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Please come and assure my friend that her husband should NOT be treating her and their children like this

44 replies

LolaHasGoneOnHoliday · 10/09/2010 11:40

I have a lovely friend who's at a crossroads in her marriage. She's been increasingly unhappy with her husband since their eldest child (6) was born, but in that classic way, when things very steadily worsen, it's easy to either not notice or to question if it is actually that bad.

She talks about her situation a lot and I listen - and also bang on endlessly about how the way he's treating her and the kids really isn't OK, and that she's worth so much more. I must sound a bit like a stuck record sometimes, although we are close and I think I am ultimately helping.

Anyway, because she's ended up feeling a bit low and a shadow of herself after a whole summer of his nonsense, I thought if I list some of her husband's behaviour on here, some of you might have some wise words of support to help her see that it is not right and that she is 100% not to blame for this, and any advice on what she might do next. Then, depending on how the thread pans out, I thought I might share it with her to bolster her.

So ...

  • Her husband has described their son (to her - not to his face) as a f*cking dickhead/twat
  • He spends NO hands-on time with the children at all
  • He tells their two-year-old to get out of his face
  • They have one toilet in the house, in the family bathroom, and he takes a bath after work. If his DS (6) needs a poo while he's in the bath, he won't let him in and makes him wait
  • This summer, he said to my friend something along the lines of, "I mean, what are you actually any good at?"
  • He tells my friend that she should leave their children to their own devices (they're 2 and 6) and spend more time on him and their relationship. Because he does nothing with the kids, she feels like she overcompensates with them a bit although, to any onlooker, she seems like any normally engaged and interested mum
  • He goes to his female best friend's house at least one evening a week until late, getting drunk and talking about all sorts - including his marital gripes. This friend has then also laid into my friend about the same stuff (stop fussing over the kids so much, give him more sex, etc)
  • He regularly comes in from work and goes straight to bed before the children - and then wakes his wife up for sex at 5am
  • He complains that she just isn't interested enough in sex (which is almost always initiated by him a few hours before she would normally get up). She - understandably - doesn't want to be intimate with him, given how he treats her and the kids. He woke her up yesterday morning for sex at 5am. She obliged. He then said as he left early for work: "That's exactly what I'm talking about. I might as well be sticking my cock in a hole in the sheet."
  • She spent the whole summer holidays abroad at their holiday home at his insistence and inevitably felt isolated and unsupported while he did his own thing the whole time. He then complained at her for being ungrateful and miserable.
  • He doesn't like any of her friends.
  • When she has tried to talk to him about these problems and how she'd like to be treated, he turns it on to her: she needs to be less miserable, more interested in him/sex, do less with the kids, be more grateful and appreciative of all the hard work he does, etc. And recently when she stood up for herself, he said, "Now's not the time to grow a backbone." She hasn't even suggested counselling, which she'd be willing to do, because she knows he won't do it.

... you get the picture.

So come on, ladies - tell me how very much more she is worth (and the kids too) than this. Come and tell me how lovely husbands worth having treat their wives and children - and even how much better it is to be on your own than dealing with this every day.

And if you were her, what would you do at this crossroads?

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LolaHasGoneOnHoliday · 10/09/2010 11:40

Oh, and thank you!

I will be out now until after school pick-up, but will check back in ASAP this afternoon.

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templemaiden · 10/09/2010 11:44

The ONLY point out of the whole of that list that is not entirely unreasonable is the one about the toilet. We also have only one toilet and I would also not let anyone in to use it when I am having a shower.

Having said that, whenever anyone is about to have a shower, they make sure everyone knows and has a chance to use the toilet beforehand if necessary.

He sounds like a twunt and I suspect she knows it.

edam · 10/09/2010 11:54

Good grief. He sounds like a selfish, abusive tosser.

What exactly is she getting out of this marriage? Aggression directed at her and at the children, sexual aggression, endless unfair criticism, isolation... it's horrible and damaging for her and for the kids.

Real partners and real marriages aren't like that. They involve people who love each other, like each other and treat each other with respect. What would she think if a friend told her about a marriage like this? What would she think if a colleague behaved in such a sulky, bad tempered toddler fashion?

missedith01 · 10/09/2010 12:00

Good grief, what exactly is she waiting for? Sad If he spoke to me like that the sheet would be his only option.

