Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Relationships

Mumsnet has not checked the qualifications of anyone posting here. If you need help urgently or expert advice, please see our domestic violence webguide and/or relationships webguide. Many Mumsnetters experiencing domestic abuse have found this thread helpful: Listen up, everybody

I'm all mixed up & confused & don't know what to do.

63 replies

eroded · 25/03/2011 13:31

Name changer here.
I don't know what to do about my marrage. I don't know where it went wrong.
To the outside world we look like a happy set up.
He is very controlling. I don't know when it started or when I began to be controlled.
He is very clever, very articulate.
Everything is my fault. He has a bad back. He's seeing a chiropracter. But he's still able to ride his bike & play football. His back is still bad though as he has to sleep on his side as he snores on his back. I have offered to sleep on the sofa but he won't have any of it.
He is Very Controlling with money. I am a sahm. If I did work, I'd be paying my wages in childcare. He earns a huge salary & has just had a bonus & payrise. I haven't seen any rise in the money going into the joint account in years & won't see any of the bonus money.
He does what he wants to do, whenever he wants to do it.
Due to the nature of his job, the hours & the travelling, I can't arrange to do anything as I don't know if he'll be around & I don't have anyone to babysit.
Even on the odd occasion I do go out (nothing exciting, just to a friends house of an evening) he tells me he hates it & wishes I was staying in with him. He sometimes says I'm abandoning them all!
He turns so much around on me.
He's so clever, I can't argue back with him.
I have no money to leave & nowhere to go in anycase.
Plus, I couldn't do anything rash for the sakes of the children. He is a good father.
I don't know why he has such little regard for me. He complains if I don't do something, like choose a holiday destination. But if I do something, make a decision, he poo-poos it.
I am scared of him.
On the odd occasion I have managed to say anything, he just says everyone hates him.
Very occasionally he has said to me if I ever left he'd leave me with no money.
I am so worn away & depressed. I just exist. I don't live.
Thank you for reading.

OP posts:
CarGirl · 26/03/2011 20:14

I hope you have the courage to leave. Get all the documentation you need together and leave via a refuge - you will get help to get rehoused whilst the financials are sorted out.

In the meantime can you use the cost of living increases to justify an increase in housekeeping?

How old are your dc? If they are all at school could you look for work to fit in with that? Even if it's cleaning or something?

LittleMissHissyFit · 26/03/2011 21:10

eroded, of course you are unsettled by it all. It IS a horrible decision to come to, but is the right one.

Try and take yourself out as much as possible, get some rescue remedy if you can, it'll help steady your nerves.

Call WA whenever you need to talk to anyone, it doesn't show on the bill, and they will also help you prepare for leaving day, telling you what to pack etc.

In your own time, you can do this, we're all here for you, let us know if you need anything?

eroded · 29/03/2011 10:36

He came back & everything was "fine". Like nothing had happened.
He's been really "nice".
I probably shit him up as I didn't disagree when he mentioned the Divorce word.
He has issues with money.
Yesterday he said he's been thinking about the bonus he got. He said he'd got it through his hard work but he appreciated that he also got it through my support. So he was going to give me some.
He said the amount but then reduced it by 40% tax & 1% NI. Now I can see his point, he pays tax & NI but...WTF?! The he said well I was going to give you {lower amount}. But the amount he will now give me isn't much more as I've been taxed!
Maybe I should just be grateful I'm getting something eh.
We've been looking for a cottage for a holiday in August. It will be expensive. All of a sudden we can't afford to go. Why? His mother has said we can use her caravan for free. I HATE caravans & he knows this. I don't really like holidays full stop. But I'm not staying in a caravan. I don't give a shit really if we don't go on holiday. They're not relaxing for me.
I talked to my sister about him yesterday. He makes me so ashamed. He's bragged to my family about how much money he's got. I didn't know he'd said stuff to them. Noone in my family is well off. I'm so ashamed of him.
Also my sister poited out, what on earth is he saving for. My sis says, she has £3000 saved. She's renting & if she needed to move cos of landlord messing about or something, she has money there for moving.
My DH has so much money saved. I mean, he could be out of work for at least 2 years with no worries.
So my sis says, why can't we have some enjoyment sometimes. Not waste money. I'm not like that anyway. But, you know, family days out.
We never go out as a family. He used to go to football matches every weekend. So he compramised. He doesn't go to his expensive team anymore, so much. He goes to a local non league team instead. So he still goes to a match most saturdays.
And he refs on a Sunday morning.
That was his compromise.
I could go on...and on....and on...

Oh, he's being nice atm. So now I feel like a shit for saying all of this. Blush

OP posts:
manicbmc · 29/03/2011 10:52

(((Eroded))) I read this in t'other place.

I'll bet you get tongue-tied if ever anything is said and so he turns it all to his advantage and runs verbal rings round you. My ex did this.

Could you write a list of all the things he does? It might help to keep focus iyswim. Did you point out to him that 40% tax is for amounts over £37,000? If he's offering you less than £8,000 there should be no tax and anyway he will already have paid the tax on it so why should he make himself the 'government' and make you pay it? Does he realise just how mean that makes him sound. Also does he realise just how much child support he'd be paying if you split up? I'd be gathering evidence of these earnings just in case because he sounds the type to try and get away with paying less than he should.

