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What is the best way to move on from an affair?

26 replies

Bigregrets · 11/11/2010 09:44

I was having an affair with a MM and it recently ended when his wife got pregnant. (posted briefly about this on another thread someone started)
I know i need to move on from him, so have deleted his number from my phone and all his messages. Our last contact was via text yesterday as it was his birthday.
Do i delete him from FB as at the moment we are still friends on there. My other concern (daft i know) is that if he knows i've deleted him from FB, I will never hear from him again and i'd be gutted if he just deleted me without telling me.
I want to make a go of things with DH but at the same time i feel i've lost a friend in OM?
He wants us to stay in touch as "he cares about me and wants us to be able to meet as friends" He "loves" his wife but was happy to be sleeping with me.
I have been reading many posts where there are similar situations going on but don't really want to hijack.
I do miss OM but know if i meet him for lunch (as he's suggested) i will go back to all my feelings for him.
How can I feel like this for someone i've known 4 months?
Sorry - i bet people feel like they are repeating themselves but i'm just at a loss as to how to move forward. :(

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whyamibothering · 11/11/2010 09:50

Tell him you are deleting him from FB and your life and then just do it. Not easy, I know, but whilst you meet him for lunch or await a FB message, you won't be able to make things work with DH. You probably will lose a friend in OM. Treat it as a lesson learnt. Better this way than unknown problems in the future. I expect he does love his wife, but was happy to be sleeping with you... This isn't a man you can trust. You are better off without anyway, and if you truly wish to make a go of things with DH you have to delete OM from your life.

Good Luck

FrogInAJacuzzi · 11/11/2010 09:51

You can't be friends with him. If he was your friend before, then you have lost him at least for now. Maybe in a couple of years/however long it takes to get over him, you can once again be friends, but probably not a good idea. It's sad, but that's the way it works.

You should delete him from FB, or at least block him.

Take it from me, the only thing that works is NO CONTACT. It has worked for me. Nothing at all. Otherwise you will be back to square one after every contact - it's like death by a thousand cuts. Don't prolong the agony.

WhenwillIfeelnormal · 11/11/2010 10:19

The most effective way is to delete every possible connection to him. All the time you are a spectre in eachother's marriages, those marriages cannot repair and flourish. You simply cannot resume a friendship in this situation and it's not fair on anyone if you try, including yourselves.

I couldn't help noticing you said his wife "got pregnant" which sounds as though you think she did this by herself. It might help to understand that one of the most hackneyed lines from an OM in this situation is that he only had sex with his wife the once, and hey presto, she "got pregnant" Hmm. I have never known this to be anything other than a complete lie.

The good news here is that you have only known him for 4 months, so although you might feel a strong attachment to him, it really isn't love.

Once you have completely severed contact, or any possibility thereof, there comes the more difficult, introspective stuff about why you were unfaithful and challenging the excuses that women give themselves for behaviour that goes against their values. Look inwards, OP, not outwards for someone, or something to blame.

Get some solo counselling but choose one who will challenge you and won't let you get away with any self-delusions about why you did this. Recognise that there are gender politics involved in affairs and don't let yourself off the hook by buying into some of the myths about female infidelity and what causes it.

Recognise that you have damaged your marriage, even if your H doesn't know. It is yet another myth that an undiscovered affair doesn't damage a relationship. Have a think about a disclosure and perhaps talk about this with a counsellor too.

Bigregrets · 11/11/2010 11:26

Thanks for your replies.

WWIFN - I knew he was sleeping with his wife albeit not how much as he was always asking for it and she'd become suspicious as when he was making excuses, she challenged him on it so i'm not deluded in the sense that i thought i was the only one he was sleeping with.

I am not blaming this on anyone - i know that me and only me is to blame for me making the choice to sleep with him. I'm not expecting or will get sympathy and I also know that there are no excuses to make it right male or female by having an affair. I've just got myself into a pickle and was hoping someone would be able to talk some sense into me as don't want to bring anyone in on it it the outside world as it would put them in a position knowing me and H.
Thanks for your words - i will look at a counsellor - would this work just by me going or do i need to talk to H about everything?
I'm fairly young and recently married so i recognise that rather than me having been in a marriage for years and years and unhappy for same amount of time etc, this could possibly be a huge fuck up on my part, lack of sex in my relationship and being a complete twat by letting myself do this.
I just didn't realise it would be much harder to get out if it then it was to get into it.