PuppyMonkey · 10/09/2010 12:01

Dump the loser now, life will only get better for her and the kids. Does he have any redeeming qualities at all?

Flisspaps · 10/09/2010 12:22

At this point I'd show him that backbone he's so clearly worried about. Your friend and her children don't need to be around someone who so clearly despises them.

Pack him off, perhaps his friend will be willing to lend him a shoulder to gripe on and the sofa to sleep on.

BrightLightBrightLight · 10/09/2010 12:42

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conflicted · 10/09/2010 15:14

A psychologist explained to me how abuse builds up so gradually that the victim doesn't see it until it is too late. And by that stage, they often do not have the strength to leave which involves practical steps that can seem like an insurmountable hurdle. The average abused woman leaves her partner 7 times before finally making the break.

Your poor friend sounds sapped of self confidence, not to mention energy if she is not getting her sleep. I wonder if her holiday without DH at least gave her a glimpse that she would be fine without him. Perhaps you could ask her whether it was better than life with him at home.

You are right, this is not how loving couples behave. Not in the least.

LolaHasGoneOnHoliday · 10/09/2010 15:17

Thanks, ladies. As I thought.

templemaiden, would you really make a six-year-old who needs a poo wait while you're in the bath? A grown-up who'd been given fair warning, maybe, and if a child just needed a wee, they could clench for a bit/pee in the garden perhaps, but a poo? I think that's pretty unreasonable too, to be honest.

Redeeming qualities? Not many at the moment, I don't think! He cooks quite a few meals - but then that's just doing your bit, isn't it? In terms of niceness to the kids and to my friend, I'm still waiting to hear of some!

Thanks again.

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LolaHasGoneOnHoliday · 10/09/2010 15:27

I cross-posted with you, conflicted. I've read something similar to that before, and it's tragic, isn't it?

Perhaps I wasn't clear in my first post: my friend didn't go away without her husband. He wanted them to spend the whole summer at their house abroad, even though she felt it was too long for her/the children. While there, he pursued his own hobby most of the time and spent time with friends while she looked after the children, and when they left, he would go to bed or give her an earful. She was very badly bitten by bugs, including three wasp stings at the same time, and he gave her zero sympathy or support; didn't ask once how she was, or if he could get her something for the bites.

He does go away with work from time to time though, and she seems more relaxed at these times: she lets the house get a bit messy, the kids can be their normal noisy, lively selves and she can play with them without worrying she'll be judged for fussing over them too much.

She has said she can't imagine being with him still in five years' time if he's still like he is now, which is encouraging - in that she will either expect him to change or will leave, but won't be continuing to put up with this for much longer, I don't think. Yay!

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Coolfonz · 10/09/2010 15:29

He's a cunt.

chippy47 · 10/09/2010 15:31

CAUC. She needs to leave to discover how happy she could be without him. Easier said then done without knowing the person. From experience couples in bad relationships, or at least one of couple, are always the last to realise how bad it really is (maybe not from his point of view though).
It is incredibly petty to deny anyone the use of the bathroom (esp a child) because you are using it -who the fuck does he think he is? And as for calling his son a fucking dickhead - what can you say -he may not have said it directly but kids hear things you think they do not and he will one day. Wrong wrong wrong -the kids got no or little chance of growing up with a good attitude and respect for others. And he gets sex on tap at 5am in the morning.
He is a prick of dinosaur proportions and making 3 people miserable whilst acting out this charade of a family.
He should have a chance to change (just the one) but the chances of this are remote. Tell your friend it is not just the woman on here who think like this.

MadAboutQuavers · 10/09/2010 15:40

Jesus H Christ.

"Now's not the time to grow a backbone"????

Doesn't that just speak volumes about how little he thinks of her...

Where the hell did he develop his sense of entitlement? He obviously thinks its fine to bully just to get, or say, whatever the fuck he wants, whenever the fuck he wants.

What complete and utter pondlife he is.

