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Please come and assure my friend that her husband should NOT be treating her and their children like this

44 replies

LolaHasGoneOnHoliday · 10/09/2010 11:40

I have a lovely friend who's at a crossroads in her marriage. She's been increasingly unhappy with her husband since their eldest child (6) was born, but in that classic way, when things very steadily worsen, it's easy to either not notice or to question if it is actually that bad.

She talks about her situation a lot and I listen - and also bang on endlessly about how the way he's treating her and the kids really isn't OK, and that she's worth so much more. I must sound a bit like a stuck record sometimes, although we are close and I think I am ultimately helping.

Anyway, because she's ended up feeling a bit low and a shadow of herself after a whole summer of his nonsense, I thought if I list some of her husband's behaviour on here, some of you might have some wise words of support to help her see that it is not right and that she is 100% not to blame for this, and any advice on what she might do next. Then, depending on how the thread pans out, I thought I might share it with her to bolster her.

So ...

  • Her husband has described their son (to her - not to his face) as a f*cking dickhead/twat
  • He spends NO hands-on time with the children at all
  • He tells their two-year-old to get out of his face
  • They have one toilet in the house, in the family bathroom, and he takes a bath after work. If his DS (6) needs a poo while he's in the bath, he won't let him in and makes him wait
  • This summer, he said to my friend something along the lines of, "I mean, what are you actually any good at?"
  • He tells my friend that she should leave their children to their own devices (they're 2 and 6) and spend more time on him and their relationship. Because he does nothing with the kids, she feels like she overcompensates with them a bit although, to any onlooker, she seems like any normally engaged and interested mum
  • He goes to his female best friend's house at least one evening a week until late, getting drunk and talking about all sorts - including his marital gripes. This friend has then also laid into my friend about the same stuff (stop fussing over the kids so much, give him more sex, etc)
  • He regularly comes in from work and goes straight to bed before the children - and then wakes his wife up for sex at 5am
  • He complains that she just isn't interested enough in sex (which is almost always initiated by him a few hours before she would normally get up). She - understandably - doesn't want to be intimate with him, given how he treats her and the kids. He woke her up yesterday morning for sex at 5am. She obliged. He then said as he left early for work: "That's exactly what I'm talking about. I might as well be sticking my cock in a hole in the sheet."
  • She spent the whole summer holidays abroad at their holiday home at his insistence and inevitably felt isolated and unsupported while he did his own thing the whole time. He then complained at her for being ungrateful and miserable.
  • He doesn't like any of her friends.
  • When she has tried to talk to him about these problems and how she'd like to be treated, he turns it on to her: she needs to be less miserable, more interested in him/sex, do less with the kids, be more grateful and appreciative of all the hard work he does, etc. And recently when she stood up for herself, he said, "Now's not the time to grow a backbone." She hasn't even suggested counselling, which she'd be willing to do, because she knows he won't do it.

... you get the picture.

So come on, ladies - tell me how very much more she is worth (and the kids too) than this. Come and tell me how lovely husbands worth having treat their wives and children - and even how much better it is to be on your own than dealing with this every day.

And if you were her, what would you do at this crossroads?

OP posts:
LolaHasGoneOnHoliday · 10/09/2010 19:55

Thanks, LittleMissHissyFit.

OP posts:
SkylineDrifter · 10/09/2010 20:48

He's a bastard. She should dump him, then screw him for every penny she can get.

sungirltan · 10/09/2010 20:56

how awful for your friend.

i dont like the making the child wait to use the toilet ffs you put a flannel over your bits and tell them to hurry up!

sounds like he actually despises her and has ground her down until she thinks she's worthless. no one with any self respect would feel 100% ok aobut their dp getting pissed with a female friend and bitching about them! the female friend needs to have a word with herself too! what kind of woman tells another woman she isnt putting out enough??

is anyone else thinking npd? he's certainly behaving like a horrid spoilt little weasel.

mind you its common. chages the ages of the kids and make them younger by 2 years and its my friend too :-(

Devendra · 10/09/2010 20:59

He is indeed a cunt. Get rid lady.

freedomfrom · 10/09/2010 21:00

Google emotional abuse. He is it.

There is a thread on here NPD / Abusive partner - Recovery thread. Worth her checking it out I think... she will get the info she needs to leave and hopefully the reason too.

Minxie1977 · 10/09/2010 21:11

What is quite sad is his female friend agreeing and backing up his vile behaviour! Is she in love with him - must be love tinted goggles - surely no other woman would advocate this behaviour - especially toward another woman Confused

MadAboutQuavers · 10/09/2010 21:13

"a family of 4 where only 1 is getting their needs met"

... That just about sums up why something has to change in your friends life. As far as he's concerned, he's the only one that matters. She shouldn't waste her life being treated like shite.

dizietsma · 10/09/2010 21:20

Your poor, poor friend Sad

He sounds intensely selfish and self absorbed.

