Archers thread #171: Harvest's nearly over – but will George ever reap what he has sown? Discuss The Archers here.

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All I have to say about current storylines for now is that I want the George Alice crash stuff to come to a resolution, sooner rather than later, and I also want to hear very little indeed of Alistair, Denise and Paul maundering on. More of Jakob would be very welcome. His brother can come back any time too.

I now declare this thread open for business!

That, and the fact that the actor was apparently quite well known (not a household name - Sue Jenkins), so it seemed odd that she was cast for such a tiny amount of airtime. The same applies to a fair number of people who play a tiny role in The Archers, though, so we should probably not read too much into it. Maybe they happen to be in Brum at the point a capable voice actor is needed for an hour or two to record a couple of scenes.

Quite.

It’s Geeowerge, don’t ya know.

Plus the scene where Ed and Emmur up tree spied G visiting Bartleby at Meg's and hugging his neck and talking to him.

Just because it wasn’t to your taste doesn’t mean it was boring. Personally, any televised football match well exceeds GFAS in the boredom stakes

I know George has always lived in Ambridge, but how many times has he moved within Ambridge?

Will and Emma were living in Casa Nueva when he was born. Then as a toddler he was in the unsafe caravan with Emma and Ed. Then he had an accident and Emma and George moved in with Neil and Susan? Then did Emma, Ed and George move in with Clarrie and Eddie? Then George started having overnight visits to Will in Keepers Cottage? Then Nic, Mia and Jake moved in with Will, so George had less space there. Where was George when Emma and Ed split? Then Emma, Ed, George and Keira moved into Little Grange. Then George moved into 1 The Green with Will. Is that right?

Also, was Casa Nueva the same house as 1 The Green?

Clarrie is going to be mooing a lot

Such an excellent description

She and Eddie have been notable by their absence in this debacle. I imagine there will be much hand-wringing from Clarrie (“Oh Wiwyam…”) and much deflection from Eddie (“They’ll be too hard on the lad, he’s only made a mistake, that’s all. And you know they’ll come down harder on the likes of us…”)

Mond you, once this is out I don’t know how any of the Grundy/Carter clan will show their faces in the village, especially if it comes out that Emma and Will had known for some time. That’s the sort of thing that people end up moving away over.

Also, was Casa Nueva the same house as 1 The Green?

No, it was previously the gamekeepers cottage on Home Farm. It still was, it just got renamed after the honeymoon to Mexico.

On uninvited Ws in names, Lily puts one in Paul, and the L is weirdly emphasised as well. Not quite Pawluh but not far off. Irritating

More like Paw-wool?

That is true about football (or any sport) but it was very, very boring.

Ha! And last week he was on Call My Bluff in the same nostalgia-filled BBC4 schedule.

Ed was (mis)led into believing George was his for some time and he was very resentful when it turned out not to be the case but
I think it was Will who was always jealous of the relationship between Ed and George. I’m sure the incident when he half choked Ed to death years ago was sparked by Ed making a throwaway comment about George (I say this as I remember Will shrieking he’s my son as he strangled his brother).

We don’t really know if Ed and George had any kind of bond in the past as we’ve only heard them interacting over the last couple of years but I think it’s fair to say Ed does not think highly of his nephew now. I’d guess this latest storyline might well be the end of Ed n Em as he will want to go straight to the police when he finds out - George called that correctly - and he will be furious Emma kept it all from him.

George has always lived with either both his mother and father (briefly as a baby) or with both of them but in different houses, spending some of each week with each. Ed is relevant only as Emma's partner, Nic was relevant only as Will's partner.

George was born in April 2005 and initially lived at Casa Nueva (which had originally been the house given to the Home Farm shepherd, and then to Greg Turner the Home Farm gamekeeper, before Will) but got taken away from his father in September 2005 and moved into the (perfectly safe) caravan in the yard of Ambridge View with Emma and Ed. In 2006 Emma moved George and herself into Ambridge View because George had pulled a CD rack onto his head at Will's house (why this meant he could no longer live in the caravan escaped me) and Ed went off elsewhere to become addicted to drugs and sleep rough. George was then shared between his mother and his father and lived in both houses. After Ed returned to Emma in July 2008 they started to look hopefully for somewhere to live, and in October 2008 they were rented Rickyard Cottage, where they (and therefore George much of the time) lived until December 2014 when Will let his house at 1, The Green to them at a reduced rent.

In December 2015 Oliver, discovering that the Grundys had been made homeless by Hazel Woolley, asked them to house-sit for him and Caroline (he asked Ed and Emma at first, then added Clarrie, Eddie and Joe when he learned of their crisis) and they have been there ever since.

In 2023 George had a grudge against Hannah, who was renting 1, The Green, and got Will to evict her so Poppy, George and Will could move in there.

So the answer is he has lived in six places, one of them (1, The Green) twice over.

Shouldn't Alistair be looking to purchase a place so he and Denise can <shudder![> have sex?

She won't do it in Jim's house. Surely A isn't sneaking to her place whilst John's still living there.

Are they frequenting hotels?

He is going to move out of his dad's before he's 70. Isn't he?

Jim suggested Alistair might want a place of hus own to be with Denise.

I think vets are quite well paid aren't they? He's been living with Jim for years and must have received a share in the divorce he must have plenty of money to get his own place with or without Denise.

I’m not sure Alistair’s finances would stretch to a house purchase. I was under the impression his gambling episode left him broke. I also don’t think he’d voluntarily leave Jim on his own. Denise will have to find her own place or share with someone in the village. Kirsty seems like an option. Not sure she’d be keen to deal with A&D mooning over each other at the breakfast table though.

I think what might eventually happen is that Jim proposes some kind of arrangement that involves him moving out and Denise moving in. He has shown before that he is happy to facilitate their relationship.

Maybe Jim will move in with Kirsty

Is anyone living in Willow Wotsit - you know next door to where Roy and Kirsty used to live?

As far as I recall there was no reason on earth why Alistair, post-divorce, couldn’t have done the sensible thing and bought a bachelor pad in Borchester, or at least in one of the surrounding villages.

I could sort of understand him squashing in with his dad and Jazzer just for a while, to lick his wounds and do some house hunting - but this prolonged lingering strikes me as completely unreasonable outside the realms of script.

As for leaving Jim alone - the man is a housemate magnet. Didn’t he live with Christine for a while? (Who moved in with whom escapes my memory.) Before Jazzer. If Alistair were to move out the S/Ws would have some needy person ensconced in his room at Jim’s house by the end of the week.

I don’t find it that odd that Alastair lives with his dad. I would quite happily live with my mum (she may not be so happy!!)

I'm guessing Kirsty’s spare room will come into play. Roy will want some rent and maybe hold off selling as he doesn’t need the money atm or thinks it’s a good investment

of course it’s not great for Kirsty to have loves old dream hanging about!

Hasn't Kirsty suffered enough?

As far as I recall there was no reason on earth why Alistair, post-divorce, couldn’t have done the sensible thing and bought a bachelor pad in Borchester, or at least in one of the surrounding villages.

Indeed, @TottersBlanklyIntoThePhysicGarden . I have a vague memory that he had actually found a flat with good views of something or other but was then persuaded by Jim to stay put (after the daft CSA SL), but I could have that completely wrong.

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surely a hotel room would be cheaper than buying a whole house just so he and Denise can have sex?