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Help! Shocked and Hurt

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UpDownAndAround · 06/12/2010 17:11

I have name changed for this post.

DP and I have been together for six years. I found this e-mail open on his computer while he went out to run a few errands. It was a "reminder" from a friend of his who he is always hanging around. I'm afraid I've been a total sucker for this horrible behavior. I am a very self confident person and never was bothered by him being a bit flirty with other women or having women friends but now I feel betrayed that there was some sort of code. How would you react to this or respond? Should I tell him I found this horrid list? It sounds cruel and awful. We have had a v. good relationship until the last few months - now I think he is getting ready for the last "rule." This is heartbreaking to me!

Here is what the e-mail said:

II. Make her jealous
Flirt with other women in front of her. Do not dissuade other women from flirting with you. Women will never admit this but jealousy excites them. The thought of you turning on another woman will arouse her sexually. No girl wants a man that no other woman wants. The partner who harnesses the gale storm of jealousy controls the direction of the relationship.

III. You shall make your mission, not your woman, your priority
Forget all those romantic cliches of the leading man proclaiming his undying love for the woman who completes him. Despite whatever protestations to the contrary, women do not want to be ?The One? or the center of a man?s existence. They in fact want to subordinate themselves to a worthy man?s life purpose, to help him achieve that purpose with their feminine support, and to follow the path he lays out. You must respect a woman?s integrity and not lie to her that she is ?your everything?. She is not your everything, and if she is, she will soon not be anymore.

IV. Don?t play by her rules
If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire. The strongest woman and the most strident feminist wants to be led by, and to submit to, a more powerful man. Polarity is the core of a healthy loving relationship. She does not want the prerogative to walk all over you with her capricious demands and mercurial moods. Her emotions are a hurricane, her soul a saboteur. Think of yourself as a bulwark against her tempest. When she grasps for a pillar to steady herself against the whipping winds or yearns for an authority figure to foil her worst instincts, it is you who has to be there? strong, solid, unshakeable and immovable.

V. Adhere to the golden ratio
Give your woman 2/3 of everything she gives you. For every three calls or texts, give her two back. Three declarations of love earn two in return. Three gifts; two nights out. Give her two displays of affection and stop until she has answered with three more. When she speaks, you reply with fewer words. When she emotes, you emote less. The idea behind the golden ratio is twofold ? it establishes your greater value by making her chase you, and it demonstrates that you have the self-restraint to avoid getting swept up in her personal dramas. Refraining from reciprocating everything she does for you in equal measure instills in her the proper attitude of belief in your higher status. In her deepest loins it is what she truly wants.

VI. Keep her guessing
True to their inscrutable natures, women ask questions they don?t really want direct answers to. Woe be the man who plays it straight ? his fate is the suffering of the beta. Evade, tease, obfuscate. She thrives when she has to imagine what you?re thinking about her, and withers when she knows exactly how you feel. A woman may want financial and family security, but she does not want passion security. In the same manner, when she has displeased you, punish swiftly, but when she has done you right, reward slowly. Reward her good behavior intermittently and unpredictably and she will never tire of working hard to please you.

VII. Always keep two in the kitty
Never allow yourself to be a ?kept man?. A man with options is a man without need. It builds confidence and encourages boldness with women if there is another woman, a safety net, to catch you in case you slip and risk a breakup, divorce, or a lost prospect, leading to loneliness and a grinding dry spell. A woman knows once she has slept with a man she has abdicated a measure of her power; when she has fallen in love with him she has surrendered nearly all of it. But love is ephemeral and with time she may rediscover her power and threaten to leave you. It is her final trump card. Withdrawing all her love and all her body in an instant will rend your soul if you are faced with contemplating the empty abyss alone. Knowing there is another you can turn to for affection will fortify your will and satisfy your manhood.

VIII. Say you?re sorry only when absolutely necessary
Do not say you?re sorry for every wrong thing you do. It is a posture of submission that no man should reflexively adopt, no matter how alpha he is. Apologizing increases the demand for more apologies. She will come to expect your contrition, like a cat expects its meal at a set time each day. And then your value will lower in her eyes. Instead, if you have done something wrong, you should acknowledge your guilt in a glancing way without resorting to the actual words ?I?m sorry.? Pull the Bill Clinton maneuver and say ?Mistakes were made? or tell her you ?feel bad? about what you did. You are granted two freebie ?I?m sorry"s for the life of your relationship; use them wisely.

