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Temper flares

54 replies

Navani · 11/04/2011 14:49

Name changed to protect the guilty.

My husband has some temper issues. He has always had them, since he was a child, and I am guessing they stem from his upbringing (badly tempered, sometimes violent father, submissive mother - DH is first child and always took the rap for everything his 4 younger siblings did, just because he was the eldest. it was either his fault for not keeping them in line, or it was his fault because the others wouldn't have possibly done that..)
When he gets angry or upset he starts getting loud, and loses control pretty easily. It's a lot like a toddler tantrum, actually, only involving adult language and force. A lot of stuff gets broken, the language is bad.
When he's in full swing, there is no stopping him, unless I want the noise and language aimed at me. I used to try, but gave up when I realised that I couldn't possibly stay calm when he called me a fucking bitch for asking him to calm down or even agreeing with him.
about 3 years after we got married, I couldn't take his tempers anymore, and we started drifting apart. His tempers got worse, and he became violent towards me. I told him he needed to get help, and if he didn't, or ever touched me again, I would be gone, back abroad where my parents live.
He had CBT, and went on Citalopram and Diazepam. Things improved, he got a little better at controlling his temper and anxiety, and we patched things up. nothing ever stopped, even on the meds, but it seemed easier to handle.
He never touched me again.
I became pregnant about a year after, and DS was born 2 years ago.

We moved to a different part of the country, and he stopped his CBT, then stopped the meds. Temper and anxiety came back.
Not as bad as before, but things still get broken, and the language is still terrible.
These outbursts happen a couple of times a week, more often when he is stressed. They can last from a couple of minutes to a few hours and involve him completely breaking down and crying hysterically by the end if they are long and bad ones. He knows they make him act like a prick, and he has apologised more often than I can count. I don't even want to hear it anymore, because I can't say "It's ok.". it isn't.
When he's in the middle of one of these, there is no getting through to him, nothing goes into his head, and when we've talked about it, he says it's like a red mist, or a black wall in front of his eyes, and anything at all will just make things worse.

He says he doesn't want to act like that in front of DS, but he has, a couple of times. If I can see that happening, I take DS out of the room, but it's just not good enough.

When he is not having one of these moments, he is the most wonderful husband and father, he works hard, and loves his family. DS adores him. I love him, but being heavily pregnant with DC2, I am finding this more and more stressful. I have explained this to him.
He doesn't want to try CBT or meds again because he says they didn't really work that well, and that the way the tempers escalated years ago was because of unrelated stress with his family, and that that got better because the stress improved. Also, where we live, everyone knows everyone else and their business, and he is ashamed, saying that everyone would know if he went to see the counsellor here. (and yes, they probably would.)

I don't know what to do anymore. I won't leave him, I've stuck with him through 7 years of marriage, and he is not a bad guy. He just needs help. But I don't know where from or how.

OP posts:
BertieBotts · 14/04/2011 20:22

My DP is lovely, all of the things you describe in your post where you list your DH's good points. But, if he ever held me up against a wall by my hair in front of my son I would leave him. In fact if he did it not in front of my son, I would. I would be gutted. I would be unsure if I'd ever find anyone like him ever again. But I would still end it, because he wouldn't be the person I thought he was any more. One of the things I love about him is the feeling of being safe, knowing he would rather die than hurt me, however angry he got.

I hope this doesn't come across as smug or "Ooh look at me with my wonderful bf" - I've been in an abusive relationship. I know how easy it is to think that the stereotypes of abusive men don't apply to yours and if he would just get help everything will be fine, and my ex was much worse than yours sounds (in other areas - the temper was less bad)

But
In normal relationships people don't hold each other up against walls
In normal relationships violence is an instant dealbreaker, no matter how good the rest of it is. The violent partner moves out. Then they get help, if it was a one off, and they mean it. Or they are gone for good.
Someone who loved you that much would be mortified and so, so upset that he had hurt or frightened you, when he calmed down. Even if he found it hard or embarrassing or expensive or inconvenient to get help he would want to try anything, because the alternative is ending the relationship. If he tried a treatment which worked he would NOT stop it. Why would you do that??

