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The aftermath of my affair - please help.

41 replies

andwhatnow · 10/04/2011 09:47

I have made a major cock up in my life and am at a profound loss of what to do and how to sort it. I have been with dh for 16 years, we have a son aged 10 and daughter aged 13. We met when I was 20 (he is a couple of years older). Until recently, I imagine that people looking in thought we had it all. We both have decent jobs that we work hard at. I have a fantastic family and circle of friends. We have a nice house and are lucky to have enough money to pursue some hobbies. Our relationship on the whole, has been built on a foundation of friendship. We are very different people in some respects, such as in our political views and outlook on the world; at times this has caused arguments ? but in other ways it has worked, as dh is very calm and laid back which almost compliments my madness! Dh has always been very much devoted to me (sounds sad I know) and very demonstrative in his feelings and very sure of his feelings for the whole time we?ve been together. I am naturally, a closed person, who finds it hard to trust and who grew to love dh over time.

About three years ago, things started going awry. I know with hindsight, it is easy to look back and hear the alarm bells, whereas at the time, you do not realise the significance of them. We ended up moving (not that far from where we originally were) for dh?s job. We had massive disagreements over the type of house we wanted and it was very stressful because we needed to move quickly. I have suffered two major bereavements ? a good friend and a parent, who both died prematurely. My job, although I enjoy it immensely, has become more stressful, higher workload etc. A step parent has been ill emotionally and needed lots of support. I suffered some depression after the bereavements, which I think might be lingering. For about 18 months life has been an uphill struggle emotionally for months. Okay, we?re okay financially, but that?s not everything is it? Looking back, I can see that dh and I were growing apart. I know that?s such a cliché but its true. I feel that dh was trying to support me emotionally, but for whatever reason, I was still struggling. I began questioning our relationship and realised I was changing very much as a person.

I know what you are all going to say, but onto the scene steps an old friend. Someone I had known years ago from college. We had clicked years ago, and he had recently separated from his partner. We chatted, exchanged numbers (at the time, I had no romantic feelings). I?m not going to go into the sordid details of everything else, but over a period of a couple of months, things went further. I stopped it, he got a job overseas for a few months. Dh suspected things. Gradually, I have told dh what happened. He has reacted reasonably well, although is obviously gutted. The other man returned last November. We don?t have contact, although I see him occasionally out and about. Dh feels that he cannot trust me, but wants it to work. I want to want it to work if that makes sense. But a part of me, feels that I do not want it enough. I don?t envisage myself with the other person. I don?t see the world through rose tinted glasses, and think that so much hurt is already behind us, that it would be unlikely to work. The grass isn?t greener and all that.

I feel awful about everything, but cannot get this love back for dh. I love him as a friend, and as my son?s fantastic father. I want to love him like before. I feel that I?m in such a state ? I don?t even know who I am anymore ? that I?m not in a position to sort this. And that?s crazy, considering I caused it all. My gut feeling is to be on my own, but we obviously have our children to consider. I have offered to move out and think I would if it weren?t for the children. And this would just be like running away wouldn?t it. I hate the fact that I got on so well with the other person. I hate the fact that I?ve been weak and that I can?t feel what I should for dh. I have thought and thought about what happened before I became attracted to the other man, and know that dh and I were having problems. But why couldn?t I speak to dh instead of doing what I did? I have had counselling for a while. The counsellor so far, has said that the crux of it now, is to do what I feel I need to do (!) , to not feel that I should stay with dh if I really don?t want to. But we were such good friends. I know in some ways, that the decision might already be made. I don?t think dh will ever trust me and it doesn?t help that he obviously knows the other man, and could bump into him.
I know I have made this mess and hate myself for it. How on earth do I sort it all out?

OP posts:
cabbageroses · 10/04/2011 10:10

I think you should stop being so hard on yourself.

You had an unsatisfactory marriage, lots of ups and downs but you gave it your best shot. Then along comes the OM who offered some respite. It was a very brief affair and you stopped it.

