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*V.LONG* How do I make him understand I need ACTIONS not just the WORD sorry?!

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Candysgirl · 19/02/2011 13:13

I'm28, my boyfriends 35,and im 39 wks pregnant today. Things haven't been easy for us, we've only been together 18 months and the baby wasn't planned, but we're both happy about the prospect. On one hand BF is great. He's a sweet, genuine, kindhearted "good" man. He doesn't have a bad bone in his body, he loves me and our baby more than anything, and he tells me all the time. He's come to the baby classes I've asked him to attend, and really tried to take stuff in.(he even managed the baby show!)
However, he has bipolar disorder, and a year ago he attempted suicide. This condition has never been an issue for me in isolation. It's something we have to simply factor in to every day life, he is going to have black days, and he's going to find somethings hard. I've always accepted it, never punished him for it, and always tried to help him.
Thing is, because of the BP, he doesn't experience "guilt" or "empathy"
He's trying his best to be supportive through this pregnancy, we live on his (slightly ramshackle) narrowboat together, and as I am/was a student, live on his wage and my savings. We can manage currently, but we need to move, and therefore should be saving funds and looking for a new job for him etc (we have to relocate out of the city-too expensive)
Problem is, there are a few things I have asked of him since I got pregnant, I've had to give up my studies, alcohol, all my favourite foods, my mobility and independence etc, and have done it willingly, all I asked him to do is give up smoking, cut down on the beer, come home from work so I'm not stuck here alone from 7am to 9pm gone every day, and make an effort to find a new job/move things forward for when the baby is born.
He's knows he NEEDS to do these things, but he hasn't/can't. He still smokes (although only outside and if we're walking together he'll keep it away from me, and apologise if I cough) he still drinks too much. (I don't mind a couple of pints, it's ale and generally between 3.5 and 5% vol, but he generally has an average of 5 pints A NIGHT. Most nights IE: 6 out of 7. )
He CANNOT come straight home from work...he finishes at around 6, but never getshome before 8.45 (it is a 50 min commute..) but he HAS to go into the bar where he works for "one" (2-3 in reality) before he leaves, and then if there's time before his train (10 mins) he'll have another one at the station. I've BEGGED him to come straight home sometimes, even made him promise, and he still goes for "one" and turns up an hour late.
Thing is, he knows he's done/doing wrong...he won't txt me to say he's going to be late, I have to chase him up, and when he does get home, he hangs his head and says "sorry" and "I know I'm a rubbish person" but nothing CHANGES.
this is where I need the advice.
Nothing changes, because although he says sorry, he doesn't experience GUILT. Because of the Bp, he doesn't have that capacity, whatsmaking him "feel bad" is an internalized "I'm doing things that upset her, that makes me a bad person" so he just punishes himself rather than being moved to change.
I don't know how to deal with this, and when he gets upset I always comfort him instead of getting angrier, (partly because I know he doesn't mean to do things to upset me, and partly because I'm frightened he might lose it again and go jump in the canal)
OK, some things I can tolerate, I'm hoping he'll stop smoking finally when the baby is born, or at least I know I can police him being around the baby when he's been out for one... The drinking is a bit more frustrating. I don't think he's an alcoholic, I think it's just habit, and he's rarely off his face, and never gets angry or abusive (sometimes a little maudlin) it just COSTS so much.(as do the fags) the not coming home bothers me most because I need to know I can rely on him,and he's not helping that right now.
Also, the straw that broke the camels back today?
I asked him MONTHS ago to make sure he had booked my due date off work, because although first babies are generally late, I didn't want to spend the day fretting/waiting alone. He promised me he had, now with a week to go he isn't sure, and can't remember us talking about him taking the day off. So he has to work coz there's no cover for Saturdays.
I know it seems all trivial, but with housing and financial issues being v.bad right now (don't get me started) it's all a bit much and I'm wondering if I've walked into a situation with a guy who will love his baby but forever be a liability?! How do I get him to see he needs to "man up" and DO something rather than just keep apologising, without pushing him so far into his own self-hatred again at being a "bad father/boyfriend" he tries to kill himself again???

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Galdem · 20/02/2011 14:01

Only read the OP.

He sounds like a 'manchild' who cannot take responsibility for his actions (since when was this a symptom of Bi-Polar?[hmm?]).

Honestly? Honestly, honestly? I would get the hell out of there now and set up a decent, orderly life for yourself and your baby. He may well turn out to be a great, loving dad, but he does not sound like someone capable of having an equal and fulfilling adult relationship.

If you stay in a relationship with him I predict major resentment on your behalf years down the line, when you realise you have not one but two 'children' to look after and have pissed away the est years of your life on this joker.

smokytimswhore · 20/02/2011 16:26

just as i suspected when i read the the posts on this thread - 90% of you don't actually process what has being written but rather jump to the most bizarre and unrelated conclusions. i expect that most posters have terrific, perfect lives - only, why are you on here?
most of you should post with health warnings

AttilaTheMeerkat · 20/02/2011 16:33

And your advice is what exactly?. To put up with him and lay off him a bit?.

Self medicating with alcohol will not solve anything but will only bring a heap more. The OP is in a real bind now with her manchild and will also very soon have a baby to care for.

ImFab · 20/02/2011 16:36

BP means you have highs and lows, not that you don't experience guilt.

PeterAndreForPM · 20/02/2011 16:41

Whatever, smoky

Funnily enough most of us would not advise a young girl with the rest of her life before her, and a young child to care for, to stay with a man who treats her like this

would you ?

squeakytoy · 20/02/2011 16:55

BiPolar is a treatable medical condition, not an excuse to behave as you wish and lie that "I cant feel guilt because of my illness", because really, that is very very untrue.

If he had Aspergers it may be true. That is an apergers trait, not a bi-polar trait.

MY FIL had bi-polar all his life, so I do speak from close experience here.

Alcohol is not going to help as that alters moods. If his bi-polar is so bad, he should be avoiding alcohol altogether.

He is 35, not 15, and should be supporting you more, not pissing the money up the wall because he values his drinking time more than he does getting home to you.

He could buy 4 cans of beer for the same price as a pint, bring them home, and spend time with you. He chooses to not come home.

PeterAndreForPM · 20/02/2011 17:14

Great post, squeaky

thumbwitch · 20/02/2011 21:45

smokytimswhore - perhaps YOU are the one who doesn't process or read properly - it's VERY CLEAR from what the OP has written that her partner has a problem with alcohol. He drinks too much, he drinks every day, he chooses to go to the pub rather than come home early, despite his extremely pregnant partner BEGGING him to do so. It is no "bizarre and unrelated conclusion" to suggest that this man has a problem with alcohol and that he is unlikely to change. Nor that his problem with alcohol is going to cause a whole heap more trouble for the OP before she realises that he has to WANT to change, which he currently very obviously doesn't want to - or he would have made efforts to stop going to the pub, stop wasting money on alcohol and actually come home when asked to.

Just because you chose to spend years with someone who "made your life hell" doesn't mean that other anyone else should put up with any selfish bloke's bollocks behaviour.

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