He wants to fix it on his own, great. He still needs to move out while he's doing that, because being exposed to violence 2-3 times a year is not an acceptable environment for a small child to be in. If he cares about both of you he will understand this, he will feel awful, but perhaps that will motivate him.

Good luck.

LittleHouseByTheRiver · 14/04/2011 21:08

Timehealsall
Gosh you ask some searching questions.

since you started working to change has your temper flared with anyone close to you?
Yes one of my DC is able to press the buttons that make me upset and defensive. I have learned when this happens just to leave the room and get away (usually sobbing) and calm down before going back to deal with her. I am not angry just hurt.
Sometimes me Ex does it too and I minimise the time I spend with him. Friends are no problem and my other DC don't act in the same way so no problem there.

Have you cut yourself off completely from family and close friends in case it does?
haven't needed to, but I have realised that I am vulnerable when I am hungry and tired and feeling put upon so often go home for supper and a rest by myself when I am exhausted. A flash point was often when I got in from work exhausted and everybody wanted a piece of me and no-one had started supper "we were waiting for you!" (like none of them could cook) and then I felt guilty for not being home sooner!

Living by myself has been a revelation. I am happy and calm and able to think positively. It feels very self indulgent but I was not coping with family life very well although I didn't admit that to myself. I am a better parent to my DC part time than the shouty cross mother they had before.

were you and your ex not well matched anyway?
We were equals to start with but I was squashed into a box that said "wife and mother" while his career took off. I resented that and wasn't particularly good at it but thought I should be. Now I am out of the box I have expanded to the size and shape I feel suits me and there is no going back.

What an interesting topic! I hope it has been useful to others. Angry people are often just hurting and don't know how to communicate their pain until it is so great it spills out in rage. Childhood issues programme us with guilt and expectation which stops us functioning rationally. It is possible to change if you want to but it isn't easy and like an alcoholic you have to go one day at a time!

PlopPlopPing · 14/04/2011 21:18

timehealsall Just wanted to say well done for what you have achieved.

timehealsall · 15/04/2011 00:44

PlopPlopPing - thanks, that is lovely thing to say,.I look back at the last 2 years and overall I am happy with how I've moved forward and what I've done. But I also think that a horrible life change can often bring out the best - when people are against the odds most times they seem to prevail. So right now I'm more interested in what happens next now life is back on a more even keel.

LittleHouse - hope the questions weren't too bad! Honest replys. For what it's worth:

  1. I think DCs will always have the ability to really wound areas when they want to (I know I did with my parents) - and that's a totally different thing to partners doing the same. Good for you for knowing when to get out and calm down and I bet DC doesn't feel too great that they've made you feel so bad deep down (I never did).
  1. Ex's I think will know what buttons to press for quite a while when they want to. My ex does and so do I. Business like communication is way forward for us for immediate future. And then best guess is over time, with totally new lives lived for years, the buttons will change and become historical and the communication will improve.
  1. Interesting about the career and boxes. It's a very personal opinion I admit but I think sometimes relationships between intelligent equals can get over competitive - assumption being that some competition can be healthy, but too much can lead to resentment. If you're out of that enviornment now that's brilliant, it's draining and not really what a partnership should be about. Sounds like you already know, but be yourself and aim for what you want - a good partner will support that whether they're miles ahead or behind in their career / finance / life.

And I guess trying to get the topic back to OP (!) - basically your DH is clearly crossing lines of abuse and actually quite badly - up against the wall by hair is very bad. As everyone else says don't make excuses for this it is very wrong. But maybe as not so many have said - making excuses for him (e.g. "it's just childish") gives him excuses not to realise what's happening is very wrong. That will back fire on both of you in the end because you'll have to leave him and he'll hate himself for losing you and splitting up your family.

I think it might be beneficial to try and find a way to show him how wrong this behaviour is (easier said than done) - books, internet print outs of list of abusive behaviours, talk, whatever might work - but he has to see it and know that why he's seeing it is because you don't want it to lead to the destruction of what you've built together and right now you still love him.

My question would be if you showed him a video of how he behaved when he was wound up and crossing those lines how would he feel about himself and would he excuse it by saying he was just being childish?

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