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So depressed...help!!

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soverign21 · 07/08/2010 22:30

i'm a bit of a lurker on here but i have decide to ask for advice because im so down and feel so alone atm

I have recently spilt from my dp of 11 years, we have 4 children together aged 7, 3, 2 and 6 months
3 weeks ago i was very down as we werent spending any time together as he was out every night round his friends house and telling me he was spending time with his mate and his mates sister (which i was very jealous about and thought something was going on), he doesnt work as he quit his job a year ago saying it was making him depressed (something which he does quite often) and has made NO effort to find another one, he doesnt help with the kids prefering to sleep half the day away, spend the rest of it on the computer then go to his friends once the dc have gone to bed, so when i told him how i felt we decided to part with him staying here till he found somewhere else, after 3 days it was unberable being near him as i love him so much still and we ended up in bed which confused our situation so we had a talk and i explained how i was feeling and how all i wanted was to spend time with him, alone when the dc went to bed and for him NOT to go out every night, he agreed and said he loved me and didnt want to lose me.
This was ok for 2 nights then he went out with his mates and the next night even though he'd promised we could snuggle up for a film together, the next day i asked him to stay in he said fine then his mate rings and he says he's going out so i went beserk, told him to leave and i didnt want to be with him, i thought i was doing the right thing and that it was what i wanted, that the relationship had run its course, so off he went to stay with his sister
when he first went i tried contacting him to see the dc, he came twice for an hour, wouldnt talk to me or look at me so i told him to take a week out to sort his head out
After the week was up he came and he said he'd see the kids more and help me out but we shouldnt get back together but be friends and i agreed.
We were getting along brilliantly but after he left id be in pieces, i found myself questioning my abiity to cope with the children on my own and everything else and my friends seem to have abandond me, everytime i call their busy and i also dont feel i can tell them how im really feeling as they say im better off without him, i was like a single mum anyway, i also cant talk to my mum as she thinks i should have got rid of him years ago
But i cant stop thinking about him not just for the sake of the kids but i still love him very deeply, when he comes round if im upset he hugs me and says he's my friend and i can talk to him anytime
So yesterday when he came round i was in a state as i had a dream where he proposed to me and i was so happy then i woke up and reality hit like a sledge hammer and i was devastated i spent nearly the entire day in tears so when he came and asked what was wrong i told him, he hugged me and said it was strange as i never wanted to get married and i said my feelings had changed years ago and that i would have jumped at the chance of marrying him, he became very quiet and after half an hour with the kids he left with the hump, he later text me and said he'd learned more about my feelings since we split than in the whole time we were together and that had made him sad and the whole marriage thing had made him ask what if?
So last night i text and asked if we needed to talk and he said no and im not proud of this as i had been drinking but i text him and said he clearly never loved me and he repiled by saying he loved me once but not anymore
I am devestated, absolutely gutted, i never thought he had stopped loving me and i replied by saying some very hurtful things
I text to apologise this morning and he wont talk to me he was very nasty in what he wrote back and wont see the dc atm
I am so depressed and lonley and im feeling very guilty about everything especially the kids but when he did come he spent most of the time talking to me rather than quality time with them, i really want him to see them as much as possible but i dont see how this situation is going to change, i accept that i have to be an adult and deal with this whilst he sees the kids and im fully prepared to do that even though it hurts me very much but i just dont know what to do anymore the kids are missing him so much and he wont respond to my messages about when he's going to see them
i feel ive messed up big time and i should just have kept my mouth shut and let him get on with it
i dont know what to do to make this right and i have no one to talk to...anyone...someone please help me

im sorry this is so long but im very very lonley and need to get this out...thanks for taking the time to read this i really appreciate it

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AlisonDubois · 07/08/2010 22:40

OMG...what the hell do you see in this plank?
Honestly, I thought my DH was bad, but your 'partner', if you can call him that sounds atrocious...like my 1st DH only 10 times worse.
How can you possibly want to stay with this idiot. He cares for nobody but himself.
FGS, get him out of your life!
Trust me, others will be along soon...and they will NOT be telling you to keep this twat in your life.

LucyLouLou · 07/08/2010 22:54

You, sweetheart, are a victim of an overgrown child. Your XP cares very little for anyone besides himself and I find it quite surprising that you have been able to put up with him long enough to have four children with him.

If he was any kind of man, he would understand that your feelings have been hurt and your self esteem shattered. He would not be hugging you or dangling carrots in front of you and then going off in a huff because things weren't going exactly the way he wanted.