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Anniegetyourgun · 10/09/2010 15:40

Wonder if he's poking this "female friend" he gets drunk and talks about HER with. That might give her the impetus in a way that mere abuse often doesn't... Are you evil enough to suggest it?

LolaHasGoneOnHoliday · 10/09/2010 15:47

I have suggested that he and this friend are too close. I'm quite relaxed about male/female friendships when there's a relationship/marriage involved, BUT there is a line not to be crossed - i.e. not staying up into the small hours with this person having fun, but sulking and moping around your wife and going to bed before the kids (at 7pm!), and definitely not discussing the intimacies of your marriage with said friend. There's possibly an emotional affair going on here, if nothing else.

Sense of entitlement - good phrase. That's what he has going on, isn't it?

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mumonthenet · 10/09/2010 16:22

Order the book The Verbally Abusive Relationship by Patrica Evans (get it on Amazon). Or The Angry and Controlling Man by Lundy Bancroft. Or both.

Invite her round to your house, shut her in your sitting room with a cup of tea and these books. Take her kids out for a couple of hours so that she can read the books in peace and safety.

Ripeberry · 10/09/2010 16:33

Sorry, but your friend needs to get out quick before he gets worse.
He is not willing to listen to her, he is jealous of the kids (not normal) and he wants sex on his own terms (very selfish).

If she is not out in a couple of years then it will get much, much worse Sad

AnyFucker · 10/09/2010 17:07

what kind of fuckhead tells his wife to spend less time with the kids and more servicing his dick ?

this bloke needs a fucking good kicking, to be quite honest

Sidge · 10/09/2010 17:30

I would leave him.

That's not a healthy relationship and no-one deserves to be treated like that. I can't imagine being with someone who has no respect for me or affection for our children.

It's actually made me really sad to read it. How ground down must your friend be to stay living with a man like that.

hairytriangle · 10/09/2010 17:47

She and the children are being badly abused. She is being sexually, emotionally and possibly financially, abused.

She needs to leave him, she does not deserve to be treated this way.

templemaiden · 10/09/2010 18:06

"templemaiden, would you really make a six-year-old who needs a poo wait while you're in the bath? A grown-up who'd been given fair warning, maybe, and if a child just needed a wee, they could clench for a bit/pee in the garden perhaps, but a poo? I think that's pretty unreasonable too, to be honest."

Don't want to get into an argument about this but maybe the friend's dh takes unreasonably long baths. I know I could easily hold a poo for 15 minutes or so (which is the average time I or my dh take in the shower)and no one has ever had any accidents while waiting for me.

Also there is the issue of at what age is it no longer appropriate for a child to see an adult naked - which is a whole other issue.

I certainly would not want my daughter seeing my dh naked in the shower and he would be 100% against it also.

But I am not about to take over this thread on this discussion so shall not post any further now that I have replied to your question - please feel free to start another separate thread if you feel it necessary to take this up with me further.

Miggsie · 10/09/2010 18:14

She needs to spend time with people in a normal relationship. My friend left her DP after she ended up staying with us (complicated flight delays) for some time and she later said "when I saw how the two of you were together and how your DH treated you as a person I realised how completed cocked up my relationship was."

Families where 4 people live in a house but only 1 is entitled to be happy or have their needs met, just stink.

LolaHasGoneOnHoliday · 10/09/2010 19:03

Thanks very much for further posts - all really useful.

There is a conspicuous absence of he-sounds-like-an-OK-bloke posts, which is telling.

I am considering sharing this thread with my friend tomorrow.

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LittleMissHissyFit · 10/09/2010 19:19

OMG, is he Egyptian? ... sounds like what my DH would be like if I let him....

He HATES her doesn't he? Now's not the time to grow a backbone????,

sticking his cock in a sheet?? I'd be sticking his cock in a fecking blender more like....

seriously, she needs to have him shot pack his bags.

Please ask your friend to sign up and post herself, tell her we will help her with everything, she needs to get him out of her life.

Poor, poor woman. - give her a from me, would you Lola?

LittleMissHissyFit · 10/09/2010 19:22

AF, love your style as ever, a woman of few words, but to the jugular point every time! Wink

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