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What do you make of this strange behaviour?

45 replies

ilovehens · 04/11/2010 12:29

ds is 12 and sees his father during the school holidays because the father moved 200 miles away when ds was a toddler.

ds suffers from a severe allergy to nuts and also has asthma and eczema which means that if he does come into contact with nuts, he's more likely to suffer a life threatening reaction. ds carries an Epipen and antihistamine tablets whenever he goes out.

We don't make a fuss about him having this allergy and just work our lives out around it - ds is not unduly anxious about it when he's with us or at school etc.

However, his father refuses point blank to take it seriously and ds has had several non severe reactions whilst in his father's care. His father didn't even see fit to give him an anithistamine tablet when this occured and I shudder to think what he would do if ds did suffer anaphylaxis at any time whilst in his care.

ds visits friend's houses and their mums always read the food labels properly and err on the side of caution, but his father and his family argue with ds if he even points out that he shouldn't be eating such and such a food.

His father tells ds that I'm paranoid and overprotective, even though the hospital consultant has told me to be very careful and to make sure ds always carries his Epipen and antihistamines.

The father uses ds' allergy to induce worries in me and has now informed ds that he plans to take him to an ethnic restaurant when he next sees him. We have been told that this is one of the biggest risks that a nut allergic person can be put under and to avoid doing this at all costs.

ds is now in a state of panic and doesn't want to visit his father anymore.

Why would a parent be doing this to their own child?

The father is very dictatorial and expects people to do as they're told. He is also very opinionated, but with a distinct lack of education or a good general knowledge.

what do you make of this?

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thumbwheel · 04/11/2010 12:33

I think his father is being a total fucking arse and if your DS doesn't want to see him any more then he shouldn't have to. No parent in their right minds (and being an ignorant dogmatic prick isn't right-minded, IMO) would knowingly put their child at risk of a life-threatening reaction. If they do, then they have no real love or care for that child and are just doing it to "get at" you for your seeming "over-care". What a knob.

Does he really think that consultants give out epipens on a whim?

Plumm · 04/11/2010 12:33

Has you ex ever been to an appointment at the hospital/doctor regarding your son's allergies? Would he be more likely to listen if the advice cam dactyl from the doctor?

FreudianSlimmery · 04/11/2010 12:34

I don't think I could let DS see his idiot of a father in your shoes. Not until the father grows up and takes responsibility anyway.

ilovehens · 04/11/2010 12:34

No, he has never been to the hospital because he lives so far away, but the consultant has written to him.

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ilovehens · 04/11/2010 12:36

I have been told to get the consultant to write to him again to reiterate that ds shouldn't be taken to unsafe places to eat. It's bad enough that he doesn't check labels, but ethnic food always contains high concentrations of nuts and the dangers of cross contamination are just too high.

I am extremely worried and am sick to death of the father doing this.

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GypsyMoth · 04/11/2010 12:36

Your ds can do as he chooses at this age and just not go......and you can tell him why!!

Is the access court ordered?

thumbwheel · 04/11/2010 12:36

What would happen if your DS refused to go and see him - is there a court order in place for contact? Even if there is, surely your DS is of an age where his wishes are taken into account, and if his father is exhibiting wilful neglect of his son's welfare, then it should be changed anyway.

Don't make him go again - it's not worth it. :(

ilovehens · 04/11/2010 12:37

I don't know what the hell is going through his mind.

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BudaisintheZONE · 04/11/2010 12:37

Well I would have thought that at 12 your DS was old enough to decide not to visit. Not sure what the legal situation is but I am sure a letter from your solicitor stating that as DS is worried he will not be visiting and possibly a letter from the consultant attached may be enough to sort your X out.

BudaisintheZONE · 04/11/2010 12:38

The consultant has written to him? And he still persists in being an idiot?

ilovehens · 04/11/2010 12:38

There is a court order in place. ds is 12, so his wishes should be taken into account now, but he's still too young to refuse to see his father from what I've been told. He would have to be more like age 14 to be able to do that.

He was crying when he came back to my house after his last visit.

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ilovehens · 04/11/2010 12:38

It's just bloody mental abuse of the both of us I think Sad

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thumbwheel · 04/11/2010 12:39

There is another poster on here whose son has SN - but her ex refuses to accept/believe this, despite various professional opinions, because "no son of his has anything wrong with him". Perhaps that is what is going through this knobcheese's head - or perhaps he just "doesn't believe" in allergies and thinks that if you keep trying a child on things, they'll "grow out of" their life-threatening response (which, admittedly, can happen but not necessarily!)

ilovehens · 04/11/2010 12:39

Yes, he ignores the doctors from what I can see.

I have to go to work now, will post back tonight if anybody has any thoughts/suggestions. I appreaciate all replies because I have nobody to speak to about this.

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malinkey · 04/11/2010 12:40

Can you talk to your solicitor and see where you stand legally if DS refuses to go?

Plumm · 04/11/2010 12:40

I don't know anything about court orders, so what would happen if DS didn't go? I certainly wouldn't want to send him.

GrimmaTheNome · 04/11/2010 12:40

Weird and worrying.

Not all ethnic food is loaded with nuts, but it sounds like your DSs father is trying to provoke a reaction.

We were once in a Thai where they cooked food specially for a multiply allergic child - checked carefully what she could have etc. But it sounds like your DS would be in trouble if he tried to tell the staff his requirements.

thumbwheel · 04/11/2010 12:41

Look, even if he is 12 and too young to refuse to go, his father is willingly putting his son's life and health at risk. Make him go back to court and then tell the courts this - I cannot see how they would put your DS's life at risk by insisting on the order staying as it is (although they can be fucking idiots as well so who knows).

Perhaps his dad wouldn't even bother to go back to court.

Plumm · 04/11/2010 12:41

Can DS fake an illness next time he supposed to visit, until you get some proper legal advice?

HystericalMe · 04/11/2010 12:43

Surely if you tell him, the court order can be changed because you will not take his health into account and are upsetting him with threats to eat food that may be harful to him, and you are keeping him at home and challenging the court order, there is nothing he can do.

Unless he backs down, but I wouldn't want DS in that position alone.

ronshar · 04/11/2010 12:43

Have you thought about getting legal advise on your sons behalf? I thought that at 12 children were legally competant!

XH is clearly an idiot with no real sense of responsibility towards his child.

If it were me then I would let my child chose whether or not they wanted to go and support that decision.

Poor boy. And poor you.

Bast · 04/11/2010 12:44

If the child doesn't wish to go don't make him.

If the father is endangering the child's life or has stated an intention to do so, do not send him!

Aside from the physical implications, he is being abusive - He is causing the child undue worry and neglecting to take his needs and wishes into account, disengage the child from this behaviour in any which way you can.

GypsyMoth · 04/11/2010 12:48

It can be done...... My dd's refused access, youngest dd was 12 then. By the time it all gets back to court...... You will be in breach of the order....... I would insist on cafcass involvement, so a good 6 months before a report will be done, your ds could be nearer 13 by then...... IF the courts insist he still goes, which I doubt, push for supervised access

Bast · 04/11/2010 12:49

With a c/o in place, I stand by what I said but seek legal advice.

I breached a c/o due to concern of the welfare of my DC. X took me to court and the judge upheld my decision as in the best interests of the children and placed further sanctions within the c/o, against X, as a consequence.

Speak with your solicitor asap!

JamieLeeCurtis · 04/11/2010 12:53

Does he do things to "toughen your son up"? I he a bit of a macho man?

Sounds the type to me. Sorry no advice but Angry for you

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