Believe me, you are better off without him. Easy to say, not so easy to feel, I know that, but keep saying that to yourself every day. Eventually, you will truly believe it.

Stay away from this man. Please. For your own sake as well as your DCs sakes. He is not worth your tears. Hug your children and tell them you love them. They and you are the ones who matter now.

Big hugs to all of you :).

Tippychoocks · 07/08/2010 22:57

Can only add that he seems a complete git and that it would be easier on your own than having that kind of stress and upset in your life.

whatifihadneverbothered · 07/08/2010 23:07

Hi Sovering,

What can I say, Alison is right though you are better off without him. He sounds like he needs to do a lot of growing up, however I don't think he will tbh, he has said that he did love you but he doesn't anymore, I'm sorry to be blunt but he wants a single life, not a family.

It hurts like hell I know, but you need to put yourself and your kids first, he obviously won't, when a breakup happens you go through the whole range of emotions, it's like a bereavement, at the moment you are full of regrets as you still love him, however anger will soon kick in and you will be able to see him for what he is a useless twat.

There are so many of us on here that have been through what you are going through, and they all give excellent advice, so post on here and they will support you.

Fontella · 07/08/2010 23:11

Hi there

First of all I have to ask how have you 'messed up big time'? Reading your post, it seems to me he's the one who has messed up! He stopped working a year ago and hasn't even attempted to find another job, spends half the day in bed, doesn't help with the kids, and goes out with his mates all the time. He sounds like a real catch!

Sorry to be so harsh but he sounds like a complete waste of space to me.

On top of that he's blowing hot and cold with you (and there's nothing worse) - one minute he's telling you he loves you and doesn't want to lose you, next minute he's telling you he doesn't love you and wants out. One minute he's staying in, then a mate phones and he's going out. Then when he's supposed to be spending 'quality time' with the kids he managed half an hour or an hour at best before going off with 'the hump'.

I'm sorry to say, I'm with your mum on this. You're better off without. I've been with a man like this myself in the past, and all that kind of behaviour does is throw you completely off balance, destabilise you, make you anxious and depressed because you never know what's coming next, destroys your confidence, and makes you blame yourself (which is what you are doing) because you never know from one day to the next how he's going to be, what he's going to do or say. Those kind of relationships just make you into an emotional and physical wreck and that's not 'Iove', no matter how much we tell ourselves we 'love' them. It's anything but. Trouble is, when you're embroiled in it it's impossible to see .. and it's only when you step away that you can begin to see what the relationship really consists of, and that is you have been living with a man who won't work, won't help, lies in bed half the day, and prefers spending time with his mates rather than with you and your children.

You're beating yourself up for losing your temper, saying you should 'keep your mouth shut' and seeing this as being your fault somehow, when it's clear to anyone reading this, that a man like this would test the patience of a saint!

You say you love him, but clearly the way he behaves and treats you isn't making you happy. You've got a huge amount on your plate with four children under 7, and I find it appalling that the person you live with thinks it's ok to lie in bed, not work, not help you in anyway, and go out with his mates all the time. I'd have kicked his arse out of the door a long time ago, I'm afraid, but then I'm not you.

If you want my advice, I'd stop with all the texting and phoning and just go 'no contact' for a while. Just let him get on with it doing what he does. If he wants to see the kids he'll contact you soon enough and if he does come over to see them, don't engage him in conversation but let the kids spend time with him and just keep out of the way. You say you're 'feeling guilty' about the kids, but I'm hot quite sure why? You're not the one lying in bed all day, not looking after them and going out all the time. You are there for them which is more than can be said for your other half. And whatever you do, if he does come over, don't end up in bed with him!!!

Regardless of whether you've lost your rag with him on occasion or done a bit of drunk texting or got tearful - none of those things are anything to feel guilty about. He's the one who should be feeling guilty for being a lazy, self-centred, immature ... well I won't go on.