Why are you continuing to beat yourself up? You are human and we all make mistakes.

You acknowledge you did wrong. Is that not enough?

If you have not really been happy for years I think you have to ask yourself why you are suddenly thining of ending your marriage now. What's changed? Is it that the OM gave you a taste of what you could have- though not necessarily with him?

You said you want to love your DH like before- but before what? It sounds as if you never really did- except as a friend.

andwhatnow · 10/04/2011 10:15

Yes cabbage roses, I think thats what makes it even worse. The counsellor did touch upon this and asked me lots of questions about my 'love' for my dh. But admitting it, is like our whole relationship has been based on something its not.

OP posts:
cabbageroses · 10/04/2011 10:55

I do feel for you.

Maybe you have to look at this in 2 ways:

Deciding what you want now- from today, withut dwelling on the past.
Coming to terms with the fact that whatever you did have was not good enough for you.

I know the 2 are inter-connected, but there will be a time to grieve for the loss of the marriage- and a time to set yourself free.

Maybe you have to set yourself free first.

I think the first step should be to forgive yourself for the affair. These things happen. It's not the end of the world. You were acting on your emotions. Now that affair is over you still need to listen to your heart and act.

I think a lot of your problems are coming from the fact that you are denying certain emotions . if you start accepting them and moving with them, then that might be the answer.

On the other hand-playing devil's advocate- lots of marriages are inthe doldrums after a few years- the fizz goes and all that is left is friendship/companionship. if you enjoy each other's company and want to maintain the status quo for the kids- is that not enough for you?

garlicbutter · 10/04/2011 12:56

It sounds like you've been through a very long period of stress, depression and grief - you're probably still recovering. Having to support others while in need of support yourself must have worn you out. I'm not surprised you were vulnerable to an affair; you clearly did the right thing quickly. And where does that leave you?

Well, you've got a damaged marriage, as all marriages would be after this sequence of events. And you've got what sounds like a rather bleak emotional outlook. There is more to life than duty, you know.

When you say you're a closed type of person, were you the same with OM? I'm wondering whether you are 'closed' or it's more a matter of not feeling very open towards DH. The way you describe growing to love him - over a period of years - sounds like Plato's agape love, which is an essential factor in marriage but dissatisfying without a bit of eros as well.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_words_for_love

With your counsellor, could you work through some potential futures, to help you work out what you really do want and what genuinely makes you happy? When do you feel joy? How can you envisage increasing the pleasure in your life? It sounds a little bit short at the moment.

cabbageroses · 10/04/2011 13:22

would it help to look back and think about why you married Dh in the first place?

were you "in love" then?

was it an illusion?
what's changed?

doing the maths, you are still very young- mid tolate 30s.

How do you feel about another 50 years with DH?

Could you choose to love him? Not in a passionate way but affectionately.

andwhatnow · 10/04/2011 14:22

thank you cabbageroses and garlicbutter. garlicbutter, you are right about the type of love I feel at the moment for dh, the 'eros' comes and gos. You are also right that I need to explore so many things with a counsellor, it just feels like such a mountain to climb at the moment. I feel very numb to everything, and, although this sounds awful, actually feel very detached from dh, even when he tells me how hurt he is feeling. (He has actually, been very good, sensitive etc,) but obviously sometimes, his hurt has to come out.

When do I feel joy? Wow, thats deep! I have a very close circle of friends, male and female. I feel joy when I am with them sometimes sharing a joke etc. However, I think due to everything over the past few months, its difficult to pinpoint.

cabbageroses - I am in my midthirties. I can't honestly think about the next 50 years. I just don't think my head is in the right place to contemplate it either way. I know what you mean about choosing to love him - I have read that love is an action, I know I need to make the effort, it should come from me. Its just like I have nothing to give at the moment. I'm stuck. I know we have so much going for us - he is such a good man, loving, a good father, and he absolutely believes in me 100 percent, believes in what I do and what I can become. He has supported me hugely during my career, he has never doubted me (up until now for obvious reasons). Its like he always loved me more than I love myself! We get on so well in many ways. I know I am young, but, lets say we did split and I went on to meet someone else. Whose to say I'd be saying the same thing in my mid forties? Is the problem with me?