IX. Connect with her emotions
Set yourself apart from other men and connect with a woman?s emotional landscape. Her mind is an alien world that requires deft navigation to reach your rendezvous. Frolic in the surf of emotions rather than the arid desert of logic. Be playful. Employ all your senses. Describe in lush detail scenarios to set her heart afire. Give your feelings freedom to roam. ROAM. Yes, that is a good word. You?re not on a linear path with her. You are ROAMING all over, taking her on an adventure. In this world, there is no need to finish thoughts or draw conclusions. There is only need to EXPERIENCE. You?re grabbing her hand and running with her down an infinite, labyrinthine alleyway with no end, laughing and letting your fingers glide on the cobblestone walls along the way.

X. Ignore her beauty
The man who trains his mind to subdue the reward centers of his brain when reflecting upon a beautiful female face will magically transform his interactions with women. His apprehension and self-consciousness will melt away, paving the path for more honest and self-possessed interactions with the objects of his desire. This is one reason why the greatest lotharios drown in more love than they can handle ? through positive experiences with so many beautiful women they lose their awe of beauty and, in turn, their powerlessness under its spell. It will help you acquire the right frame of mind to stop using the words hot, cute, gorgeous, or beautiful to describe girls who turn you on. Instead, say to yourself ?she?s interesting? or ?she might be worth getting to know?. Never compliment a girl on her looks, especially not a girl you aren?t fucking. Turn off that part of your brain that wants to put them on pedestals. Further advanced training to reach this state of unawed Zen transcendence is to sleep with many MANY attractive women (try to avoid sleeping with a lot of ugly women if you don?t want to regress). Soon, a Jedi lover you will be.

XI. Be irrationally self-confident
No matter what your station in life, stride through the world without apology or excuse. It does not matter if objectively you are not the best man a woman can get; what matters is that you think and act like you are. Women have a dog?s instinct for uncovering weakness in men; don?t make it easy for them. Self-confidence, warranted or not, triggers submissive emotional responses in women. Irrational self-confidence will get you more pussy than rational defeatism.

XII. Maximize your strengths, minimize your weaknesses
In the betterment of ourselves as men we attract women into our orbit. To accomplish this gravitational pull as painlessly and efficiently as possible, you must identify your natural talents and shortcomings and parcel your efforts accordingly. If you are a gifted jokester, don?t waste time and energy trying to raise your status in philosophical debate. If you write well but dance poorly, don?t kill yourself trying to expand your manly influence on the dance floor. Your goal should be to attract women effortlessly, so play to your strengths no matter what they are; there is a groupie for every male endeavor. Except World of Warcraft.

XIII. Err on the side of too much boldness, rather than too little
Touching a woman inappropriately on the first date will get you further with her than not touching her at all. Don?t let a woman?s faux indignation at your boldness sway you; they secretly love it when a man aggressively pursues what he wants and makes his sexual intentions known. You don?t have to be an asshole, but if you have no choice, being an inconsiderate asshole beats being a polite beta, every time.

XV. Maintain your state control
You are an oak tree. You will not be manipulated by crying, yelling, lying, head games, sexual withdrawal, jealousy ploys, pity plays, shit tests, hot/cold/hot/cold, disappearing acts, or guilt trips. She will rain and thunder all around you and you will shelter her until her storm passes. She will not drag you into her chaos or uproot you. When you have mastery over yourself, you will have mastery over her.

XVI. Never be afraid to lose her
You must not fear. Fear is the love-killer. Fear is the ego-triumph that brings abject loneliness. You will face your fear. You will permit it to pass over and through you. And when your ego-fear is gone you will turn and face your lover, and only your heart will remain. You will walk away from her when she has violated your integrity, and you will let her walk when her heart is closed to you. She who can destroy you, controls you. Don?t give her that power over yourself. Love yourself before you love her.

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perfumeditsawonderfullife · 06/12/2010 17:16

What a load of bull! I would dump him just for reading that trash.

Katisha · 06/12/2010 17:18

When he gets back - ask him about it.
Then we'll see...

And I would say - don't be afraid to lose him...

UpDownAndAround · 06/12/2010 17:19

That's just it. SHould I admit to reading this? HIS e-mail? Or should I try to be more clever and react in a certain way? The whole thing is disgusting!

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Katisha · 06/12/2010 17:20

It is UTTER tripe - quite an incredible piece of work!

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 17:20

Did my DH write this?

Katisha · 06/12/2010 17:20

Oh don't bother playing games - life's too short.
Just ask him about it.