His best friend sounds like either she wants to be doing him, is doing him or is just about the biggest bitch that ever existed. Of course, she's only getting his side of it, but honestly that's no fecking excuse. As if she has any bloody right to tell her friends wife how often and how she should have sex with him!

If even one of the things you described happened in my relationship (barring the controversial poo incident, which isn't so bad, but contextually certainly emblematic of a selfish patten of behaviour), I would seriously be considering whether there was any future in the relationship.

Definitely second the suggestion to get her The Verbally Abusive Relationship and Why Does He Do That and then take her kids out of an afternoon so she can flick through them.

Give her a great big hug from me too. No one deserves this treatment.

BarbieLovesKen · 10/09/2010 21:25

Oh dear. Sad

Sorry, I've only read op.

My dh can be a complete and utter prick at times. Honestly - really bad but after reading this he looks like a fantastic catch.

No woman or child deserves this disgusting treatment. I'd imagine that her confidence and self worth is shot to pieces particulary with comments like the hole in the sheet one. Bollix - how dare he have so little respect.

Am very upset about making child wait to poo. Sad

Im usually very, very against joining the mumsnet brigade who automatically, at every incident, scream "leave him". I find that piece of advice is thrown about at a bit of a ridicuous rate and amount. I have to say though (and sadly) that in this instance thats the advice I'd give. This woman deserves so much more, as do her children. A man who has it in him to behave like this is never, ever going to change no matter how much you want him to or believe he will.

strandedatsea · 10/09/2010 21:25

Hi Lola - I have had experience of supporting a close friend while she left her very emotionally abusive husband, although the difference was that she had already decided to leave him when I first got to know her. Leaving him wasn't easy though - he was extremely controlling of everything including their finances so she had to plan everything in great detail (they have two small children). Anyway. The best thing you can do at the moment is be a good, supportive friend. Of course, from what you have written, she needs to leave him - but she is the one who needs to make that decision. You can help her by gently reminding her of how appallingly he is treating their children and what the long-term affect will be. Emotional and practical support from you and any other friends/family she has will be immensely important, she will probably have very little confidence in herself so you can reassure her that she can do this.

In the meantime here is the blog my friend wrote about her relationship - and how she got out: here

Pioneer · 10/09/2010 21:26

What AnyFucker said.

Givenchy · 10/09/2010 22:05

No way would I allow h to wake me up at 5am and demand sex. Not only would it be like shagging a hole in the sheet, it would be like shagging a coma victim!

Gay40 · 11/09/2010 01:11

He needs telling to fuck off, and when he gets there, buy a t-shirt saying fuck off, and fuck off again.
While he's fucking off, she needs to ring a locksmith and a roll of binbags for his stuff.

Pioneer · 11/09/2010 09:52

Grin at Gay40 - couldn't have put it better myself!

zukiecat · 13/09/2010 18:27

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clam · 13/09/2010 18:46

Bloody Hell!

Not often I'm lost for words...

Taghain · 14/09/2010 15:10

If I were her, I'd chuck him out. It sounds as if he's slowly destroying her and his children. Every one of the incidents above sounds dreadful, each almost a deal-breaker in itself.

(As for the poo story, what's the problem? We've all changed nappies, I've certainly bathed with DCs up to the age of 8 or so, held them while we're on the loo, etc. DD was embarrassed at 11 or so when she had pinworms and an itchy bum that needed checking, though )

highlandspringerdog · 14/09/2010 15:24

JEsus Christ almighty! What an absolutely horrible bully. OF course she should leave him immediately. APart from her own happiness, it is of paramount importance that her children are not raised with this relationship as a model for their own, or this man as a role model. Ask your friend if she thinks seeing her being treated like this is making her children happy?
UTter insanity to allow her children to see her be treated like this! Now most certainly IS the time to grow a back bone. Those poor children only have one proper parent: your friend. She cannot rely on him to make appropriate decisions regarding their welfare, and so, although it is wholly unfair, she has to do that all on her own. And that means kicking this fucker to the kerb ASAP.

And re the toilet / bath point - i wouldn't make a 6 yo wait while i lay in the bath, i'd just open the blinking door! And i think templemaiden you sound a bit odd! Not letting your child see DH naked is also so weird. But like you say, for another thread if anyone cares that much!

msboogie · 14/09/2010 16:27

This is one of the worst stories I have read on here lately.

"Now's not the time to grow a backbone"????,

he hates her and he hates his kids.

No counslling, no talking, no nothing. JUST LEAVE. Get the hell out.

I understand that your friend might be worn down by years of abuse but she really does need to grow that backbone now because this monster is infecting every fibre of her childrens' being whether they are in the direct firing line or not.

Abusing the mother (or father) = abusing the children.

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