You've got to find a bit of strength from somewhere (I know it's hard) and the first step of that is 'no contact'. Don't text or ring him (if he contacts you about the children then fine, but don't let the discussion drift onto your relationship). In the meantime just focus on yourself and your children. You can't do a great deal about things like dreams, and feeling down at the moment but all that does pass as you grow stronger and I'm sure I won't be the only one to tell you that.

feddup · 07/08/2010 23:54

Whatever you do Dont text or call the knob again and busy yourself with the kids, when theyr back at school fill ur time up with something (maybe a new course or hobby). If he calls you let him no ur really busy and dont have the time to talk so hed better hurry up and spurt his crap. If he wants to see the kids he can but sorry you should completely go cold turkey on him and remember hes a twat he doesnt deserve your love or care, save it for someone better! And you can make new friends so dont worry just remember lots of ppl been there done that and come out the other side MUCH happier so look forward to your future!!

soverign21 · 07/08/2010 23:54

Thank you all so much!!

I cried when i read what you have wrote, firstly because someone replied and secondly because i know you are all right.

I have spent our entire relationship trying to make him happy, he was there for me through a very bad part of my life and i feel if it wasnt for him i wouldnt be here today, so i feel i owe him alot and that is why i am doubting wether i can do this without him

Your right about everything my self esteem is non existent, i keep asking myself who would want someone with 4 kids and as much emotional baggage as i carry and i am blaming myself for everything that has gone wrong.
I feel i messed up because he was coming to see the kids and now he isnt and thats the main thing i want..for him to see his kids, i feel i was being selfish thinking about my feelings and not putting the DC's feelings first which is what i should have done

And i am going to take your advice fontella, it will be hard but im not going to contact him about the kids, he know where they live and that he can see them whenever he wants for as long as he wants

I'm normaly a very strong person who everyone comes to with their problems so to the people that know me i should just take it in my stride and not be a mess, it's not normal for me to be like this so i cant say to them im hurt and overwhelmed

I'm very grateful that i can say it on here

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LucyLouLou · 08/08/2010 00:05

I'm so glad you've come back and commented tonight, and I'm really pleased you've found some strength from the support you have already gotten here, and that you will continue to get here. I'm adding this thread to my watchlist so that if you ever have a weak moment and you just need to know someone is listening, I'll notice it. I'm positive I won't be the only one either.

You've done so well to get this far already. Stay strong, you sound like a really amazing mum :).

Fontella · 08/08/2010 00:05

Soverign

These posts might seem harsh, but you know what everyone has written is right. We've only got your post to go on, but just reading that it's crystal clear that you are not the one who should be feeling guilty, upset and depressed over this di... - well I won't say it - but I'd like to!

I was in a very similar situation to you once and 'I loved him' or so I thought. Then one day I found myself telling everything to an old guy at work, bawling my eyes out and rambling on, until he stopped me midflow (and I'll never forget it) in a very broad Scottish accent lol - Why don't you just go and lie down by your front door and let him wipe his feet on you when he comes in.' I was so taken aback and it took a while to sink in .. until I realised 'doormat'!

That bloke saved me, and six years on I'm still single, still at home with my two kids, and although it's not easy it's a hell of a lot better than it was!

Patienceobtainsallthings · 08/08/2010 00:18

Fontella such good advice ...

LittleMissHissyFit · 08/08/2010 00:18

you have some wonderful advice from some fabulous mnetters here, we'll get you through this. Stay strong, stay away from him. Life will only get better when he's no longer a part of it.

ItsGraceActually · 08/08/2010 03:01

Soverign, I know how much it hurts even though the guy is plainly a complete twat. Even your friends have told you so - he must be bad; friends normally sit on the fence as long as they can! All the same, there's some grieving to be gone through and I think you should make allownaces for yourself. Run a deep bath, take a glass of wine in there and cry. Let yourslef hug the pillow at night & feel mopey ... you know.

On the same theme but more positively, the best thing you can do is treat yourself extremely well :) You've spent 11 years twisting yourself out of shape to try & meet his pathetic needs, not to mention devoting yourself to your lovely children. Now turn some of that good lovin' on yourself - you're worth it, you deserve, and you DO know how to make YOU happy! Rope the kids in, too Grin

Take care.

TDiddy · 08/08/2010 07:21

what Fontella said....very sorry to hear and hope that you find the strength to move on

soverign21 · 08/08/2010 13:37

Thanks everyone for the support i really need it

I keep coming back on here and reading what i wrote and what everyone has said and it's giving me the strength NOT to call him, he still hasnt asked to see our DC and it's driving me insane, i would lay down my life for my children and nothing would keep me away from them so i'm really struggling to understand why he wont see them, i told him i'd go out or upstairs out of the way so why doesnt he want to see them ggrrrrrr Angry

Rereading everything also helps me see what i have done for him and that he seems to be a very childish, selfish person who doesnt deserve what i have to offer but it also makes me want to defend him and make excuses like i normally do but i'm currently fighting the urge

I have been writing things down to get them out of my head rather than dwelling on things too much and that also seems to be helping

The sad thing is the DC have barely noticed that he's not here, if they have asked they just say "is daddy at his friends?" they just dont seem too fussed about it :(

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LucyLouLou · 08/08/2010 15:03

Your DCs not noticing your XP is not there speaks volumes. The guy is a twat. Please stay strong and always come back here if you need a pick up. You're doing so well already.