He should be nice all the time and I hope you can find a way of pointing this out to him. xx

eroded · 29/03/2011 11:01

manic, you're very correct about getting tongue tied.
His "arguement" is...I get 8% of the bonus, not 8% of what the bonus is, but 8% after he's paid tax iyswim.
But he's got so much bloody money. THAT'S what annoys me.
Oh, it's far less that £8,000!
He did say, did I think it was fair. Now I could have argued my point, but he's evidently spent days thinking about this & will have all argument points already covered.

OP posts:
manicbmc · 29/03/2011 11:27

You could print off what I said about tax bands and tell him to come and argue with me if you like. Grin

But he has paid the tax and so you should get what he offers with more coming off.

I'd be taking the money and show what a great wife you are by squirrelling it away in a savings account. I don't know what you want to do about your situation but you sounded so very down the other day. If you can do it, get a little saved up in case.. xx

manicbmc · 29/03/2011 11:33

*without

G1nger · 29/03/2011 12:06

I'm so sorry for you. I feel especially saddened by your statement: "He's so clever, I can't argue back with him". You don't need to be as "clever" as him to get a point about fairness or how he makes you feel across. But look, he controls you with money (an allowance? For someone of our generation?), with his "intelligence", and in a variety of other ways.

I'm sure he's already given you every argument in the book about why you can never leave him. But do you know what? It's called legal aid: get a solicitor and sue the bastard for your 50% of everything. It's yours. You live in a country where women are empowered in this way by the legal system. If you really want to get out, then get out and get help. Find a solicitor.

manicbmc · 29/03/2011 12:21

And also keep a diary of everything you do - cooking, cleaning, ironing, childcare and then bill the bugger for it. Point out to him that if he wants to treat you like an employee you are entitled to minimum wage, paid holidays and sick pay. And I bet it'd come to a whole lot more than he gives you for your 'allowance'.

Does he want a wife or a PA?

oldwomaninashoe · 29/03/2011 13:24

Eroded, you sound (naturally) very emotional at the moment. Take your time, and write yourself a list of how you want your life to be in an ideal world compare it to how it is now, and realise that somewhere between the two is achievable just by you taking a bit of control.
Take your time and only take action when you feel ready and able to do so or when you realise that you cannot live this way any more.

There are plenty of people out there to support you including your family.

Good Luck xx

bullet234 · 29/03/2011 13:30

Oh dear god, I really don't know where to begin with this but I have to say something Sad. For a start, you know he is not a good father, because relationship modelling aside (and that is a bloody good point) he is also controlling the children financially. Read back through your OP, look again at the part that says you have seen no rise in the money going into the joint account. He's been earning and accumulating more, hasn't he, so where is it? Your children have been growing, which means they will have needed more money for food, more money for clothes and shoes (and don't forget when they get to adult sizes you have to pay VAT on the clothes), let alone any payments for school trips or extra curricular activities. Your utility bills and your phone bills will have gone up, which means you've had less to spend on other stuff. Now, if he was genuinely poor it would be understandable, but he is not passing on the money to help you and the children.
He says he works hard, which is probably true, but who benefits? Look once more at your OP when you say you've not seen a rise in the joint account from the money he's been putting in. Do you want to know what the only question I have to ask my DH when I need some money from him? It's "can I borrow your card" and the only time he refuses is because he needs it physically for himself. That's because he - and other non abusive partners - realise that in a relationship financial control is abhorrent and that if I ask to borrow the cards it's so I can buy food, or nappies, or pay a bill.
You say he's being nice now? Really? So he speaks in a softer tone eh and maybe strokes your hair while he's insisting you can't afford this and you can't afford that. When he begrudgingly hands over some of the money. I can understand him wanting to keep some of it, but you are struggling whilst he is laughing all the way to the bank.
You say that he's clever, but really, I'd be prepared to bet that it's only because he uses long words (believe me I'm an expert at that Grin ) and doesn't let you get a word in edgeways that he wears you down. He's like those politicians you see being interviewed, who don't have a coherent argument but keep saying the same thing over and over without giving the other party time to respond. But you know he's wrong and abusive and reading through what you've put about him, both here and elsewhere, I can easily see he's abusive. As can many others. You are not imagining this.
So let's talk practicals now.

1: Any money you can save, set up a separate account and transfer the money into that. Actually, I presume he's over the threshold for you to have CB abolished soon and tax credits severely reduced or even cancelled. That raises an interesting perspective on those political changes, since it allows the greater financial control of those in your position. So let this be your incentive. Start making plans now. If he asks about the money (I'm presuming as a controller he demands to see statements), then get the money out in cash rather than doing a transfer. Say it's for food shopping, petrol costs, anything.

2: Get all documents together that you need.

3: Speak to the CAB or a free half hour consultation with a solicitor.

4: Keep this thread and read it when you are wavering. He will try every trick in the book with you, especially when he realises something is up (which is why he's being nice now). He will then claim he will take the children away from you. He can't do this. In fact, him ensuring you struggle financially to provide for your children will go against him.

