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MiL and rudeness

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HMTheQueen · 20/01/2011 16:10

Okay - background.

MIL and FIL divorced when DH was about 5 years old. DH and BIL spent lots of weekends and holidays with FIL while growing up and had good relationships with both parents. FIL remarried, had two more children, divorced her, and has been with SMIL for over 15 years. MIL never remarried and I believe had a few short-lived romances, but nothing too serious.

DH and I met in 2002. We had DS in 2008. When DS was 7 months old DH died of cancer. Obviously devastating to the whole family.

Since DH died, MIL has been struggling quite a bit emotionally. She is currently on Anti-D's and I know she has recently been seeing a counsellor.

She is a very nice lady, but she is an inherently selfish person. She doesn't seem to think about how other people will feel about some of her actions - it's just about her. For example, she brought some food with her at Xmas to help with keeping my costs down - very nice gesture. But, BUT turning up with your own fucking butter and a half used jar of mustard is not nice and helping with the cost. It's fucking insulting to me.

Another example is when we visit her best friend of 25 years (DH and BIL grew up with her kids - they were all family friends together). I have gotten to know this family very well and I sort of think of them as my substitute family (I'm from Oz and that's where my family is). Anyway, we were going to visit the best friend and best friend invited MIL along for lunch. MIL says to BF that she doesn't want to seem ungracious, but if DS and I are going to go to her (MIL's) house for dinner she won't bother visiting BF when we are there. That seem really bloody ungracious to me! Basically she is saying, I'm coming to see them, not you, my friend of 25 years.

She does this sort of thing (insulting people unwittingly) all the time, but as she always means well, and she is trying to do things out of the goodness of her heart, no-one tells her she is being rude. My thinking is that someone should tell her, otherwise she will continue to insult and offend people. Also, if someone does happen to mention anything remotely negative about her actions, she gets very defensive and (I feel) pulls the 'Woe is me, my son died' card.

So to the current issue...

I am having a bit a get together next weekend for Australia Day. This is an annual thing. DH and I did it every year with our friends. After DH died, it has been a bit more of a friends and family thing, in that MIL, FIL and SMIL and BIL have come along too (and my parents as well the year DH died as it was around the time of the funeral).

This year, I sent a FB (I know, I know!) event to my friends inviting them for this year. I invited BIL. I did not invite MIL, FIL, SMIL etc as I want to get it back the way it was, with our friends as I feel I have been neglecting them a bit, and it'd be nice to catch up after the chaos of Xmas.

Anyway, BIL told MIL (not his fault, he wasn't to know I didn't really want her (or really her generation TBH) there). MIL sends me an email asking about the date/time of the party and can she come. In the same email she also asks if she should bring a pudding. So she has assumed she is invited.

I agonsie for a bit, and send her a nice email saying that I want it to be a friends and their kids kind of thing, but we'll see her soon. She sends back a one line email (v. unusual for her) saying fine, no problem.

Two hours later she sends another email saying that she understands that I want it to be my just my friends, but I should understand that my friends are her friends too! Then she asks me to send love to certain friends and can I take some photos of their baby.

This is the crux of the matter. They are not her friends. They are my (our - me and DH) friends. She happens to be the mother of one of their friends. She has taken on this persona as 'Aunty' to all of my friend's children (whether asked to by the parents or not) and is assuming some sort of 'friend rights' over them. I thought I had been nice about saying she wasn't invited, however, now she is making me feel guilty (whether deliberately or not I don't know) about not inviting her to my party.

So (mammoth) post almost over now...

What do I do? Do I tell her she is being unreasonable in trying to guilt me? Do I let it slide (like everyone has her entire life)? Do I not mention it at all? Do I invite her (please god no)?

I feel someone should pull her up on this, but shoudl it be me? If not me, who? Everyone else seems to accept that this is just how she is.

