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Archers thread #114: Bull banished, Bali beaches beckon, bickering bullshitters burgeon

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 13/01/2020 21:48

Archers Thank you, @PseudoBadger, for kicking off this long, long series of Archers threads.

Archers All views on The Archers welcome here! New blood welcomed. We don't all agree on all points and most of us are posting tongue in cheek a lot of the time, so don't worry about revealing that you'd like Gavin to stay around, or other unusual views. Grin

Archers Spoilers: not on this thread, please. We don't wait for the omnibus to discuss the weeknight episodes, but we do try our best to avoid cross-contamination from www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3439443-keep-it-to-yourself-the-archers-spoilers-thread-4, where spoilers are positively welcomed!

Archers For newer listeners, lurkers or those who just have no idea what we're talking about, @DadDadDad has created this useful thread: www.mumsnet.com/Talk/radio_addicts/3557323-For-Archers-fans-a-guide-to-acronyms-on-the-long-running-discussion-threads-and-any-other-meta-thread-questions-you-may-have - BOOP point for him! (See thread for explanation.)

Thanks for all thread title suggestions! I've gone with a B theme which with a bit of luck will seem odd and irrelevant by the end of this thread. Here's hoping, anyway.

Haven't caught up with tonight's episode yet, so off to do that shortly.

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Equanimitas · 29/01/2020 09:18

Compare and contrast the way Roooth orders Josh to sort his life out with the attitude to Pip. Did it never occur to them that a 20 year old setting up in business might need a bit of guidance with sorting out record keeping and accounts?

MabelChiltern1 · 29/01/2020 09:37

Is Josh only 20? Poor wee lamb. I don’t think Ruth likes himConfused

EBearhug · 29/01/2020 09:54

Most farms I know, including the one I grew up on, have several barns. They store grain (though some now use silos), straw, hay, machinery, animals. Even small farms tend to have more than one. It would be quite possible to have one barn burn down and still have other barns left.

R4 · 29/01/2020 09:55

Josh was 22 last September so not so much the "wee lamb".
Know-it-all boys of that age can sometimes be hard to like but Ruth doesn't seem to love him either.

stripeypillowcase · 29/01/2020 09:56

and josh is using one for his business.
doesn't he have a rental contract with david?

CanYouSmellMyCharlie · 29/01/2020 10:22

Bit strange that Pip was absent from last night's episode.

No doubt she's going to have plenty to say about all this Sad

MikeAlphaMike · 29/01/2020 10:31

Maybe it's a bit like stubble-burning - makes room for a strong new growth of barns the following season.

Thanks for that, @theThreeofWeevils , that made me chuckle. grin

@DadDadDad, it can't have been me. Admittedly, I can't stand Pip but I probably have never mentioned it..

Equanimitas · 29/01/2020 11:20

Is Josh only 20?

No, but he was around that age when he started out.

MikeAlphaMike · 29/01/2020 11:28

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2020 11:42

Brookfield in 1917 was a hundred acre farm tenancy, as was Grange Farm. Brookfield had Lakey Hill, suitable only for sheep, as part of it; Grange Farm was on the rich land by the river, and considered better and likely to be more profitable.

Source: The Book of The Archers written by three members of the cast with the blessing of the editorial team in 1994. Information about the various farms is also in Jock Gallagher's 1988 trilogy of novelisations: To the Victor the Spoils, Return to Ambridge and Borchester Echoes.

The TBoTA entry on Brookfield starts with the words "The Archer family had been farming Brookfield for many years as tenants of the Lawson-Hopes when in 1917 Dan Archer, at the age of twenty-one, succeeded his father in the tenancy. The farm was then 100 acres."

When Dan bought his farm during the Lawson-Hope estate sell-up in 1954 it was still 100 acres. He was able to do this because he had always stayed in credit at the bank and had saved money "against a rainy day"as a matter of habit, so he was able to take out a mortgage.

Dan then went into a partnership with another farmer, Fred Barratt, in 1962, and founded "Ambridge Farmers", which lasted until Fred wanted to give up farming and retire. Meanwhile Phil (who had been working as Estate Manager for George Fairbrother, who owned a farm in Ambridge between 1951 and 1959) had bought Allard's Farm, which was also in Ambridge Farmers, and in due time that became part of Brookfield, when Phil, Jill and their four children moved there in 1969.

During the sixties Dan and Phil bought parcels of land whenever they were able to, and gradually increased the size of Brookfield. There was a setback when Dan died and Phil had to sell 55 acres of land to pay death-duties, but between them they increased its size to 469 acres.

Joe Grundy's father George, meanwhile, was a bad farmer who had no money saved against a rainy day and no credit with the bank, so that Joe was unable to buy Grange Farm when the Estate was split up. Over the succeeding years Joe let Grange Farm fall into such a bad state that it became impossible to farm it at a profit, and eventually went bankrupt and was evicted about thirty years after the first notice to leave for non-payment of rent had been delivered to him in 1970.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2020 11:47

There are two barns at Brookfield in The Archers Book of Farming and the Countryside by Anthony Parkin (BBC Books, 1989) and any built since then are not going to be Mediaeval. Both are shown in the illustration on p14, and both are modern.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2020 11:56

After Josh started his business in early 2017 David wanted to know about his book-keeping, and was impressed with what Josh showed him. It was one of the extremely rare occasions on which either of his parents has had a good word to say for Josh, so I noticed it.