5: You will not be doing anything rash. He can still see the children. But he does not have the right to control you in this way.

mitziw · 29/03/2011 13:45

this is awful! its like you are an employee.

aliceliddell · 29/03/2011 14:06

Please get some legal advice :Rights of Women will help you 0207 251 6577. You may need to call a few times to get a reply as they're short staffed. Be careful to get good advice; my friend got a crap lawyer who stitched her up. Stick with advice from ROW and Women's Aid, they will support you. So will we! If you feel insecure, it's because of the situation. You will get through this. Good luck!

aliceliddell · 29/03/2011 14:08

Sorry, that read like I was totally disagreeing with other posters. CAB are good too, but make sure you are getting your RIGHTS enforced.

eroded · 31/03/2011 13:01

Thank you for all your replies.
Sorry if it seems like I'm on here moaning atm.
It's hard & I can't just up & leave.
I've no idea if I'm just picking holes so I'll let you judge.
He asked me to buy him razors yesterday. So I did. He didn't thank me. He just said, oh you only bought 1 pack.
He said the back door wasn't locked the night before. He came to bed later than me. I said I wasn't aware that I'd left it unlocked before but would check in future. He said I had left it unlocked before but he's never said anything. And that I give the cat her biscuits so I should lock the door.

Another thing he does that drives me mad. If I'm somewhere he wants to be, for instance by the mugs cupboard. He doesn't say excuse me or wait till I'm out of the way. He infers I'm in the way or stands with an aggressive stance. I've told him so many times that I live here & so sometimes I may well be where he wants to be!

It does seem like I'm picking him to bits, but my eyes have been opened recently & I can't believe how much shit I am putting up with.

He is being nice atm/ But also pointing it out. Was making kids lunchboxes last night & he needed the mug cupboard. So he asked me to get him a mug out. He said this was so he didn't have to get me out of the way.

If he's nice, he seems to point it out. He is making a big deal as he's going to take the children to town on sat to buy mothers day stuff.

Moan, moan, whinge whinge eh!

Thanks for reading.

OP posts:
Roseflower · 31/03/2011 15:05

He sounds scarily like someone I know...

I am pretty sure the man had a Narcisstic personality disorder. Please google it could really help.

This person I know had a very high powered job, and as the more power and money they got, the worse it was.

It hard to say to outsiders why this person makes you misreable but it's hundrends of tiny,soul destroying things... and they think if they provide money its literally all that matters. The concept of emotional support, love and friendship esacapes them.

waterrat · 31/03/2011 15:10

Op, call women's aid and talk to them - they can help you prepare for leaving and for where to go when you do leave. You say 'I cant leave because of the children' - your children need a happy mother - he is not a good dad if he makes you feel like this, controls you, controls the money.

Dont be afraid to call Womens Aid, they won't judge you or make you do anything. Is there a friend you trust? could you call them from your friends house?

While you prepare, stay quiet and calm, dont let him see anything is different.

He will have to support you and the state will also take care of you - do you have family? As another poster says, you will get custody - not him. So don't worry about that.

Deliainthemaking · 31/03/2011 15:13

hugs OP

he seems to be having a huge powertrip, but deeply insecure at the same time

the posters have but good advice

positivesteps · 31/03/2011 16:40

Hmmm its a difficult one. . Does the money he give you not cover everything eg food, clothes. Bits of things. ?

Does he pay all bills, mortgage etc ?

As for the money after everything is paid. I agree that if you can save you should save if you have some left but at the same time enjoy yourself a bit and not be so tight that you can't enjoy treats in life and use some for this not save all of it.

manicbmc · 31/03/2011 17:25

Still reading, Eroded. My ex used to make a huge point about when he was back early from the pub or expect a round of applause if he did anything kid/house related.

Your husband should be nice all the time. It shouldn't be like a chore.

It took a long time for me to realise it wasn't how things should be and that a good relationship was about sharing bad times, helping each other and having respect and love for your partner. xx

CarGirl · 31/03/2011 19:31

I am so Sad reading this, a normal relationship is when one of you occasionally has a bad day. The other persons brings it up and the one who's been grumpy apologises sincerely for being an idiot.

If you are at home doing everything then he should be paying you a nanny and housekeepers salary and then splitting the bills in half!

G1nger · 31/03/2011 19:40

Can you tell him that you're going to look into getting a job again (I'm not sure how young your child is/children are) as you want your financial independence? or are there any hours in which you could get a bit of work, to earn a bit of money, so that you could start squirreling money away that way?

Jux · 31/03/2011 20:18

Pull the rug out from under him. Find a job and then tell him.

eroded · 01/04/2011 13:55

Thank you for your replies.
I feel so depressed today.
I think the enormity of the situation has hit me.
I don't want to be with him. I feel like I am living a lie.
I can't just up & leave. And the kids will be devestated. Oddly enough, so will he.

OP posts:
G1nger · 01/04/2011 13:58

Would the kids be devastated? or would they understand that their mother isn't happy? Staying together for the sake of the children is vastly over-rated. As regards not being able to just up and leave, you need to get yourself a plan. And a solicitor.