my breasts being played with sexually while being feeding machines and possible milk leakage -ick-), but I would love for DH to do any of the following;

come and hug me from behind (you know, while washing up or laying the table or something)
talk to me about how I'm feeling [pathetic emoticon]
grab my arse from time to time
kiss my neck (when it's not covered in baby sick)
take the baby off me for a couple of hours so I don't feel clung on to all day (our 3 are all still young, so I def. need some 'me' time)
hold my hand

Any of these (or ideally all of these) things would help put me in the mood. I know it's different for me because a)I would like to have sex and b) this is my 3rd so I know how it'll feel to have sex again after birth but maybe some of these things will help.

btw, after DC#1 I don't remember when we had sex again, but I do remember being a bit repulsed (probably the wrong word?) by the thought of him penetrating me when I'd had a big old baby come out of me and my bits all stitched up after tears etc. Also very worried about his thoughts about having seen the birth and then wanting to come near me again (can you tell we don't talk much about these kinds of things?! :o)

TheBlindAssassin · 08/05/2011 01:11

The first paragraph of Helltotheno's post at 20:09 reads word for word why my husband and I found outselves in the same situation your OP is laying out. All I can say is this - if your DW is still breastfeeding, her lack of libido isn't surprising. It was the same for me. When I finally stopped breastfeeding (gradually stopped from about 15 months, finally stopped at 17 months), my libido started to return but, by then, my husband had checked out of our relationship (mentally and physically). In addition, we had someone else living with us starting at the same time which, in a house with not very thick walls and that person being my husband's young (under 18) family member who I DID NOT want living with us, was a passion-killer in itself.

My husband kidded himself that he was doing everything possible to help me around the house so I wouldn't feel stressed. We have since realised that that could not have been further from the truth. Yes, he helped out, but we women (and men) hear so much about other men never helping out that the littlest scraps of assistance seem like some kind of super-human effort.

I'm sure you can guess where this all ended - he cheated on me. Since I found out, he has tried to help out much more, asked his family member to return home and acknowledged that he wasn't doing enough (especially given that once I stopped BFing, I was working full-time, longer hours than he was (say, 55-60 hours) in a stressful job and still sorting out everything to do with DS's childcare, routine, getting up in the night with him etc). The problem is, it's too late. He may think we are working things out, but I know in my heart of hearts that our relationship is over. All I can think is, why didn't he do these things before he cheated when, as it turns out, he so easily could have?

My advice - do more, not less. If you think you are helping out loads, help out even more. Do things without being asked - laundry, dishes etc. Some might say that it is an unfair share if she is "at home all day", but when she is "at home all day", not only is she getting those things done, she is fully in charge of your child - no matter whether that child naps, she goes to babygroups etc, she is always "switched on", moreso if she is still breastfeeding, even more so if your child wakes up at night. It feels like a relentless sensory overload with no end in sight. And, more importantly, talk to her. Tell her how you feel but please, please, hold off on any accusatory language (hard as that may be). Sure, she will get angry, but the more you don't talk, the further you grow apart. Tell her you will do more without (and emphasise this) an expectation of sex - really, what you want is for her to be happy and contented as, if she isn't, your relationship can't be.

SeeSawSee · 09/05/2011 16:13

TheBlindAssassin

Sorry to hear that. Again, exactly the sort of thing I'd want to avoid. Tbh I don't think I'm the sort of person that could cheat, no matter how bad things got. Not being judgemental, I personally just couldn't bring myself to do it.

I've redoubled my efforts round the house, and (early days but) things seem to be improving. DW is happier and, while still tired in the evenings, seems to have more time away from DS/chores. At this stage I'm just looking to see her happier like this - as you say, other things can happen naturally afterwards.

(Stay tuned for September's update when we've got nowhere..!)

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Helltotheno · 09/05/2011 17:38

Good for you, lots wouldn't bother making the effort. Now keep a few
"not tonight dear, I have a headache"s up your sleeve just in the interests of playing hard to get and you should be back in the saddle in no time Wink

caroline1972 · 09/05/2011 17:47

Another woman's point of view: Many women feeling unattractive after having a baby because our bodies change so much so it's well worth complimenting her and telling her that yes she has changed but you still find her attractive and you're proud of what her body has achieved.

It's really important to touch each other without agenda ie not for sex. Just holding hands, stroking her hair, offering a foot rub etc can be lovely and make a women realise they miss intimacy with their OH. However be warned a lot of women say they get fed up of being touched by their babies/children and having to be tactile and giving all day, that the last thing they want to do is do it with their OH.

Also frankly most mums are just too knackered and uninterested in sex to even bother, we'd rather have a decent night's sleep so please don't take it personally.

I'm saying all this cos I run NCT courses for new mums and I hear this sort of stuff every day - it's all totally normal and actually there's a biological reason that new mums go off sex.

Anyway HTH

Insomnia11 · 09/05/2011 18:00

For a minute I thought my husband was the OP...

Are you actually asking her for sex and she is saying "no thanks?"

DH and I have been together 12 years and I don't think he has initiated sex for about 10 of those years! He always leaves it up to me, and we used to have sex a couple of times a week, but recently I can't be bothered so we haven't had sex for a few months. But I'd bloody love if he was overcome with desire and threw me onto the bed. It ain't gonna happen though. We are both tired and love our sleep and food, like a couple of pandas these days. :)

SeeSawSee · 09/05/2011 19:35

Heh! Nice Insomnia

Doubt it would work though - all I'd get for my troubles is a thick ear....