DS is her only GC, her link to DH and (I think) her main reason for living at the moment (hates her job, lives in rented house, has no pension, not much of a social life except for a few key friends). For the record, I would NEVER stop her form seeing DS - for starters he loves her so much - I just find it difficult to be around her personally.

So MN jury... help???

OP posts:
HMTheQueen · 21/01/2011 11:16

Please don't think I'm a totally heartless bitch... I do feel sorry for her too. I know she wants links to DH and to see DS. But if I let her, she would probbly move in! She wants to see us all the time, and wants to spend all her time with DS.

I get why she wants to do this, but I can't possibly live like that, with her here all the time. Also, surely it's not healthy for her to have nothing else in her life, apart from DS? She needs to go out and get a life, be active, see other people, maybe do a hobby.

I understand this is difficult when you are depressed, but I can't carry her guilt as well as my own.

OP posts:
WimpleOfTheBallet · 21/01/2011 11:25

Queen could you suggest that she acompany you to some kid of class or club...and then beggar off after a few f them? Ecourage her actively to get a life so to speak?

HMTheQueen · 21/01/2011 11:30

That's a great idea... except she lives in Bristol and I live in London! Grin

I've encouraged her to maybe make and sell toys (she does amazing sewing - made DS a proper hobby horse for xmas), but she has no incentive. She would gladly make them all for DS, but can't seem to get motivated to do much else. Even making toys for my friends babies would be great, but if it's not for DS, she won't bother.

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WonderingStar · 21/01/2011 11:47

To those who are saying that OP should include her MIL in this, to be blunt, if you haven't suffered the loss of your partner, you really may not understand how the dynamic works once you have to deal with (sometimes) tricky ILs without the buffer that is your spouse.

Why shouldn't the OP enjoy a happy party at her house, with her and DH's friends, in the way that she used to with her DH? Without having to worry that her MIL is saying something rude or insulting, or digging in her life for details, or befriending her friends in a rather possessive way. Wouldn't it be nice for the OP to relax and socialise in a normal way rather than have her MIL taking over? MIL was only invited once or twice because circumstances were different. And now OP wants to try to get back to some sort of normality, which when her DH was alive didn't involve MIL at every event.

WinkyWinkola · 21/01/2011 12:09

HMtheQueen, I think you're right. You cannot carry her as well. She is a grown up and needs to find her own life and her own way. You're doing it so why can't she?

You can't take responsibility for her and it's very unreasonable of her to be invited to your every event and gathering. Why should you?

It sounds like you're being really fair, trying to progress and she should really do the same.

She can't live through the grandchildren. It really irritates me when people trying to focus their entire lives on grandchildren - it's not fair on the gcs or on the parents.

So keep on being firm, fair and kind. That is exactly what you're doing.

HMTheQueen · 21/01/2011 12:11

Thank you wonderingtar (can't pm you from work!).

That's exactly it - why should she be invited to everything? Life has to move on, and some things will happen without her... she needs to accept that... and unfortunatley I have to tell her, as no one else will it seems.

OP posts:
WinkyWinkola · 21/01/2011 12:11

You may find it gives your mil a shove to start doing things for herself.

Or she may fall into a mire in even more inertia.

Either way, don't you be feeling guilty or responsible. It's up to her what she does. Not you.

WinkyWinkola · 21/01/2011 12:12

of even more inertia, I meant.

HMTheQueen · 21/01/2011 12:13

Thanks winky - I don't want all the pressure on DS... he's only 2.7! He can't cope with all her attention, hopes, fears, and still be a normal little boy. It's not fair on me or him - she will need to learn to cope.

Firm, fair, kind... that will be my mantra from now on!