Lowfield, Tuesday 14th March, 2017:
"David is worried if he is keeping proper financial records and is impressed to see he is."

This was after David had torn Josh off a strip for not being enough help round the farm. Afterwards he threw Josh out of the office so (having already not been allowed to work in either the kitchen or the dining-room) he had to try to work elsewhere, first in his bedroom with Ben playing loud music at him, and then in the Bridge Farm café, and finally in the Bull.

lottiegarbanzo · 29/01/2020 12:20

Ruth demonstrating her total lack of empathy and suspicion of anyone who isn't a cow farmer, in her response to Josh, does not bode well for her new (how the hell did that happen) role as wedding planner!

Stephanie though. Stephanies under 40 are rare beasts, along with their normally 40 and 50-something pals Amanda, Jackie, Debbie, Mel and Nigel. This one seems to be a first-time bride of 20 or 30-something. Unusual.

C8H10N4O2 · 29/01/2020 12:32

Brookfield had Lakey Hill, suitable only for sheep, as part of it

This may be what I'm remembering, I used to have a copy of The Book. 100 acres would be more than a small holding but unlikely to support more than one family even then. And "many years" rather than "many generations" also matches the picture in my head.

I think a lot of the tenancies in that era were stil small, single family farms with a requirement to spend some time on the owners lands as well. Or possibly that was in earlier times and I'm mixing up my eras.

I do remember even as a child the very Beeb moralistic telling of the Good Archers who saved their money and grew the farm and the Bad Grundys who didn't save and went on the path to failure. Even then it was excruciatingly black and white with a succession of rogues in one family and a succession of saints in the other.

C8H10N4O2 · 29/01/2020 12:35

does not bode well for her new (how the hell did that happen) role as wedding planner!

No but I don't understand why its her new job either - wasn't it David pushing to rent out the barn as a venue? Ruth seems to be the default person for anything David doesn't want to do in relation to home and farm.

Mind you I've never liked the negative portrayal of Ruth as a useless housekeeper/cook whilst St Jill bakes flapjacks 50 times a day. Ruth is no less a full time farmer than David, I never see him being portrayed as incompetent in the kitchen or nipping down to Borchester to do the shopping.

nettie434 · 29/01/2020 12:44

Mind you I've never liked the negative portrayal of Ruth as a useless housekeeper/cook whilst St Jill bakes flapjacks 50 times a day.

Me too. I can’t tell you how happy I was to find TASWAMA on DadDadDad’s guide to acronyms. I mutter it on an almost daily basis when listening.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 29/01/2020 12:45

The Good Farmer/Bad Farmer stuff has been in there since the very beginning, given TA's origins as lightly disguised Ministry of Agriculture propaganda during the post-war rebuilding of the economy. Walter Gabriel was the Bad Farmer at first, because he had a smallholding which he ran very badly. Dan Archer was of course the archetypal Good Farmer and from archive clips I've heard there were many fingerwagging conversations where he put Walter straight on his many failings and urged him to read the latest Ministry leaflet on warble fly.

A friend I made when our daughters were babies named one of her children Stephanie. She'd be in her mid 20s now. (Parents were UK nationals, no non-UK influences at play in this naming decision as far as I was aware.)

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AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2020 13:12

The Grundys don't seem to have existed until 1970 when Joe was first heard on air (being faced with a notice of eviction for non-payment of rent, according to Vanessa Whitburn or whoever ghosted her book for her); they'd never been mentioned as far as I know, and the Comic Rustic Who Had Lost His Farm Through Poor Husbandry was Walter Gabriel.

They didn't really come to prominence until William Smethurst needed them in the late seventies, and Eddie was brought back to the farm he had run away to escape, and married into one of the established families.

TheSparklyPussycat · 29/01/2020 14:35

Where had Eddie run to, do we know?

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2020 14:44

He had a job with a firm called Hollerton Plant Hire, but they sacked him for fiddling money. Before that I think he'd worked for a scrap metal firm in Gloucester, the same one where Alf ended up in court for receiving stolen copper wire (Alf got off that time, and was done for breaking and entering shortly afterwards: I think that may have been when Eddie went and found the job in Hollerton.)

TheSparklyPussycat · 29/01/2020 15:16

Do you remember when Clarrie's weight used to figure in the storylines? Seemed a bit mean even then.

Mind you, I once had to explain to my (Aspergers?) DF that it was not the done thing to make jokes with woman friends about their weight Shock

TheSparklyPussycat · 29/01/2020 15:17

friends and relatives...

lottiegarbanzo · 29/01/2020 16:14

Wow, an Archers before The Grundys. I have lived my whole life in a world with Grundys. I had no idea there was an alternative!

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 29/01/2020 19:37

Poor Clarrie, starving herself to fit into her wedding dress, and fainting....

theThreeofWeevils · 29/01/2020 20:17

Poor Clarrie, starving herself to fit into her wedding dress, and fainting
Stupid then and stupid now, then.