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Marriage Between Cousins.....

55 replies

Fangache · 07/10/2005 15:19

Found a fab website that answered all my queries J&BM!! I am now educated:

Some people are fixated on the fallacy that cousin couples pose an intolerable risk to their offspring. However it is likely that we are all descendants of cousin marriages. Before civil laws banning cousin marriages, it was preferable to marry a cousin in some communities as it is to this day in many countries. The notion ?why marry a stranger" is just as prevalent in many countries as the cousin marriage taboo in America today.
There is a wide range of opinions on the subject of cousin marriages. This is fuelled by erroneous information, bigotry, and presumptions. Further we have civil laws and religious creeds based on obsolete information.

The facts about cousin marriages are much clearer.

There are no contemporary studies that indicate cousins have children with significantly higher than normal birth defects. Fears of cousins who marry having children with birth defects are indeed exaggerated. Simply marrying within your own race increases the odds of birth defects. Marrying within your own town further increases your chances. Cousin couples have only a slightly higher incidence of birth defects than non-related couples.

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jessicaandbumpsmummy · 07/10/2005 15:33

Interesting.

Sorry it all came out like that on the other thread, but never mind.

aloha · 07/10/2005 15:34

Planning on marrying your cousin Fangache?

baronessbee · 07/10/2005 15:47

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Fangache · 07/10/2005 15:55

JABM - Why you saying sorry? What happened on the other thread?

Haha Aloha!

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Fangache · 07/10/2005 15:55

JABM - Why you saying sorry? What happened on the other thread?

Haha Aloha!

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LadyFioOfTipton · 07/10/2005 15:59

nothing happened on the other thread, dont be sorry about it JABM

we always get asked if me and my dh are cousins when we have genetic counselling. think its just particulare rare symdromes are often due to parents being related. there are children at my daughters school who have a v v vraer syndrome due to being born from a brother/sister relationship, but that is very different from cousins

stitch · 07/10/2005 16:05

fangache, im sorry but i disagree with you. first cousin relationships have an almost ten percent risk of abnormalities as opposed to a 2% risk in non first cousin marriages.

i come from a culture in which this is perfectly normal, and in some families preferable. however when you get three or four generations of first cousin marriages, that is when it is very very obvious what problems can occur.

aloha · 07/10/2005 16:05

Cousin marriage is perfectly legal in the UK though and I've never thought it wrong or dangerous personally.

Fangache · 07/10/2005 16:07

Stitch.... I only posted this as a MN'er is married to her cousin and I asked the question whether it was legal..... which prompted me to do a search and this is what I found on a website!

Thats all. I just thought it would be nice to dispel any myths that it isn't legal in the UK.

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Pruni · 07/10/2005 16:07

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aloha · 07/10/2005 16:09

PHILADELPHIA, Pennsylvania (AP) -- The risk of birth defects in children born to couples who are first or second cousins isn't as high as many experts had believed, according to a study that sheds new light on a practice that is stigmatized in many Western cultures.

The study released Wednesday says married cousins are still more likely than unrelated couples to have children with a birth defect, significant mental retardation or serious genetic disease.

An unrelated couple has about a 3 percent to 4 percent risk of having a child with such problems. But for close cousins who are married, that risk jumps only 1.7 percent to 2.8 percent, the study said.

Researcher Robin Bennett said that is lower than many people, including family doctors, believed to be the case.

"The commonsense point of this is that there is a definite risk, but the risk is rather small," said one of the researchers, Dr. Arno G. Motulsky, professor of medicine and genome sciences at the University of Washington.

stitch · 07/10/2005 16:10

i dont think it wrong or dangerous either, except when it is something that society insists on, and you have lots of generations of what can only be called inbreeding.

my parents have friends who are first cousins. their parents were first cousins, a s were their grandparents. their son was also married to his first cousin. but since his wife's parents, were his parents brother and sister, well, its difficult to keep track in that family. but they do seem to have a higher than normal incidence of children with learning difficulties.

Fangache · 07/10/2005 16:13

Stitch - Well thats alright as I don't think the afore mentioned MN'ers family make a habit of it!

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stitch · 07/10/2005 16:14

pruni, in 1994 i was living in birmingham and attended a lecture given by someone at bham uni to the local pakistani community. i cant remember the speakers name, but do remember the figures she quoted.
i was particularly appalled when the audience were very rude to her, imo. the most reasoned was the woman who stated that their religion insisted on such marriages, (it doesnt). it was an nteresting introduction to that community.

fangache, i know it is legal, and dont think it should ever be otherwise. but i still dont think it is advisable

LadyFioOfTipton · 07/10/2005 16:14

I really think it is a bit unfair to start this thread when jessicabumps mummy is so close to giving birth. She seems happy and they are both happy, have a healthy child. it is society's view that inflicts more stress on them than anything

I must say from what I have seen brother/sister totally different scenario

stitch · 07/10/2005 16:14

fangache, who are you talking about??

stitch · 07/10/2005 16:15

lady fio, tell us about this brother sister scenario. im very interested , 1 how did it come about, and 2 how come everyone knows?

LadyFioOfTipton · 07/10/2005 16:16

and I have a achild with severe learning disabilities without any learning disability ever being opresent in either family, although main cause is always thought of as genetic.

Fangache · 07/10/2005 16:16

Fio - Thats why I started this thread!! She mentioned on the other thread that they were 1st cousins. And I asked a few questions (albeit ignorant ones) about the legality etc etc..... so I thought before it all goes pear-shaped I post this to dispel myths!!!! Plus.... I'm genuinely interested and its a public forum and I wanted to know..... so MWAH!

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aloha · 07/10/2005 16:17

I didn't realise that this concerned a mumsnetter, but it's legal, fine, she's happy and healthy and it's her own choice and I say good luck to her and her family.

LadyFioOfTipton · 07/10/2005 16:17

I am not supposed to know stitch, well not sure whether I am but I asked if they were all brothers and was told

Fangache · 07/10/2005 16:17

Exactly Aloha!

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stitch · 07/10/2005 16:19

???? come on, tell. how do a brother and sister go about having kids??? its illegal isnt it?

Fangache · 07/10/2005 16:20

Stitch.... weird question! How else would they have kids.....eh they have sex?!?!! It happens.

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stitch · 07/10/2005 16:20

but why? and then have a child as well???? surely that is seriously bent?