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QuintessentialShadows · 11/11/2010 11:31

I agree that cutting all contact is the way forward. Also, how is your health? You may not have been the first affair he has had, and you know he had no qualms about sleeping with both you and his wife, so a visit to a std clinic may be in order. It would devastate your own husband if you gave him something.

HappyWoman · 11/11/2010 11:53

cutting all contact is the only way - he can never be your friend again - sorry.

I know this is not helpful but I did just get pregnant Grin.

It was with no. 4 and I really do think it was just the once.

With 3 other little ones around we certainly did not get the chance that often.

However I am sure his wife did not just 'get pregnant'.Wink

Bigregrets · 11/11/2010 12:08

I didn't mean she "got pregnant" herself! I know it takes 2 to tango but i didn't know they wer "trying" if they were - he says they weren't. Who knows. If he can lie to her then he can lie to me.
We used condoms, but a visit to a clinic may be worth while too.

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WhenwillIfeelnormal · 11/11/2010 12:20

Well it's basic biology that a pregnancy can occur after a single act of sex Grin but I have just heard this claim once too often and find it distasteful tbh, that a man has to be apologetic about having sex with his wife "just the once".

BigRegrets you sound like you're taking your share of the responsibility for this and that is to your credit. I think you're wise to realise that any excuses you could make would seem hollow.

The counselling I'm suggesting would be on your own. I'd also suggest that you discuss whether to tell your H or not, with that counsellor. Debates rage on here all the time about whether to confess or not and there are considerable double-standards, dependent on whether the potential confessor is male or female. I'm in the pro-confession camp, simply because I believe that this is the best way of repairing your marriage and restoring intimacy.

However, you know your own circumstances best and there are obvious safeguards around disclosure i.e. unwise if violence or abuse will result and pointless if your H is similarly under-invested in your relationship. If neither of those threats are real, then all I would say is don't assume he would not forgive. Many people think they can never get past infidelity, until it happens to them. There is plenty of evidence, on these boards as in RL, that people of both genders start a path to forgiveness.

That's all perhaps for later, while you try to detach from the OM. A lot of women fall into the trap of turning all their hate and blame onto the OM, to help them detach more easily. I suspect you won't go that way, because you are evidently more self-aware.

Better I think, to analyse your own behaviour and your own choices and try to unravel why you got to this point.

You may have seen a post of mine on a similar thread recently, where I commented about how it is perfectly possible for a woman to have an affair while in a good marriage - and to mistake the feelings of lust and excitement as love. The genders really aren't too different in reality at all, but we are conditioned to think we are.

This is what I meant about taking into account the gender politics of affairs and questioning why, when society has this belief that women's affairs are borne out of marital dissatisfaction and that a woman must be "in love" with her affair partner to do this, there is contrary evidence all around us, that contradicts this belief?

You are not a bad person and neither is the OM, but you have both behaved really badly for the past 4 months. That's the perspective I want you to have - and might help you get to the bottom of why. Smile

Bast · 11/11/2010 12:23

If anything, he made his wife pregnant!

Cut contact but first I'd suggest each of you visit a GUM clinic.

There is a fifth person's health at risk in all this (aside from the other two innocents) and not every STI is checked for during pregnancy as a matter or course.

QuintessentialShadows · 11/11/2010 12:24

You also need to think about why you would tell your dh. To offload your burden to him? If so, not fair. Whether I am in the "confess" or "not confess camp" largely depends on the circumstances. Why did you have an affair? Is your marriage over? Do you want to put this past you and move on? In any event, you need to carry the pain and the burden yourself, and make it as easy as possible for your husband and children. They are innocent, and they should not have to handle your pain. If there is any pain at all then.

droves · 11/11/2010 12:29

Bigregrets , id delete him from FB .
He is a slimy two timing git...do you really want to be friends with a man who clearly has been shagging you both? (regardless of the fact he`s married & your married).
As for him saying they wernt trying ..look at how easily he has lied to his wife... do you trust a word he says? I wouldnt.

Look at your DH .
He might not be perfect but he stood up and declaired in public that he loves you.
You have had a bit of luck, that he didnt find out about your affair.
We all make mistakes , but if you learn from this it could help your marriage in future.You`ll work out why this happened ,and find out how to avoid a repeat ,(iykwim?).

If you do want to get your marriage back to where it should be then you have to make your Dh the focus of your attention.