I have also thought about my attraction to the other man, who in many ways is very, very different to dh. It grew from emotional and intellectual connections into a physical attraction. It grew from talking in depth about all sorts of things, about life, death etc. It was like we finished each other's sentences - so corny I know, I am not a corny person normally - but it was just so , so easy. Scarily easy. Its like I'm normally so in control of everything, and wham! it hit me like a ton of bricks.

Rationally though, I'm sure there are many things that dh gives me, that this other man wouldn't. But it comes back to the problem of MY feelings for dh doesn't it? Shouldn't I feel for him what he feels for me? And why don't I? some women would give their right arm for a man like him.

OP posts:
cabbageroses · 10/04/2011 15:06

There is no easy answer. The main question is- if your DH can forgive you- and it sounds as if he can- will he be enough?

Maybe what you should ask yourself is- if you and DH split, would you be happy to be on your own- possibly forever? Not likely at your age, as you have masses of time, but what if?

Or would you be happy to settle for what you have now?

Or will you always be looking for what you had with the OM?

I think you have been through so much- the bereavements, the affair, that it's not a good time for you to call time on your marriage just now.

Your emotions are all over the place.

Can you put making a decision to one side for a few months and just go with the flow?

I am going to PM you with other thoughts.

headinamess · 10/04/2011 18:57

Have PM'd you, OP.

Smum99 · 10/04/2011 20:33

Found this interesting as there are many open threads from mostly women who are coping with a partner who has had an affair. Often the questions are 1. Why did he have an affair 2. Can the marriage be saved?

Andwhatnow, might be useful for you to review some of these threads, it could help you relate to how your H is feeling. Also it will highlight why it's important for you to clarify your feelings asap as it will help your H to rebuild his life.

bbird1 · 11/04/2011 01:23

from a bloke's perspective:

  • to kind of (in a long winded way) blame your affair on various deaths etc is a kop out. you had an affair because you were bored, just like everybody else does
  • you've probably lost all respect for him for not having the balls to boot you out after having had the affair. he is an idiot for being such a doormat
  • i just dont see what counselling is bringing to the party here - do you need a third party to tell you if you love this guy?
  • im drunk after staying up to watch the Masters
cabbageroses · 11/04/2011 08:33

what a shallow, Daily Mail reaction bbird. not really helpful at all is it?

Alouiseg · 11/04/2011 08:48

Apparently when we create a romantic connection with someone new it "melts" the connection we have with the existing partner. It's hormones that do this to us. I've seen friends go through this and if I'm blunt I havnt seen it end well. Once you fall for someone else it seems to be impossible to recreate that spark with the original partner.

If you're the type of person that can put your emotional needs second to those of your husband and children then you should be able to move forward. Can you envisage the future with your husband? Do you still feel that you want to get old together with him or does that fill you with dread?

Sorry if this is a bit rambling and of no practical use, I hope you manage to find your way, either back or out as you see fit.

andwhatnow · 11/04/2011 11:39

Smumm, I have read some of those threads and they are heartbreaking. I know I need to DO something, either make a firm decision to stay or go, or go to counselling with the aim of staying or whatever.............. but I feel so numb and drained.

I know I must sound like the most selfish cow in the world and I apologise for that but god, its hard (although I know not as hard as it is for my poor dh).

Alouiseg - do you honestly think that you can't get it back with the original partner? I have thought about this, and must admit that at the moment it seems nigh on impossible. I have thought about the future and can't see it at all at the moment, either with or without dh. Thank you for your thoughts.