Sorry I can't post for longer, gotta head out for a bit, but I hope you're okay today :).

kayah · 08/08/2010 15:28

You are under enormous stress. In best of times looking after 4 kids is tough.

A lot of good advise here.

Is he still living with you guys yet not contributing?

soverign21 · 08/08/2010 17:57

He's not living with us anymore Kayah, i couldnt handle him being here and us not together so he is now at his sisters not contributing

The kids do miss him Lucyloulou but they just so used to him not being here its normal for them, this is the longest he's been away from them since they were born :(
still cant shake the feeling this is my fault...hope it doesnt last too long i dont like to feel like this

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moondog · 08/08/2010 18:07

Your fault??
Sorry but are you fucking mad??

This bloke is a prize cock.How can you say you love him? What has he done for you or your children.
Jesus!

Karmamama01 · 08/08/2010 19:10

When a relationship breaks down in divorce. No one thing or person can be totally to blame.

Always two sides to the story. However, in this case. Sounds like he is a waste of space. You are better off without him.

AlisonDubois · 08/08/2010 20:31

If you start to have doubts, take a sheet of paper and make a list of advantages for staying with him. Then do another one for advantages of not being with him.
Can guarantee the 2nd list will be longer...might actually run to a few pages from what I've read about him.
Then everytime you feel yourself weakening, whip out your lists to give you a wake up call.

soverign21 · 09/08/2010 21:13

No tears today :o

but....am getting very very angry, he still hasnt been in touch about seeing the DC and it's really pissing me off, if he wants to mug me off and not speak to me then so be it but YOU DO NOT DO THAT TO MY KIDS Angry

they are innocent in all of this and dont deserve to be treated this way but by pissing me off he's making a big mistake on his part.

I'm normally a strong opinionated person with everything that is thrown my way in life and im starting to feel that i hit rock bottom but that im now on my way back up unfortunately for him that means im getting my fight back and seeing as he doesnt love me anymore i wont be pussyfooting around him trying to keep him happy anymore (am really hoping this resolve lasts if he does come round)

I am making plans to sort my life out, i need to pull myself together and give my kids a good life (especially if he's not going to be in theirs) and im starting by going through the entire house and boxing and bagging up everything he owns or reminds ME of the good times we did have once in a while, of course i will keep somethings for the DC but thats it

I must admit that it has been easier for me to deal with things w/out him being around or speaking to him on the phone, i have stuck to not calling him but have had to fight it at times especially now im anrgy but im getting there.

AlisonD the letter thing is a great idea and im definately going to do that thank you

Moondog you may be pleased to hear im no longer feeling guilty about him not coming round i'm now of the thinking that it's his own fault that he hasnt seen them :)

thank you everyone for your support, i really think without it i would still be sitting on the sofa crying my eyes out xx

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soverign21 · 10/08/2010 17:58

and now im down again :(

Tonight i was cooking dinner and my DD was in the living room and it sounded like she had started to choke on something, so automatically without thinking i shouted "chris, quick" and it immediately hit me that he wasnt here, so i went and dealt with her, finished cooking dinner for the other DC, then took myself off outside for a ciggerette and a cry

I dont like this at all, for all his faults if something happened like that he was there, helping me and now i gotta do it on my own, it's made me very sad

Still no word from him on seeing the DC either, im fast losing any respect i had left for him as i thought he loved our DC and would never be parted from them, guess i dont know him as well as i thought :(

