Archers thread #179: Beavers, livestock, ferrets, but nododo! Discuss The Archers here.

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The title started life with @JanglyBeads, whose autocorrect turned 'Oh no, nor do I!' into 'Oh no, nododo I!' on the last thread. For reasons of cowardice/prudence/lack of inspiration and the character limit, I haven't included @BeaLola's even more mysterious autocorrect - her phone had her asking Abdul if he'd always wanted children instead of Neil. Perhaps one of the mooted beavers can be Abdul.

For the first time ever I've added a poll to the OP. Over to you!

Pip, not David

poor Lynxes, think of the indigestion.

I always assumed it meant "wrap up to stay warm!"? There must be some polyglots who could direct us to a Nordic, Central or Southern European derivation.

Was the Ambridge hobhound a lynx?

My North Yorkshire and County Durham relations don't say it! Like the 'Me and X' usage condemned earlier in the thread it's not necessarily regional.

I’ve never thought of Wrap up warm as an instruction! If I say it, to a friend or relative, I actually mean You are very dear to me; have fun and come back safely. Do other people not mean that?

(Warmly would be too formal and would change the intended meaning.)

Really it’s an incantation - words to protect the person while they’re out in the wicked world.

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I've never thought about 'Wrap up warm' before. Yes, I suppose it should be 'warmly' but that doesn't sound right, somehow. My mother would probably still say it to me, and I regard myself as fully functioning.

Yes, but would you say "wrap up warm" to one of your parents' friends or a friend of one of your parents?

Leonard must be between 80 and 85, while Ruth is 57. And he is no relation of hers.

What are you "supposed" to say? Wrap up warmly? I mentioned this over supper and MrG said that just sounds like an over-correction of a colloquial phrase. However, as neither of us would say either, it's not very interesting and the chat soon moved on to something less enormously controversial.

I’m pretty posh southerner and I would say ‘wrap up warm’ - my dad is a northerner though

agree that it isn’t an order but more like ‘mind how you go’ or ‘stay safe’

edited to add I haven’t listened yet and as it was Ruth saying it then it was probably done in a patronising way

Yes of course - it’s a nice thing to say! (And definitely not warmly)

I wouldn't rule it out! I think I agree with Totters: Really it’s an incantation - words to protect the person while they’re out in the wicked world.

Isn’t it a bit odd that the family didn’t make the funeral. Talk about contrived. He could have done a speech anyway

ruth does talk about Leonard as if he’s 5. If I didn’t know who Leonard was I would assume he was a child going off to live with his bio dad. And did we have to hear David and Ruth having that conversation - thoroughly bizarre. And clearly Leonard wanted Jill to beg him to stay.

so which sw has decided to write the old as doddery fools - we had them do it to Jim in scam week and now they’re doing it to Leonard. And he’s sounding more and more like Wallace. More cheese?

and Harrison - he acts like he’s 5. Can see why Ma’am doesn’t want to talk to him - he’s very rude. Please let the initiative be in the outer Hebrides

"Wrap up warm" would be more like small talk to me, and literally would mean to take care to be warm enough while out. I'd say it to anyone of any age of they were heading out in the cold. I don't think Ruth sounded out of place saying it. Scriptwriters finally got some authentic Midlands dialogue!

Given Leonard's reply, I think he was aware Ruth was overstepping a bit. So whether she meant to or not, she did.

She’d been talking to him like he was a child throughout and her tone was such that it was infantilising. I assume that was the sw recognising the fact she was acting that way

I’m so bewildered by this Leonard story - I thought they had a chat the other day and he didn’t want to move in? So why is he so delighted to now?

I think the writing has been pretty good this week though. One thing I’ve really liked is the avoidance of the usual tendency to string out any misunderstanding for ages and ages (classic soap tactic) which I hate. But this week instead you had Jolene and Kenton being idiots one day, the whole thing cleared up the next. Leonard’s planning to go to Singapore - oh no he’s not.

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I would say wrap up warm because I care about the person and it would be the way I would say it, as I'm from South London.
Most people would say it like that, and to be honest I don't care how stuff is pronounced as long as I understand the meaning. TA is not a lesson in bad pronunciation it's just a show.

'it's just a show' 😲
But, but, I'm addicted! 😄

Harrison was happy when he decided to move departments and police wildlife crime, was it last year? Though it was a cut in salary being part-time.
As a pp suggested will he be offered Youth Liason work? His character isn't strong enough for Youth Offenders.
Away from policing, he'd be good at teaching lads from deprived areas how to play cricket (like Freddie Flintoff).

That’s the thing - she needs to get him away from people so actually wildlife policing makes total sense

Harrison was happy when he decided to move departments and police wildlife crime, was it last year?

But he didn't get that role, did he?

Bloody hell Harrison. You are bothering your boss with asking about follow up. Look it up - it will be on the notes.

@Bruisername I don't know for sure but I think wildlife policing still involves people? It's not arresting animals. Although, yes, the victims, wouldn't have to listen to his twaddle.

I honestly don't understand Harrison's character. He's a really shit police officer, who does very little, and has inexplicably risen to sergeant. Is that his character?

Oh I thought he took the role on for a short while but went back to full time for more money, I could be wrong there.

I just find it hard to think of Jill and Leonard as a romantic couple which they are still supposed to be. I slightly tune out when Brookfield is on air so haven’t been paying close enough attention. Do they have separate rooms or share? Do they act like a couple that has been together for 50 years or differently? I don’t really like giving it much thought but Jill sounds too doddery to even make a cup of tea, let alone hold the interest of a younger lover who goes cycling for miles.

There’s no way a couple their age would be sharing a bedroom through choice

i imagine wildlife crime as Harrison wandering through the countryside and emoting about the harms of litter and occasionally interacting with bad people/Kirsty and going into schools to tell kids not to litter

if he became FLO I would imagine he would tell the family way too much and end up encouraging them to create a lynch mob