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what was it like for you before you split up?

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ostracized · 05/12/2010 16:01

My dh and I have not been speaking properly to each other for about 5 weeks now. Began after an argument with him stonewalling me. I now don't really try to talk to him unless about something I have to - but it is him who is doing the "not talking" iyswim. He still criticises though and shouts when he sees fit. Am wondering whether it was like this for other people before they split... We have so many issues, dh bad at communicating and also can be dictatorial and very negative and I am somehow unable to even try to talk about any of this as cannot face argument we will undoubtedly have.

Just the fact that he thinks it is okay to not talk for this long means that I somehow feel humiliated and "made lesser" - how does anyone come back to normality after that?

Have done things to damage relationship as well, but it is he who dictates what we can and cannot talk about and is a very uncompromising character emotionally. He is very hard working and helps / has helped in that will often try to be around if I need to be elsewhere (we have 3 children who are 4, 6 and 9 - and he often works from home) - he likes cooking and does quite a lot of it. However that's it, any other bond we have here is purely to do with the kids. They are at my sister's at the moment and both dh and I are sitting in living room on separate laptops (that's the other thing, he is a workaholic and is PERMANENTLY on the computer) not talking at all. I have said two things to him since I got back from dropping kids off and he has just grunted coldly back looking hyper pissed off and cold.

In past when he has done stonewalling thing I have felt kind of desperate but this time I kind of think - well, he doesn't want to talk, so what..... Obviously this is no way to live though.

Any thoughts?

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ostracized · 06/12/2010 09:40

Are you happier now HappyDays? Well, I don't know how much I have been trying to bring him round this time actually, though in the past I have. In the past I would have but not this time. To be fair the stonewalling thing was not that common any more and the last significant episode was two years ago.
Also, the house is messy and this is my passive aggressive behaviour towards him showing itself. It's not like the house is immaculate, I am making him endless cups of tea and he is still not talking to me - is this what it was like for you?
Can I ask if you have children and if so what they made of all this?
I don't know what is going through dh's mind. The thing which sparked the silence was an argument and initially I thought the silence was there to punish me for showing my anger plus he felt shown up in front of somebody else. Now I think that maybe he (like me to a certain extent) has given up and thinks that anything to do with "us" is pointless. I am really sick of how superior he seems to think he is though....

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ChickensHaveNoMercyForTurkeys · 06/12/2010 09:41

I'd also suggest counselling if you want to save your relationship. It's sad but true, though, that you can only control your own behaviour. If he's not willing to put the work in, then maybe you really would be happier on your own.

ostracized · 06/12/2010 09:52

Have just found an interesting little article about stonewalling. The only bit I have slight problems with is the part about how difficult men find criticism. What about women??? I have been criticised and belittled fairly regularly for years now, am I supposed just to be able to take it???

Here's the link anyway www.familiesonlinemagazine.com/stonewalling.html

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ostracized · 06/12/2010 09:53

sorry, you have to really scroll down to get to the article - ignore the survey

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HappyDaysAreHereAgain · 06/12/2010 10:55

I am MUCH happier!! The relationship was emotionally abusive and unhealthy. I left with my DD (now age 8)and she has come on leaps and bounds. I always thought she was timid and lacked confidence but counselling has helped me to realise that she was suffering as a result of the relationship, even thought I was doing my best to protect her.

Before I left I had got to the exact same stage as you, I felt dead inside and didn't want to bring him round from his sulk. I just withdrew but the whole thing was killing me, it's soul destroying to be ignored, especially when you have to plant a smile on your face and carry on as if everything is 'normal'. It is exhausting and emotionally draining. One thing that really got to me was if we had visitors he would come out of the sulk immediately and become all chatty and smiley for the sake of his audience, as soon as they had gone he was back to ignoring me. See, it's all about control. He knew exactly what he was doing.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 10:58

Anniegetyourgun - I have done all that with my DH - it doesn't even touch him; he would just treat that speech with utter indifference and say 'Whatever', or 'Stop going on at me', 'You're always nagging me', or 'Shut up' (or not so politely).

HappyDaysAreHereAgain · 06/12/2010 10:58

No ostracized, you are not supposed to just take it but that is what you are doing. I did it for years, eleven years to be precise. You get caught up in the cycle of it, nice for a couple of weeks and then abusive again, it's a pattern. I used to walk on egg shells for weeks and then breathe a huge sigh of relief when he started being 'nice' again, I would feel forgiven for whatever it was he was he seemed to be punishing me for. Then it would all start again. Exhausting!

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:00

HappyDays - I have watched mine literally switch expression coming down the garden path, lovely smiley friendly face to neighbour, then switch, face like thunder mid-way down the path.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:02

HappyDays - the point as well is - the person, ostracized, on the receiving end of this, is devoting a great deal of her time/emotional energy in life trying to 'handle' it.

Do you think he spends the same amount of time worrying about it - NO.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:02

It suits him. Sad, but true.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:04

Ostracized, have you been through the 'trying to get him to talk to him, appealing to his better nature, saying to him, come on, let's just stop this, we don't have to be like this, it's really upsetting me, I just want things to be ok...........

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:04

sorry - trying to get him to 'talk' to you!

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:05

Have you got angry about it - and he just watches you, observes you.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:06

Or, you can try and ignore it, but then you have to shut yourself down around him, and that's no fun either.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:07

Is he bothered? Probably not. (Ok, your situation is obviously going to be different to mine, I realise!).

HappyDaysAreHereAgain · 06/12/2010 11:08

I don't know about ostracized but I tried everything. Nothing worked. I wasted many years trying to 'handle it'. Life is so much sweeter now Xmas Smile

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:08

Does it make it feel like there is a grey cloud over things?

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:10

HappyDays - did you lose your temper with frustration at being given the silent treatment, and then were punished/criticised for getting upset/affected by it?

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:14

With mine, it has been - if you say the wrong thing, at the wrong time, you will be 'not talked to'; this is continuous.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:16

Or, he could keep it up for days (never weeks), because if he did that, how would get the other everyday services he wanted; he is not stupid, he knows how to keep the balance going. Trouble is, when I have started to object to being treated like this and I have refused to doing normal services like ironing. Then, I am criticised for being lazy.......

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:18

How much easier it must be to have a partner who doesn't give you all this crap? And give you such a hard time.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:19

And you have to change yourself to try and 'handle' it.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:23

And you also try to be loving and affectionate to stop the iciness; but he won't accept that either.Sad

HappyDaysAreHereAgain · 06/12/2010 11:24

No. I never lost my temper, I knew that wasn't the answer. I did get frustrated and I did get upset sometimes.

I may get flamed for this but I can see now that I enabled his treatment of me by staying, by tolerating it. By breathing that huge sigh of relief and just getting on with life as 'normal' when he decided to be 'nice' I was giving him the message that his treatment of me was acceptable. This in no way excuses his behaviour though!! What I should have done was leave a lot sooner than I did because the more I gave the more he took and the situation got far worse. I spent eleven years waiting for him to change, to show me he loved and respected me, giving him many chances to do so but I don't believe he will ever change. Ever.

believeyourtruth · 06/12/2010 11:24

Or, you apolgise to him, and he may/may not accept your apology.