Remember what you loved about him in the begining, look for whatever you need in him.Have fun with you dh again.
And be thankful that it is him you are married to. A LOVELY LOYAL HUSBAND!....not a cheating twunt like your OM !.

I hope you sort this out and that you and your DH go on to have a long and happy life together thats filled with fun and laughter.Smile.

Bast · 11/11/2010 12:33

Please have some compassion for that newborn to be and the mother, who currently, is lacking the awareness to make a fully informed decision regarding it's welfare.

Bigregrets · 11/11/2010 23:05

Hi All

I am going to go on Monday (first chance i've got) for some tests and recommend he does too.

It took me all day but i have finally deleted him from FB this evening - weird but i was actually shaking when i did it!

Thanks for your words - I have read and taken on board each and every one of them.

I know it's a long and tough road ahead but it is definately for the better - all 5 of us ( inc baby) deserve better and whilst i do think to myself "poor wife, carrying his baby and he's happy to sleep around" i also think "poor husband, has no idea what his stupid wife (me!)has done"
What bloody idiots we both were and i hope i stay in this frame of mind.

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Bast · 12/11/2010 02:43

Good on you BigR and all the best for the future.

HappyWoman · 12/11/2010 06:53

well done for deleting him - hopefully your pain will ease soon and you will only shudder when you think of him soon.

MakingRisotto · 12/11/2010 08:36

Well done for deleting him. I was on the receiving end of a delete when things came to a head for me. It really hurt my feelings BUT it was really liberating too - no more painful updates to read and no more facebook stalking. It was like gaining time. The last time I spoke to OM, I told him to stay away from me - I was so angry with him. The anger wore off, and those words I said now haunt me, but at the same time, I know it is good for me in the long run.

I'm afraid you cannot be friends with someone you feel like this about. It's not fair on anyone. You need to cut off, it's the only thing that works. The first few weeks are rough, like going cold turkey, then you kind of learn to live with the dull ache - where I am at the moment. I'll let you know if I get any further! I have good days and bad days.

If you're romanticising it all ('we're soulmates etc etc'), then you'll have to consider yourself starcrosssed lovers and all that - it's just not meant to be.

What's been going on is bad enough, the best thing that you can do to make any amends is to stay away from him and allow him to concentrate on his marriage and family. I know its hard for you. But if he still wants to be friends with you, I'm not convinced of his commitment to his marriage. That puts you in danger for being contacted - maybe when things are feeling good for you, and he has the potential to bring it all flooding back. A baby can bring a couple closer or it can put a strain on the relationship. So if it were the latter, how handy for him to have a number in his phone to call when he decides his wife is lavishing attention on the baby and he wants some or when sex becomes too infrequent for his liking. Don't become this safety net. You'd get entangled again, and you would get hurt because he probably wouldnt leave. And you'd be left feeling crap about what you had done to a family.

And you need to concentrate on your marriage too. I cannot believe what I was willing to gamble for a twat.

Don't meet him for lunch - save your time for friends who don't mess with your feelings.

Keep posting if you need to.

Bigregrets · 12/11/2010 09:02

Hi All

It was weird but when i went to bed last night, i felt a sense of relief that i had deleted him, this morning - still kind of the same but also have that sicky feeling of "he's no longer in my life"
I will be speaking with OM today as before i deleted him last night, i sent him a msg via FB asking him to call me tomorrow ( I no longer have his number as I have also deleted that) as i need to speak with him about going to be tested. Not looking forward to that conversation for 1) obvious reasons 2) I hope i don't start to miss him more and get back into my little bubble after speaking with him.

I shall post later on how it went (if anyone's interested!!)

Thanks so much for your words of encouragement -they really do help me.

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londonartemis · 12/11/2010 12:21

Well done for deleting him. So many of us hold back for too long.
I think he will be shocked about you saying about being tested. Careful not to be drawn into a long emotional conversation. If he doesn't phone, don't chase him.
You are being brilliantly decisive. Hope you have nice things planned for the week end and next week. You need lots of laughs and fun with people you like and you will forget him more easily. You are moving on really really well.