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AxisofEvil · 21/01/2011 12:34

Op - I really do sympathise. I also understand about the "weak examples". I have a family member who drives me up the wall and I would cheerfully cull but if you try to give an example of their behaviour to someone who doesn't know them you can sound a bit crazy - like "is that it?". Afterall its not like they burnt the house down or murdered the cat. Each individual thing doesn't sound like a massive deal and should be excusable as and of itself but I do understand how the cumulative effect of it all can be enough to want to run screaming from the building.

pranma · 21/01/2011 15:06

I cant help feeling very sorry for her.Imagine losing her ds then being excluded from events that she has,in the past,been welcomed too.Her dgs will be temporarily the centre of her world you are NBU to uninvite her but oh that poor,poor woman.She will never approach 'normal' again and may see this as you beginning to weaken her links to her dgs[I know you aren't].It's so sad.

pranma · 21/01/2011 15:08

By the way I have lost a dh but had no problems at all with m-i-l who eventually came to my 2nd wedding and we stayed close until her death.

WinkyWinkola · 21/01/2011 17:09

Pranma, are you serious? The op can still be close to her mil and foster a relationship with her dgs but she doesn't have to invite her or anyone to anything she doesn't feel like.

Nobody will approach 'normal' again after such a loss but it is actually up to the individual to make a bit of an effort themselves and not to lay so much guilt and responsibility on anyone else.

The op has to look after her ds. She perhaps isn't naturally so close to her mil maybe even before her dh died.

It's not her responsibility to ensure her mil's social life is kicking. It's her mils and if her mil did make more of an effort of her own, not being invited to a party wouldn't bother her so much.

upahill · 21/01/2011 17:27

''I feel sorry for her to be honest. She probably really enjoys meeting people who remember her son from years ago. Hearing happy memories probably give her some comfort.''

I really agree with that thought.
I know you want the day to yourself and I am so torn what to suggest.

It does sound like she enjoys your company.

If you really really don't want to invite her (personally I would) why not invite her out to lunch a day or so after or before the party then she is not going to have a feeling of being shoved out.

pranma · 21/01/2011 21:14

yes I'm afraid I am serious-note that i did say op was NBU not to invite her but I just felt sad for the m-i-l.i am currently [and quietly] a bit upset at no invite to sd-i-l's
40th birthday party.She will never be told that of course and I know she isnt on here.

christmaswishes · 22/01/2011 05:25

I have read your post and do feel you are being mean to your mil. I know it must be a difficult time for you losing your husband but I think you should let her have an active role in your sons life.

Also just wondering why you would invite your bil to the party and none of your other ilaws.?

It doesn't have to be this way. Yes you need space like we all do but equally so make an effort too. Maybe it might be best if you made regular arrangements to see mil with ds. It will be good for him to see his granny and mix with different people.

diddl · 22/01/2011 09:44

"Also just wondering why you would invite your bil to the party and none of your other ilaws.?"

Because sometimes we want to do things with peers & not parents!

OP invited MIL a couple of times in the past to be kind.

I bet she´s beginning to wish she had never bothered.

I don´t think this is a sign that she intends to stop her seeing her grandson!

I´m not sure why OP should have to consider MIL more or see her more now than she ever did tbh-she´s not MILs only family, is she?

CowboysGal · 27/08/2011 00:28

Whoa I feel for you HMTheQueen but after the complete and utter bloody nightmare of a day I have just had with my own MIL issues I'm not sure the comment I'm about to make is for you or what I'm telling myself....
.....I reckon to be a good Parent you need to have boundaries, be firm, try to be understanding and know when to let go and move on to live your own life(something some MILs cant seem to be able to do)
I also think that us Mum's sometimes just need a bloody break from all the drama and if we want to do that in our own way (by having a party for instance, without the MIL being there) then that is our right. Sorry but it's your party and MIL was not invited. YOU cannot be responsible for her happiness, she is a grown woman and if she is upset about being left out than that's something she will have to deal with. The only thing you have to decide is whether you are able to deal with any fall out from your decision?

DontGoCurly · 27/08/2011 00:45

zombie thread!

CowboysGal · 27/08/2011 00:50

so it is Don'tGoCurly sorry all,feeling a bit zombie-like myself today!! Didn't even notice the date till you'd pointed it out!! Blush

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