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soverign21 · 11/08/2010 22:51

meltdown today
made a big mistake this morning i put on facebook that i was sick of the kids asking for their dad and that he needed to be a man and step up told him he was a prick and needed to come see his kids
it turned into world war 3 fb style said he didnt come to see the kids cause of me and that id lied to him the entire relationship cause i didnt tell him i wanted to marry him and how dare i accuse him of cheating, i responded and at the end of every sentence stated that i wanted him to come see his kids
needless to say i am now deleted from his fb, that left me feeling like shit and i spent most of the day crying, i then text him and told him that as soon as i can im going away for a while and he could use someone else to arrange visits when i get back he just said "thats it runaway like i have a choice", so i told him his choice was he could have the kids while i went away alone
ignored that but said he'd come see the kids tomorrow, which is great, im going to stand by the front door and when he comes in the back i'll go out then he will call when he's ready to leave.
was feeling quite pleased about that till later a when DS2 started acting out and trashed the house, totally ignoring whatever i said or did, que meltdown i just couldnt deal with it at all then ended up sobbing while cleaning up
i need a break away but cant do it with 4 kids and no car and EP wont have them so im stuck.

just wanted to vent, so thought id do it here

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teaandcakeplease · 14/08/2010 19:38

Hello Soverign. I think most of your partners behaviour stems out of his depression. Looking at his behaviour it does seem similar to several people I know who suffered depression. Not all of it though, he does sound like he has some growing up to do and responsibilties as a father he needs to step up to.

Real depression can cause a man to loose interest in work and family life. They can feel hopeless, helpless, irritable and intolerant of others, a lack of motivation and little interest in things and various difficulties in the home and family life go hand in hand.

So the truth is if you are suddenly hoping now you're separated that his attitude is going to change as he'd have a reality check, it probably won't. This is IF it is genuine depression and not laziness or selfishness? Sad But then again his attitude won't change if it's those instead either Sad

Not being bothered to see the kids or turn up for a meeting about you both is likely to be part and parcel of his whole attitude. He also may have a little more way to go before he hits rock bottom and he may react in a variety of ways whilst he gets there.

The truth is he needs to go to his GP and get some help and counseling. Otherwise he will remain in this rut.

However, hard as it is after 11 years together, you need to look after yourself and the children and try to detach from him at this time.

In an ideal world if he wasn't depressed, all these issues could have been overcome between you with some good counseling from Relate. However in this situation I truly do not think it could be successful because of his general attitude and issues. Please stop tying yourself in knots about him and what has happened as others have said(easier said than done).

I can't help wondering whether something in your past when growing up is also a factor in why you are so quick to blame yourself and feel guilty for this whole situation? As others are completely right this isn't something you should feel guilty about. Fontella speaks such sense and is so right as well.

I know you want a stable father figure for your kids but (as I often say on peoples threads and was also quoted to me when deciding to divorce my cheating husband) it is equally important that your children see their mother being treated with love and respect, both by a partner and by herself.

The message we send to our children when we sell ourselves short by accepting far far less than we should can have a profound impact in how they see themselves as adults and their expectations from relationships.

You do your children no favours by perpetuating this situation. At the least, they will understand that their mother values herself too highly to be treated poorly, and this is a far greater example to set for them.

I had an ex who cheated on me as I said, and towards the end I became so focussed on trying to salvage the relationship, I realised that I stopped asking myself whether I actually wanted to be with him until someone on mumsnet challenged me Smile

I know it's much harder because of the children, but seriously, if you had to describe the kind of partner and relationship and father to your kids you would like to have in your life - is he any of those qualities?

When the dust has settled and you have some distance on it that you will see the relationship differently. Everything is clearer in retrospect. For when you give up the fear of losing him, you can calmly evaluate - is this what I want?

Keep being honest with yourself, and try not to make decisions based on fear - they are always our worst choices. You WILL be fine without him, afterall you were already doing most of the childcare anyway.

I cannot blame you for putting something on facebook. I can imagine how angry you were. However I think because of who he is though, he may not make the effort you long for him to with the children. Try to detach as I said. Forge a life out for yourself and the DCs, do things together with your children and try to move on with your life whilst he probably hits rock bottom in his. He is no longer your respondisility, only your lovely DCs are x

AlisonDubois · 14/08/2010 22:25

The longer he leaves it before seeing the DC's, the angrier you will get. That anger is good, you will get him out of your system quicker if you are really pissed at him, as opposed to just missing him.
Whenever a relationship ends, rose tinted glasses come on. When I left my 1st DH I could not stop romanticising our marriage.
But, after a while, I realised how utterly crap and one sided it had been and was relieved that I had finally got out.
His DC's will remember their dad 'abandoning' them. That is his loss.
Stay strong for them and FGS do not take him back. He seems to have not one redeeming feature.
BTW, if you want to let the whole world know what a tosser he is on Facebook, then go for it. He will end up looking bad, not you.