Have pm'd you cabbageroses and headinamess. x

OP posts:
garlicbutter · 11/04/2011 13:06

I agree with bbird's first point - not everyone reacts to depression/grief by having an affair. But I don't get the impression you're trying not to take responsibility, OP, rather the opposite! Obviously I believe counselling can be - and usually is - a great help in sorting one's head out; a counsellor is a trained listener, after all.

I still feel concerned about what you want to 'get back'. Going by what you've written, you seem to have had a lukewarm kind of love for yourhusband at the best of times. It's tempting to suggest he deserves the freedom to look for another partner, whose style of loving is more like his own - and you to explore new relationships where you feel as relaxed as you do with your friends and did with the OM.

Those are big decisions, though. Surely it's worth going back to counselling, both on your own and as a couple?

bbird1 · 11/04/2011 13:47

cabbageroses - sorry you feel that way, just feeling bit sorry for this bloke, being messed around while this lady struggles to come to terms with the fact that she had an affair. Not sure why she told him anyway, apart from to ease the guilt on her part. Seems a bit unfair to me.
btw - how do you use the smileys list anyone?

Alouiseg · 11/04/2011 14:38

No! I'm not saying that you can't get back with the original partner! I do think your acceptance levels have to adjust a bit though. From the people I have seen in this situation, the ones that have made it work did separate, albeit temporarily. But I bet that many more stayed together and worked it out, we don't always hear about all of them though, we never truly know what goes on behind closed doors.

expatinscotland · 11/04/2011 14:44

How is bbird's post not helpful? He's giving his perspective as a man. So it doesn't tie in with everyone else's making excuses for this person's emotional state? That's what this forum is about - it's open for a reason.

If this were a woman posting on here that her partner/husband had done and said exactly what this OP is saying, the reaction would be totally different from most posters (not me, I don't see cheating as a something different based on gender).

cabbageroses · 11/04/2011 14:44

bbird you should feel sorry for both of them!

People with kids do not necessarily adopt the knee jerk reaction of "kick 'em out" at the first dalliance.

has it ever occured to you that the OP's H might still love her and want her to stay?

You have a very simplistic take on life.

expatinscotland · 11/04/2011 14:46

'bbird you should feel sorry for both of them!'

Who on Earth has the right to dictate what someone should feel?!

expatinscotland · 11/04/2011 14:49

If this were a woman saying, 'My partner cheated on me and now he's dithering about whether or not he loves me enough to stay,' people would be saying he's emotionally manipulative, cruel and possibly even abusive.

But somehow because it's a woman it's okay?

cabbageroses · 11/04/2011 14:49

what a totally weird post expat.

MN is absolutely chock a block of people telling everyone how they ought to behave and feel!

or have you not noticed?

expatinscotland · 11/04/2011 14:50

That's your opinions, cabbage. Bbird is entirely entitled to his, too, and to express it here.

cabbageroses · 11/04/2011 14:51

If this were a woman saying, 'My partner cheated on me and now he's dithering about whether or not he loves me enough to stay,' people would be saying he's emotionally manipulative, cruel and possibly even abusive.

well, people might be- but who says that is the right attitude.

FGS- I despair at the narrow mindedness of some psots here.

The usual MN scenario goes like this:

My DH/DW had an affair. I am not sure what to do next. we have kids.

MN reaction: KICK 'EM OUT. next please.

cabbageroses · 11/04/2011 14:52

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expatinscotland · 11/04/2011 14:56

Cabbage, that's your opinion. I feel differently. I disagree, so you get personal and increasingly aggressive.

You have no right to tell me to buzz off, either, so I won't. It's actually against the talk policy here. I've had more and more peoples' posts deleted for stuff like this recently.

The MN reaction is varied when it comes to affairs, with seasoned posters like WWIFN, whose marriage survived an affair, and others, usually advising that the cheating partner should move out, at least temporarily, whilst both undergo counselling alone and together to determine IF things can work out.