Bigregrets · 12/11/2010 13:15

He just called me and we had, dare I say it, a nice unemotional conversation.
I spoke to him about the tests, he said his wife had her results back and her tests for HIV, Hep etc etc came back clear and he will scan and send me them if I'd like him too. He said he has not slept with anyone other then me and his wife in past 9yrs (a lot of you will be eye rolling and thinking why believe him but I do, and I haven't slept with anyone other than him and H in past 5years and I'd like to think he'd believe me!)
I am going to get tests done next week just to be 100%.
I asked him about baby, he was telling me they'd bought x y z. And I am being honest here when I say that I was genuinely interested in hearing about it, and he asked me "do you know where your life is going now" to which I replied I was very happy at the min, H and I haven't argued for 2 weeks which is massive for us, things going in right direction etc etc. I don't know why he asked me that question but I told him how things were going.
I came off the phone a million times better than normally would and I do think he can get on with and enjoy his wife and new baby and fingers crossed I can start to enjoy marriage with my H.
It's going to take a while to forget about him completely,and I will miss him - some days more than others - but I hope more than anything that I can get on with my life in a positive way and things work out for the best.

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londonartemis · 12/11/2010 13:57

It sounds like that was a good conversation to end on! The danger is you think you can be friends. So, make sure you delete all possible contact from this phone call so you can't get in touch with him again, or accept his calls.
I do not doubt you both have emotional feelings about each other if you were both to dig deep enough, and even feel protective about each other...but it seems to me you have been given a great chance to move on and you must do so.
You are a great example to so many of us here!

londonartemis · 12/11/2010 13:58

PS Don't ask for the medical evidence about the tests!! Otherwise you will never break off with each other..Just take his word for it!

droves · 12/11/2010 16:33

BIGregrets .Well done you for breaking it off, and deleting him.
Also for staying strong whilst
having that last conversation. Smile

I think that it showed you have both came to the same conclusion , that your better of without each other...and in the circumstances its a good thing.

I would also tend to believe him if he says his wifes tests came back all clear.
They screen for almost everything in pregnancy now ....even strep b.
And as most mums-2-b carry their own notes so i do beleive he would be able to send you copy. (dont think you need it though).

You have a great reason to have a huge sigh of relief there.
Now you can work on putting your relationship with your dh back together.

I wish you well for the future. Smile

tadpoles · 13/11/2010 17:19

I think everyone has completely missed the point here. Whether the OP deletes him or not is neither here nor there. The OM could disappear to the other end of the world and the problem would remain.

Which is - she has ONLY JUST got married and has already had an affair......

Any half way decent counsellor would be exploring why the OP had got married in the first place.

An affair after a long period of marriage and bringing up children is one thing - it does not necessarily mean that the marriage will not work but most probably is due to other factors at play (mid-life crisis, "last chance" etc) but an affair when you have only just got married? That suggests to me that you either didn't really want to get married or you are rebelling against the marriage. The OM is completely irrelevant in my opinion, he is purely a symptom.

I would definitely talk to a counsellor if I were you.

Sorry but I think all the other responses have completely missed the point here. As though deleting someone from you contacts list is going to miraculously turn your marriage around. If it does, well fantastic, perhaps you just had the affair as a sort of rebellion and have now got it out of your system. But I would suggest that if your sex life is already going down the skids when you are young and just married - the future prospects are not that great.

Believe me, in 20 years time your husband is unlikely to be more handsome, sexy or charming than he is now, and the honeymoon will be a distant memory. Sorry to be blunt but if you are not lusting after each other now, it is highly unlikely that you will be in the future either.

Bigregrets · 14/11/2010 17:37

Thanks Tadpoles, I can see what you are saying and it also concerned me all of the above.
Had a lovely weekend with H, and i am not expecting miracles overnight, and I know the roads ahead are going to be long and tough but i TRULY want it all to work and for me and H to have a happy marriage.
I am going to see my doc next week about something so is it an idea to ask there re counselling?

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Bast · 15/11/2010 13:02

droves, 'they' do not screen for nearly everything in pregnancy!

There are several sexually transmitted infections which can and will cause serious illness to a newborn if left undiscovered and untreated, which aren't tested for during pregnancy as a matter of course.

The wife of this man needs to be tested for everything as does he, just as BigR is. Furthermore, just because one partner has tested clear does not mean any other partner is.

They should all then be retested in six months time because it can take up to this long for HIV to incubate once caught.

My apologies OP, for the distraction from the emotional issues which you are trying to deal with but misinformation (and unrealistic reassurance) on this particular aspect of your scenario could place some newborns in further unnecessary jeopardy.

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