I think the most I've asked for (well, tried) so far is a passionate embrace with kisses. Got a "Oh get off, leave me alone".

Tbh that's possibly the bigger issue than just the no sex. In those circumstances, DW isn't saying "sorry, I'm just not ready yet". It's a flat rejection, almost like the idea is borderline repulsive.

I'm not a bonobo, I can do without for a bit. But often it can be the almost hostile response that gets me down.

For the record, I'm generally not forceful when making such moves, in fact of late I've consciously tried to avoid making any moves seem particularly dominant or pressurising.

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thehairybabysmum · 09/05/2011 19:56

I agree re the breast feeding thing...it doesnt help as i think it affects your libido, it did mine. I also would sometimes say to DH to leave me alone as i think you feel like your body is not your own anyway with the feeding. Luckily we have a good enough relationship to laugh about it mostly.

I didnt feed as long as your DW though so my DH wasnt affected for as long. I would say though that wedid have sex a couple of times befoer i stopped, i went along with it (hasten to add not pressured in any way, my DH is v. lovely) despite being initailly tired and once you get going it is great.

I would recommend, couple of glasses of wine (helps the nerves re first sex after baby i think), v. early night (no later than 9 pm) to combat the tiredness and a vibrator will help if she has one (though prob best not to suggest this if it would be a new thing). Again we used to laugh about no sex after 9...even now when DSs are older we still joke about 10 pm!!

BestNameEver · 09/05/2011 20:15

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thehairybabysmum · 09/05/2011 21:52

agree with bestname...also leaveyour bra on or say boobsare out of bounds for now..or both!

dadowado · 09/05/2011 23:15

Perhaps your wife's desire for sex with you won't come back. Perhaps you have to contemplate either ending the marriage for that reason or staying in it and learning to cope with not having sex. If you want sex and can't have it, life can be very difficult but it may be something you will just have to cope with. Plenty of women seem able to do so but men either can't or won't. I expect I sound harsh and you seem like such a loving, caring man. Sorry but speaking as a woman who experiences sexual feelings every minute of the day but can't attract a man and haven't done so for years, I have just learned to cope. It causes me great pain so I have to find my joy in life elsewhere even though I feel like half a person. What would you do if you ended your marriage? Guess there would be enormous anguish for your wife and children. Would it be worth it so you could get to have sex again? I am genuinely interested to know.

SeeSawSee · 10/05/2011 10:08

BestNameEver, thehairybabysmum

Certainly agree that A and B aren't ideal solutions (stopping bf'ing just to have sex seems very self-centered).

C sounds like a good option - all I need to do now is fashion a way for DW to stumble across this thread without her knowing I pointed her in its direction....

dadowado

Not something I could currently contemplate. Aside from throwing away all the other things that makes our relationship/family great, how do you tell your DC in a few year's time, the reason for splitting up? Just seems wrong.

If you took this to the ultimate conclusion, no I don't think I could go the rest of my life without having sex ever again. But I'm a hell of a long way away from even thinking about "alternatives" - and I don't know if I'd ever get to that stage, I may not have it in me to take that step. It's not something that needs to be considered.

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worldgonecrazy · 10/05/2011 10:44

You didn't mention what the birth was like. Did your wife have to have stitches, or was it in any way traumatic. It may be that she is physically scared of how much it will hurt to start having sex again. After I had a traumatic birth it took a few months of bravery and then plenty of lube followed by about another six weeks of very gentle penetration (no pumping away) before we could start to have full sex.

AlmostGivenUp · 10/05/2011 12:23

dadowado I certainly wouldn't consider giving up a marriage and family just over sex or lack of it. Sex seems to be incorrectly focussed on in unhappy relationships when in fact there are much bigger and more important issues being neglected. If both parties to the relationship are able to communicate and address the issues they have then there's usually a resolution to most things.

The problems come when communication doesn't happen (for whatever reason) and the problems & challenges aren't addressed. If one or both parties simply won't budge, won't consider the other's position, neglect the relationship and more importantly won't communicate then it's time to honestly ask if the relationship is worth continuing. Life is too short and (very importantly) these behaviours set an appalling example for the children of the family.

Also, dadowado, I can guarantee there is someone out there for you that you will like and that will fulfill all your (ahem) needs. Believe it yourself and you will be more attractive to men and it WILL happen. :)

hormonalmum · 10/05/2011 13:12

Op - havent read the whole thread, have just skim read but at one point did wonder if you might be my dh (until I saw that you have one child- I have more)
BestNameEever talks alot of sense.

Get some lovely wine and enjoy (both the wine and each other)

SeeSawSee · 10/05/2011 14:02

worldgonecrazy

Yes, pretty traumatic. Spinal block/forceps/stitches (3rd degree). Nothing untoward with DC, but not exactly straightforward either.

I've probably just assumed that if DW was worried about that, she'd tell me - maybe I've been presumptuous (or maybe she hasn't fully explored her own feelings/concerns). I might gently enquire.

hormonalmum

Thanks for the advice. Wine is a fiddly one, given that DW (quite fairly) won't drink too much in case DC needs her in the night, and a glass or two sends her straight to the land of zzz's.

Do they do wine laced with caffeine? I might have spotted a gap in the market here...

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Insomnia11 · 10/05/2011 17:48

Yes, a few glasses of wine used to get me in the mood but now two glasses (or on a bad night, one) and I'm out for the count.

SeeSawSee · 10/05/2011 18:10

Insomnia11

Is your username deliberately ironic then Wink

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