StuffingGoldBrass · 06/12/2010 17:22

If you recognize your DP's behaviour in this list then dump the fucker. But I rather doubt that your H does behave like this, because the thing is that lists like this are generally only popular with men who are permanently single. This sort of 'Respect the COCK!' nonsense is a good moneymaker for the sort of charlatans who would normally be peddling astrology, homeopathy or religion, and it's in the same category of 'truth' ie it's compelte bullshit and this behaviour won't work. Women are not this stupid (at least, not many of us are) - so the peddling of this kind of 'Rules for Penis-holder' stuff is a never-ending con-trick - loser buys the book/dvd/teaching programme, it doesn't work, he's told he's not trying hard enough or needs to buy more programme... etc.
I just know that your DP's mate who sent him this is single. ANd probably jealous of your DP being able to keep a partner.

ChippedChinaTeacup · 06/12/2010 17:23

What a load of tripe.. do you think he left the email open deliberately for you to see?

He does sound like a twat if he subscribes to such shite

UpDownAndAround · 06/12/2010 17:23

I'm concerned he might be upset I was reading his e-mail and that will be more of the focus rather than the content - of which I have read over and over again....

I cannot imagine him admitting to any of this, it's so gross. But what concerns me is that he DOES do some of these things of which I thought were just quirks in his personality!

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slug · 06/12/2010 17:23

Personally I would print it out and read it out loud to him laughing hysterically at each example of mysoginist crap.

"Women will never admit this but jealousy excites them" FFS!!!

"If you allow a woman to make the rules she will resent you with a seething contempt even a rapist cannot inspire" Vomit emoticon

And honestly, have you read the purple prose? I would have a bunch of friends around to laugh over it, preferably in his hearing.

The man, if he believes any of that "alpha male" twaddle, is being beyond ridiculous. Treat it with trhe contempt it deserves.

UpDownAndAround · 06/12/2010 17:25

[SGB] - I really hope you are right.

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gingerwig · 06/12/2010 17:25

how well do you know this friend of his?

Is it meant as a a poor joke? It sounds like the instructions for an online fantasy role playing game or something

It's pretty ridiculous really, that anyone would bother composing or repeating such misogynistic clap trap, far less think it would in some way work.
It must be a "joke", surely?

What has happened in the last few months?

Ormirian · 06/12/2010 17:27

Oh good lord! Shock
What a load of toss!

UpDownAndAround · 06/12/2010 17:28

Slug - I know - it's completely SICKENING, stupid and laughable!

...but it was sent to my DP from one of his closest friends who he hangs out regularly with. This is also my concern and yes the friend is single and he dates A LOT which makes me sick to think he is subscribing to this.

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gingerwig · 06/12/2010 17:29

Google the sixteen commandments of Poon

huddspur · 06/12/2010 17:29

I wouldn't jump to any conclusions my sisters boyfriend who has a friend who sends him stuff like this, he just laughs at its stupidity.

VivaLeBeaver · 06/12/2010 17:29

Might it be just some semi-spam stupid chain email that blokes send to each other?

UpDownAndAround · 06/12/2010 17:30

...what has happened is that I'm recently pregnant and he has gone off sex because of it and acted like a different person. In fact, he has acts like someone I do not even know as of late.

I know the friend fairly well. He has been divorced for several years after 10 years of marriage. He's nice enough to me but...

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QueeferSantaland · 06/12/2010 17:30

Surely it's one of those chain emails? It reads like one.

Tell him you got one from a friend or collegue and laugh about it. See what he says. Tell him what's what.

UpDownAndAround · 06/12/2010 17:33

Guess I could act like I received the same e-mail. Ugh. I don't know.

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believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 17:36

'Control'.

HowTheGrokeStoleChristmas · 06/12/2010 17:36

This is that "pick up artist " regimen feted mainly by dweebs who think there's a magic formula for attracting wimmins. There's a hilarious forum somewhere if you Google them.

In what context has your DPs friend sent this email?

QueenGigantaurofMnet · 06/12/2010 17:36

i was abut to suggest showing him the email and saying someone sent it to you. laugh at it and about how sad and deluded the men are that must beleive this rubbish.

see how he reacts.

Hopefuylly he recieved it as a typical "jokey" email and he has just ignored it.

But i agree, if he starts defending any of the behaviours then kick him out/in the balls.

UpDownAndAround · 06/12/2010 17:40

The subject of the e-mail said "A Reminder."

The truth is that I cannot imagine my DP subscribing to this because I think it's such stupid shite. Although I never underestimate men who try to influence other men.

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Whippoorwhill · 06/12/2010 17:43

It's a stupid internet circular. Here's where it originated roissy.wordpress.com/2008/07/08/the-sixteen-commandments-of-poon/

Laughable but vile tripe.

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